Knicks' remaining picks. What can they get?

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Re: Knicks' remaining picks. What can they get? 

Post#41 » by gswhoops » Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:41 pm

HornetJail wrote:#24,
#25,
#38,
future DET 1st (top 13 to top 9 protected in 2027, otherwise high 2nd),
future WAS 1st (top 10 prot in 2025, top 8 prot in 2026, otherwise high 2nds),
swap rights on of 2026/2028/2030 1sts,
2025 BRK 2nd (high),
several less valuable 2nds

There's a decent volume of picks, but Nothing particularly eye-popping in terms of talent, though the DET and WAS firsts at least have a chance to convey if they have a couple good offseasons and start to improve, possibly yielding late lotto picks when those teams are finally on the upswing. The later swap rights in 2028 and 2030 could have decent mystery box value.

Could New York stack even more talent on this already solid team?

Is Lauri Markkanen possibly in play?

Like you suggest this is a lot of "stuff" but not a lot of value relative to the number of picks being dealt. Two late firsts, two firsts that are unlikely to convey, and a bunch of swaps and second round picks.

I don't think a guy like Markkanen is in play. You're more looking at a Brandon Ingram or Dejounte Murray-level player at the high end (not necessarily those guys specifically), and more likely someone like Jarrett Allen or CJ McCollum. A fringe all-star or high-end role player who's being shopped for fit/contract reasons.

Then you get into the problem of matching salaries, which NY doesn't have many of without dealing core guys like DDV, Hart, or Robinson.
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Re: Knicks' remaining picks. What can they get? 

Post#42 » by R-DAWG » Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:50 pm

gswhoops wrote:
HornetJail wrote:#24,
#25,
#38,
future DET 1st (top 13 to top 9 protected in 2027, otherwise high 2nd),
future WAS 1st (top 10 prot in 2025, top 8 prot in 2026, otherwise high 2nds),
swap rights on of 2026/2028/2030 1sts,
2025 BRK 2nd (high),
several less valuable 2nds

There's a decent volume of picks, but Nothing particularly eye-popping in terms of talent, though the DET and WAS firsts at least have a chance to convey if they have a couple good offseasons and start to improve, possibly yielding late lotto picks when those teams are finally on the upswing. The later swap rights in 2028 and 2030 could have decent mystery box value.

Could New York stack even more talent on this already solid team?

Is Lauri Markkanen possibly in play?

Like you suggest this is a lot of "stuff" but not a lot of value relative to the number of picks being dealt. Two late firsts, two firsts that are unlikely to convey, and a bunch of swaps and second round picks.

I don't think a guy like Markkanen is in play. You're more looking at a Brandon Ingram or Dejounte Murray-level player at the high end (not necessarily those guys specifically), and more likely someone like Jarrett Allen or CJ McCollum. A fringe all-star or high-end role player who's being shopped for fit/contract reasons.

Then you get into the problem of matching salaries, which NY doesn't have many of without dealing core guys like DDV, Hart, or Robinson.


I think the Washington pick has a low probability to convey unless they hit a home run in the 2025 draft. It's top-10 protected next year and top-8 protected in 2026. Washington falling out of the top-8 in 2026 isn't impossible.

The Detroit pick has a much higher probability of conveying since Detroit is further along in their rebuild and the pick is top-11 protected in 2026 and top-9 protected in 2027. Much easier to see Detroit touching the play-in in one of those two seasons.

The stuff the Knicks have is low to medium upside. They can end up getting lucky and landing the 12th pick in 2026 or 2027, and having two picks this year offsets not having a pick next year. Frankly, this makes the first half of the trade much more palatable (although the back end still has disaster potential).

Maybe there is a way to do something with Washington where you kick the can down the road on the protections and make this pick something like a top-14 protected 2029 1st.
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Re: Knicks' remaining picks. What can they get? 

Post#43 » by Knickfan1982 » Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:53 pm

AingesBurner wrote:No, Lauri would require a Bridges type trade.


Get real. He's an expiring contract now.
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Re: Knicks' remaining picks. What can they get? 

Post#44 » by spree8 » Wed Jun 26, 2024 2:55 pm

Knicks aren’t trading Randle. His gravity combined with the shooting %’s with/without him for our top guys (Jalen, Donte, OG, Hart, Deuce) is undeniable. Adding Mikal now… there’s no way we trade him.

Those picks are likely to either be used for marginal improvement or just kept for cheap talent.
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Re: Knicks' remaining picks. What can they get? 

Post#45 » by Knickfan1982 » Wed Jun 26, 2024 3:01 pm

R-DAWG wrote:
drchaos wrote:Knicks should trade pick # 24 for DFS.


Can’t afford the salary nor do they need another wing

My dream scenario on draft night is a 3 way trade:

DET: pick #24, protected pick returned
BK: pick #5, 2026 NK swap
NY: 29 and 31 picks returned

Detroit gets control of their draft back
Brooklyn gets a guaranteed lotto pick
Knicks get downside protection


I like this a lot for us. We are probbaly going to swap one of our firsts this year for a future one to save money anyway. I like the idea of getting back some of those far away firsts. A current lotto pick would be good compensation for Brooklyn.
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Re: Knicks' remaining picks. What can they get? 

Post#46 » by R-DAWG » Wed Jun 26, 2024 3:07 pm

Knickfan1982 wrote:
R-DAWG wrote:
drchaos wrote:Knicks should trade pick # 24 for DFS.


Can’t afford the salary nor do they need another wing

My dream scenario on draft night is a 3 way trade:

DET: pick #24, protected pick returned
BK: pick #5, 2026 NK swap
NY: 29 and 31 picks returned

Detroit gets control of their draft back
Brooklyn gets a guaranteed lotto pick
Knicks get downside protection


I like this a lot for us. We are probbaly going to swap one of our firsts this year for a future one to save money anyway. I like the idea of getting back some of those far away firsts. A current lotto pick would be good compensation for Brooklyn.


This would be a home run for us, but the draft board will have to fall in a way that Detroit wants out and Brooklyn wants in. It has to be something like Stephon Castle falling to Detroit where he isn't a fit and the guys Detroit likes being off the board.

If we had control of our draft starting in 2028 the risk narrative on this trade would be significantly mitigated - because NY would still have the amo for a trade for a star and an off-ramp to rebuild if this doesn't work out.
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Re: Knicks' remaining picks. What can they get? 

Post#47 » by jbk1234 » Wed Jun 26, 2024 3:09 pm

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Kalamazoo317 wrote:
R-DAWG wrote:
Can’t afford the salary nor do they need another wing

My dream scenario on draft night is a 3 way trade:

DET: pick #24, protected pick returned
BK: pick #5, 2026 NK swap
NY: 29 and 31 picks returned

Detroit gets control of their draft back
Brooklyn gets a guaranteed lotto pick
Knicks get downside protection


That would be disgusting for Detroit to give up a top 5 pick for a pick that's not likely to be conveyed. I know we get more trade flexibility, but not sure we should be trading many of our own picks with how bad we are right now anyway.


I think that Detroit pick has a high probability of conveying in 2026 or 2027


Does it?
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Re: Knicks' remaining picks. What can they get? 

Post#48 » by R-DAWG » Wed Jun 26, 2024 3:14 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
R-DAWG wrote:
Kalamazoo317 wrote:
That would be disgusting for Detroit to give up a top 5 pick for a pick that's not likely to be conveyed. I know we get more trade flexibility, but not sure we should be trading many of our own picks with how bad we are right now anyway.


I think that Detroit pick has a high probability of conveying in 2026 or 2027


Does it?


Given the base of talent Detroit has and ownerships desire to not take for the next 3 years, I believe that it does
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Re: Knicks' remaining picks. What can they get? 

Post#49 » by AingesBurner » Wed Jun 26, 2024 3:45 pm

Knickfan1982 wrote:
AingesBurner wrote:No, Lauri would require a Bridges type trade.


Get real. He's an expiring contract now.


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Re: Knicks' remaining picks. What can they get? 

Post#50 » by JKiddy » Wed Jun 26, 2024 3:49 pm

HornetJail wrote:#24,
#25,
#38,
future DET 1st (top 13 to top 9 protected in 2027, otherwise high 2nd),
future WAS 1st (top 10 prot in 2025, top 8 prot in 2026, otherwise high 2nds),
swap rights on of 2026/2028/2030 1sts,
2025 BRK 2nd (high),
several less valuable 2nds

There's a decent volume of picks, but Nothing particularly eye-popping in terms of talent, though the DET and WAS firsts at least have a chance to convey if they have a couple good offseasons and start to improve, possibly yielding late lotto picks when those teams are finally on the upswing. The later swap rights in 2028 and 2030 could have decent mystery box value.

Could New York stack even more talent on this already solid team?

Is Lauri Markkanen possibly in play?


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Re: Knicks' remaining picks. What can they get? 

Post#51 » by RookieJazz » Wed Jun 26, 2024 5:00 pm

Mitchel Robinson, #24, Det 1st, Was 1st for Kessler and Cap Space?
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Re: Knicks' remaining picks. What can they get? 

Post#52 » by Kalamazoo317 » Wed Jun 26, 2024 5:05 pm

R-DAWG wrote:The Detroit pick has a much higher probability of conveying since Detroit is further along in their rebuild and the pick is top-11 protected in 2026 and top-9 protected in 2027. Much easier to see Detroit touching the play-in in one of those two seasons.


Ah, OK, I understand where you're getting confused. Yeah, no, Detroit just won 14 games, got the 5th overall pick in a bad draft, replaced their whole front office, and are looking for a new coach. We're basically nowhere in our rebuild so far.
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Re: Knicks' remaining picks. What can they get? 

Post#53 » by Kalamazoo317 » Wed Jun 26, 2024 5:08 pm

RookieJazz wrote:Mitchel Robinson, #24, Det 1st, Was 1st for Kessler and Cap Space?


Heh, that right there shows how likely folks think those picks are to convey ...
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Re: Knicks' remaining picks. What can they get? 

Post#54 » by RookieJazz » Wed Jun 26, 2024 5:10 pm

Kalamazoo317 wrote:
RookieJazz wrote:Mitchel Robinson, #24, Det 1st, Was 1st for Kessler and Cap Space?


Heh, that right there shows how likely folks think those picks are to convey ...


I bet one of them will convey, so It is Kessler + Cap Space for 2 1st.
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Re: Knicks' remaining picks. What can they get? 

Post#55 » by Knickfan1982 » Wed Jun 26, 2024 6:32 pm

Astaluego wrote:Maxi/Gafford/Powell for Randle..?


I would get replace Maxi and Powell with Washington.
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