Josh Green offers, trades

[babyjax13]

But Grant is indeed overpaid and that contract is long. Dont think Dallas should sacrifice one of their last remaining firsts for him. If we losing a first, it should be for a POA defender of quick guards who can ideally spread the floor

He is not overpaid. He is making 29 million, can reliably score 20ppg at league average efficiency, is not a sieve on defense, and is multipositional. He's 100 percent worth his contract and is an extremely valuable archetype. He offers so much of what Dallas is missing and he's easily worth adding some assets for rather than getting saddled with Wiggins. The contract being long is a huge value add given that in 25-26 and 26-27 the cap will rise 10 percent each year.

1. Even money, I think I’d prefer Wiggins. I don’t believe he’s lazy I think he wasn’t focused and didn’t train last offseason because of the family issue he was experiencing at the end of 2022-23. I think you could clearly see him rebounding in the back half of last season.

2. I don’t think Grant is worth a 1st and a swap. I would do it for just a 1st.

3. Based on just about all rumors Josh Green is pretty clearly more valuable to NBA GMs then he is considered on this website, Dallas should not take any trade where he’s not being valued as slightly positive.

4. Jerami Grant is a better defender than many fans believe.

5. Daoneandonly never likes trades that have Dallas sending out a 1st, (hyperbole activated so I don’t get in trouble) im not sure he’d agree to trade out 2025 1st and 2031 1st for Jokic or Giannis (hyperbole deactivated).

6. I do think Grant is slightly overpaid compared to his contemporaries and I wouldn’t describe that contract as good. Positive sure but not good.

Considering that Golden State just forced Wiggins not to play for team Canada, I doubt that they share the same opinion as you about him. Everything here is pretty reasonable, just thought that was relevant since it just happened.

[BeiBeau]

He is not overpaid. He is making 29 million, can reliably score 20ppg at league average efficiency, is not a sieve on defense, and is multipositional. He's 100 percent worth his contract and is an extremely valuable archetype. He offers so much of what Dallas is missing and he's easily worth adding some assets for rather than getting saddled with Wiggins. The contract being long is a huge value add given that in 25-26 and 26-27 the cap will rise 10 percent each year.

1. Even money, I think I’d prefer Wiggins. I don’t believe he’s lazy I think he wasn’t focused and didn’t train last offseason because of the family issue he was experiencing at the end of 2022-23. I think you could clearly see him rebounding in the back half of last season.

2. I don’t think Grant is worth a 1st and a swap. I would do it for just a 1st.

3. Based on just about all rumors Josh Green is pretty clearly more valuable to NBA GMs then he is considered on this website, Dallas should not take any trade where he’s not being valued as slightly positive.

4. Jerami Grant is a better defender than many fans believe.

5. Daoneandonly never likes trades that have Dallas sending out a 1st, (hyperbole activated so I don’t get in trouble) im not sure he’d agree to trade out 2025 1st and 2031 1st for Jokic or Giannis (hyperbole deactivated).

6. I do think Grant is slightly overpaid compared to his contemporaries and I wouldn’t describe that contract as good. Positive sure but not good.

Considering that Golden State just forced Wiggins not to play for team Canada, I doubt that they share the same opinion as you about him. Everything here is pretty reasonable, just thought that was relevant since it just happened.

I don’t disagree. I’d be happy if Golden State didn’t share my evaluation and would trade Wiggins for Green and Kleber straight up. I definitely don’t have Grant as a 1st round pick better then Wiggins.

[daoneandonly]

He is not overpaid. He is making 29 million, can reliably score 20ppg at league average efficiency, is not a sieve on defense, and is multipositional. He's 100 percent worth his contract and is an extremely valuable archetype. He offers so much of what Dallas is missing and he's easily worth adding some assets for rather than getting saddled with Wiggins. The contract being long is a huge value add given that in 25-26 and 26-27 the cap will rise 10 percent each year.

Considering that Golden State just forced Wiggins not to play for team Canada, I doubt that they share the same opinion as you about him. Everything here is pretty reasonable, just thought that was relevant since it just happened.

Respectfully disagree Jax. Grant is a guy that went to a team (at the time) that wanted to contend in portland and they became worse. He's a fine player, but he's older and seems to have losta step (or willingness) defensively. I think he's content with putting up stats and earning a check regardless of winning. Thats fine as long as he tries hard, which he does, but tis not always conducive to winning, so rather not spend a first on that. Especially in a draft thats projected to be great

If Grant didnt cost a first sure, consider it, just like Wiggins. But neither guy is worth a pick at this juncture

[JRoy]

Not sending Grant to DAL for trash and SRP.

[Kalamazoo317]

All of our seconds for John Green. Not some of our seconds. Not a lot of seconds. *All* of our seconds.

[BeiBeau]

All of our seconds for John Green. Not some of our seconds. Not a lot of seconds. *All* of our seconds.

Dallas sends Green to Detroit Dallas sends cash to Memphis
Dallas gets Luke Kennard, 2nds from Detroit

Memphis gets cash
Sends Kennard

Detroit gets Green
Sends 2nds

Also John Green the kids author?

[Walmart]

All of our seconds for John Green. Not some of our seconds. Not a lot of seconds. *All* of our seconds.

Dallas sends Green to Detroit Dallas sends cash to Memphis
Dallas gets Luke Kennard, 2nds from Detroit

Memphis gets cash
Sends Kennard

Detroit gets Green
Sends 2nds

Also John Green the kids author?

Nah that trade is essentially a ham sandwich and some seconds for Josh Green

[daoneandonly]

Is there any type of Aussie connection between Dyson Daniel's and Josh Green? One where Dallas can turn Green and Maxi into DeAndre Hunter? Or is that complete nonsense and fantasy on my end?

[Kalamazoo317]

All of our seconds for John Green. Not some of our seconds. Not a lot of seconds. *All* of our seconds.

Dallas sends Green to Detroit Dallas sends cash to Memphis
Dallas gets Luke Kennard, 2nds from Detroit

Memphis gets cash
Sends Kennard

Detroit gets Green
Sends 2nds

Also John Green the kids author?

Nah that trade is essentially a ham sandwich and some seconds for Josh Green

How about no ham sandwich and *all* the seconds?

[giannis and 1]

Portland doesn't need to be saved from a good contract, especially with the rising cap.

But Grant is indeed overpaid and that contract is long. Dont think Dallas should sacrifice one of their last remaining firsts for him. If we losing a first, it should be for a POA defender of quick guards who can ideally spread the floor

He is not overpaid. He is making 29 million, can reliably score 20ppg at league average efficiency, is not a sieve on defense, and is multipositional. He's 100 percent worth his contract and is an extremely valuable archetype. He offers so much of what Dallas is missing and he's easily worth adding some assets for rather than getting saddled with Wiggins. The contract being long is a huge value add given that in 25-26 and 26-27 the cap will rise 10 percent each year.

Grant is such an unbelievable fit on Dallas. Perfect third option.

[R-DAWG]

Not sending Grant to DAL for trash and SRP.

I don't think Josh Green is trash.

If Dallas offered Kleber/Green for Grant, which I believe works under the trade rules but hard caps Dallas at the 1st apron, Dallas would be at $166,218,228 for 12 players. The full non taxpayer MLE - $12,860,000 - would take them above the apron.

HOWEVER

If Portland took back Powell is the deal Dallas could use the MLE on Derrick Jones Jr, and round out the roster with two $1.2mm slots and come in at $177,478,228 for 14 players - $1.175 below the 1st apron. That's enough room to decline Lawson's option and use that slot for a vetern minimum

Now, that might be worth Dallas 2025 1st rd pick. Th

Dallas is left with:
Luka/Kyrie/DJJ/Grant/Livley
Hardy/Grimes/Washington/Prosper/Gafford
Exum
Vet MIN
2 rookie MIN

Given Kyrie's age, this feels worth it to me. And from Portland's standpoint - an affordable role player and 1st rd pick is about as good as you can expect for Grant.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

So I don't like this player as much as most, but Vanderbilt? Lakers could use a perimeter defender more than another PF with AD/LEbron/Rui. Feels like a downgrade for Dallas just for fit which I don't like but feels like a possibility?

Vanderbilt is lakers perimeter defender. Not sure they view him as a PF. Was 6’7 and 192 pounds at the combine. Him and josh green close in weight. He is a stick lol

Physically he a SG. Offensive he can only dunk if he catches the ball.

[JRoy]

Not sending Grant to DAL for trash and SRP.

I don't think Josh Green is trash.

If Dallas offered Kleber/Green for Grant, which I believe works under the trade rules but hard caps Dallas at the 1st apron, Dallas would be at $166,218,228 for 12 players. The full non taxpayer MLE - $12,860,000 - would take them above the apron.

HOWEVER

If Portland took back Powell is the deal Dallas could use the MLE on Derrick Jones Jr, and round out the roster with two $1.2mm slots and come in at $177,478,228 for 14 players - $1.175 below the 1st apron. That's enough room to decline Lawson's option and use that slot for a vetern minimum

Now, that might be worth Dallas 2025 1st rd pick. Th

Dallas is left with:
Luka/Kyrie/DJJ/Grant/Livley
Hardy/Grimes/Washington/Prosper/Gafford
Exum
Vet MIN
2 rookie MIN

Given Kyrie's age, this feels worth it to me. And from Portland's standpoint - an affordable role player and 1st rd pick is about as good as you can expect for Grant.

…Or POR could keep Grant and move Simons who can’t play with either younger guard.