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Residual-Heat wrote:I dont think BI has more value than Siakam did when he was traded. I think this package is better than what Toronto got for Siakam, so I think this is a slight overpay, but not too bad.
Magicman125 wrote:Idk if I trust Franz or Ingram to have the lateral quickness to defend 2s. I just don't think the fit is very good for ORL.
Skin wrote:Magicman125 wrote:Idk if I trust Franz or Ingram to have the lateral quickness to defend 2s. I just don't think the fit is very good for ORL.
This is a mistake that a lot of people think. Luka Doncic can't defend either. That doesn't make him a bad fit for the Mavs. Ingram's length is at least enough to disrupt perimeter shooting which is what matters more for his position.
The place that defense really matters most when dealing with quick guards is in the paint. That's why having an anchor on D is critical
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Texas Chuck wrote:Skin wrote:Magicman125 wrote:Idk if I trust Franz or Ingram to have the lateral quickness to defend 2s. I just don't think the fit is very good for ORL.
This is a mistake that a lot of people think. Luka Doncic can't defend either. That doesn't make him a bad fit for the Mavs. Ingram's length is at least enough to disrupt perimeter shooting which is what matters more for his position.
The place that defense really matters most when dealing with quick guards is in the paint. That's why having an anchor on D is critical
Not sure I'd use an MVP level player as an argument for defense doesn't matter lol. Luka brings so much more offensively to the table than BI or Wagner, just tiers and tiers above them as offensive players that comp doesn't really make much sense to me.
You woudn't want a center that defends like Jokic ideally either, but oh he's the best offensive player in the world so it works out fine.
Now setting that stuff aside, I think Moseley and co have a great defensive system and have done a great job getting the entire team to buy in to defensive effort. So I think they can still have a very good defense with an individual who is not a great individual defender. I wouldn't avoid adding the offensive talent they clearly need being overly afraid the defense is going to collapse.
You cited Dallas and playing Luka and Kyrie, they were one of the best defenses in the league from the trade deadline on and defended really well in the playoffs, ultimately losing to the Celtics because of their offense not their defense. And I feel better about Orlando's defensive foundation than Dallas.
Whole Truth wrote:Residual-Heat wrote:I dont think BI has more value than Siakam did when he was traded. I think this package is better than what Toronto got for Siakam, so I think this is a slight overpay, but not too bad.
Pascal was traded at the deadline as a 3 month rental. BI wants to be in NO's.
NO's don't want to give BI a 50m max, especially with Murphy ready to start & cheaply replace. if they can meet in the middle it wouldn't shock me to see BI in NO's next year.
Texas Chuck wrote:Skin wrote:Magicman125 wrote:Idk if I trust Franz or Ingram to have the lateral quickness to defend 2s. I just don't think the fit is very good for ORL.
This is a mistake that a lot of people think. Luka Doncic can't defend either. That doesn't make him a bad fit for the Mavs. Ingram's length is at least enough to disrupt perimeter shooting which is what matters more for his position.
The place that defense really matters most when dealing with quick guards is in the paint. That's why having an anchor on D is critical
Not sure I'd use an MVP level player as an argument for defense doesn't matter lol. Luka brings so much more offensively to the table than BI or Wagner, just tiers and tiers above them as offensive players that comp doesn't really make much sense to me.
You woudn't want a center that defends like Jokic ideally either, but oh he's the best offensive player in the world so it works out fine.
Now setting that stuff aside, I think Moseley and co have a great defensive system and have done a great job getting the entire team to buy in to defensive effort. So I think they can still have a very good defense with an individual who is not a great individual defender. I wouldn't avoid adding the offensive talent they clearly need being overly afraid the defense is going to collapse.
You cited Dallas and playing Luka and Kyrie, they were one of the best defenses in the league from the trade deadline on and defended really well in the playoffs, ultimately losing to the Celtics because of their offense not their defense. And I feel better about Orlando's defensive foundation than Dallas.
Ducklett wrote:
I would be willing to let Luka onto the Magic and sacrifice a bit of defense. That is so nice of you. I always tell people when they ask that Texas Chuck is going places.
BI and Franz are no Luka. Franz however is very good on the defensive side and is still on his first contract. All these players that seemingly get mentioned as targets for the Magic to trade for like BI and CJ and Simons are fine players, but the asking price is always seemingly 3 1sts and two starters and that is too much for these guys talents. I would love the Magic sign BI if he was a free agent, but paying him ridiculous money and paying 2 starters and 1sts is just a waste of assets.
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Texas Chuck wrote:Ducklett wrote:
I would be willing to let Luka onto the Magic and sacrifice a bit of defense. That is so nice of you. I always tell people when they ask that Texas Chuck is going places.
BI and Franz are no Luka. Franz however is very good on the defensive side and is still on his first contract. All these players that seemingly get mentioned as targets for the Magic to trade for like BI and CJ and Simons are fine players, but the asking price is always seemingly 3 1sts and two starters and that is too much for these guys talents. I would love the Magic sign BI if he was a free agent, but paying him ridiculous money and paying 2 starters and 1sts is just a waste of assets.
Luka does love Moseley.....
Just so I'm clear I wasn't advocating for this specific trade or even this specific player. I just believe Orlando needs to add an offensive player better than Wagner and that he doesn't have to also be an elite defender. In other words they don't have to necessarily add a star. But I really believe in their defensive foundation and was just trying to illustrate that a team like Dallas with zero elite defenders managed to be really good defensively even with a backcourt of guys with really poor defensive reputations and Luka in particular a guy who can be targeted in space.
Ducklett wrote: I agree with you as far as the guy the Magic add doesn't have to be perfect fit on both sides of the ball, but I would hope the Magic won't overpay for the chance to overpay.
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