MIA/UTA/PHX/WAS Durant to MIA, Lauri to PHX

[nykballa2k4]

Just like to set the expectations before people burden themselves with the click.

Suns trade Durant, Nurkic (technically two separate transactions on their end)
receive Poole, Lauri, Bagley, Bryant, Loften Jr
Rationale: Assuming Durant is not all-in with the current team, the salaries are just too bulky and the roster needs filling. Lauri and Booker are close enough in age to be a good tandem for a while, taking on the unhappy Poole is a cost of doing business here. Bagley and Bryant with Bol Bol can comprise the C rotation. Taking on slightly less salary obviously help things and on top of that Bagley is expiring so Lauri should be able to extend.

Jazz trade Lauri, Collins, Yurtseven, and Loften for Herro, Kuzma, Jaquez FRP either 2029 or 2030 from MIA
Rationale: Lauri is obviously going to need to be paid next year. Jazz are not really in their contention clock so taking a step back is to their advantage. Kuzma offers a lesser but similar skill set and next year will be like 15M cheaper per year for 2 years following this. Herro is pretty much paid what that role/position is going for on the free market, so he can fill a role while Jazz can shop Clarkson/Sexton. Jaquez is a young piece who seems to fit how the Jazz play as well.

Wizards trade poole, Kuzma Bagley and receive John Collins, Duncan Robinson, Nikola Jovic, and Jusuf Nurkic
2 years and the cap is cleared.
Sarr/Nurk
Collins/Jovic
Coulibaly/George
Kispert/Robinson/Carrington
Jones/Shamet/Butler

Overall a cleaner roster IMO and of course, they can continue wheeling and dealing to become more of a developmental roster.

Lastly Miami
Heat trade Robinson, Herro, Jaquez, Jovic, Bryant, and FRP 29/30 (depends on earlier pick conveyance)
for Durant, Yurtseven

The goal here is to put Durant between Butler and Bam
Heat took another stellar kid in this draft who should be able to contribute at least in a bench role. Heat would have to retain some of their FA's, but I don't think Love, Martin, Highsmith will be hard to convince to stay. Also did not have to include Rozier in the deal so Heat retain a weapon at point guard.
I feel among the top critiques would be "why not cut out PHX and just get Lauri" but I feel taking on Poole's contract is essential to all parties having their needs met.

[Fo-Real]

Phoenix says hell no, sorry. We already have one of the worst contracts in the league in Beal. You want us to have the top two worst by adding Pool too!!!! If this was the old days, we would have to have a duel!!! One of us would have to GO MAN!!

[AingesBurner]

Easy no from Utah. We can get a lot more. Miami stealing value because they have no assets to complete trade.

[Crives]

My eyes hurt.

[Flash4thewin]

This is such a trash trade, it's almost insulting to read. Every team rejects this except Miami, that should tell you all you need to know. This is the type of trade proposal that if it is done in real life gets you a bitch slap to the face and security dragging you out of the building. This is just so bad it's impressive in a way.

[nykballa2k4]

This is such a trash trade, it's almost insulting to read. Every team rejects this except Miami, that should tell you all you need to know. This is the type of trade proposal that if it is done in real life gets you a bitch slap to the face and security dragging you out of the building. This is just so bad it's impressive in a way.

Okay, so my valuation of KD and Lauri is pretty off then.

As a Heat fan, if you took the Poole-tax instead of PHx (sending them Yurtseven and Rozier) Is that closer to fair value?

[brackdan70]

I think this is just to big and waters down value. The big piece is Durrant and second piece is Lauri.
I think Miami is not giving enough real value, and yet I don’t like that team to be very competitive as they give up valuable role players. Utah gets hosed in this scenario.
I think it’s just too big

[HotelVitale]

This is such a trash trade, it's almost insulting to read. Every team rejects this except Miami, that should tell you all you need to know. This is the type of trade proposal that if it is done in real life gets you a bitch slap to the face and security dragging you out of the building. This is just so bad it's impressive in a way.

Okay, so my valuation of KD and Lauri is pretty off then.

As a Heat fan, if you took the Poole-tax instead of PHx (sending them Yurtseven and Rozier) Is that closer to fair value?

I don’t think it’s that, I’m think it’s that you have MIA getting KD while giving up nothing that’s all that positive. Jacquez, sure, teams would like him as a 5th starter type, but then it’s all just a platter of seconds—Herro isn’t very in demand, Jovic is whatever, one first seems insulting etc.

Even taking on Poole, that’s subtracting some negativity from a team but not providing a big asset to them. It’s just Miami getting the big prize while offering up the stuff they don’t think twice to give up.

That leaves UTA for some reason trading for multiple worse guys who aren’t cheap (instead of one guy in Lauri who will maintain great value) when they’re trying to rebuild. And not really getting any great rebuilding assets, hence not getting them what they would want if trading Lauri.

[mg]

Ainge would hang up the phone.

Give Utah a Jaquez type prospect + 3-4 FRP's where at least one is a premium potential lottery pick. I don't think either MIA or PHX has the assets that Utah would want.

[BBallFreak]

This is really bad for Utah. It's directionally challenged. Why are they trading Lauri for Kuzma and Herro? If they're trading Lauri, they need to be getting every prospect and every pick they can. They don't need to be dealing him for players locked up who don't always contribute to winning.

For Phoenix, I would think Lauri would be a great basis for a Durant trade, but the other pieces are just...yech. Jordan Poole? Why are they getting stuck with one of the worst deals in the league?

I don't hate this for the Wizards, but it's because they get a guy worth keeping in Jovic and a bunch of moveable pieces. I know Wizards fans believe Kuzma will return a haul, but to me he's like Herro - just not that valuable.

Finally, Miami has to do this. It's great for them. But it's not happening.

[nykballa2k4]

This is such a trash trade, it's almost insulting to read. Every team rejects this except Miami, that should tell you all you need to know. This is the type of trade proposal that if it is done in real life gets you a bitch slap to the face and security dragging you out of the building. This is just so bad it's impressive in a way.

Okay, so my valuation of KD and Lauri is pretty off then.

As a Heat fan, if you took the Poole-tax instead of PHx (sending them Yurtseven and Rozier) Is that closer to fair value?

I don’t think it’s that, I’m think it’s that you have MIA getting KD while giving up nothing that’s all that positive. Jacquez, sure, teams would like him as a 5th starter type, but then it’s all just a platter of seconds—Herro isn’t very in demand, Jovic is whatever, one first seems insulting etc.

Even taking on Poole, that’s subtracting some negativity from a team but not providing a big asset to them. It’s just Miami getting the big prize while offering up the stuff they don’t think twice to give up.

That leaves UTA for some reason trading for multiple worse guys who aren’t cheap (instead of one guy in Lauri who will maintain great value) when they’re trying to rebuild. And not really getting any great rebuilding assets, hence not getting them what they would want if trading Lauri.

I don't think Lauri will maintain "great" value next year when he is making max/near max but points well taken.

[Cappy_Smurf]

Utah cuts themselves out of the deal and expresses their condolences to the other teams being left to suffer.

[giberish]

I do think that Utah has a good asset combo to send to Phoenix in a KD trade. Something where Phoenix sends out KD and gets Sexton, Lauri and Kessler (I'm pretty sure the 3 combined make less than KD) would IMO help the Suns.

Of course Utah wouldn't make sense for KD to go to (especially sending that out) so you'd need a 3rd team giving enough rebuilding assets to Utah for the deal to make sense. Miami doesn't have enough rebuilding assets to make a deal work.

[penbeast0]

This is such a trash trade, it's almost insulting to read. Every team rejects this except Miami, that should tell you all you need to know. This is the type of trade proposal that if it is done in real life gets you a bitch slap to the face and security dragging you out of the building. This is just so bad it's impressive in a way.

I might do this as Washington. Getting rid of Poole is such a dream and all it costs is getting rid of Kuzma and taking on shorter term deals and a couple of players who might actually be able to play? Not saying it works for Phoenix or Utah but for Washington, no headcases and clearing the cap faster, sure.

I like resigning Tyus Jones on a descending fair value contract too, but hasn't been much talk about interest so he may not be there to play the point.

Collins/Nurk/Holmes
Jovic/Sarr (while he learns the ropes)
Coulibaly/Robinson/George
Kispert/Carrington/Shamet
Butler