Woj: Detroit hires Bickerstaff

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Re: Woj: Detroit hires Bickerstaff 

Post#21 » by MotownMadness » Sun Jun 30, 2024 8:26 pm

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He had the good fortune of following Beilein so he was well received on the Cavs. That said, it's going to depend on the player. If a player is resistant to coaching, or decides to play contract ball, that player will find their role diminished.


Most of our guys are high character and want to be coached, in fact I’ve never seen anything from any of them showing they don’t. Monty definitely pissed off a couple guys Cade included which was visible at times and he completely screwed Ivey around which kindve seemed as though Ivey had no idea why he was in the dog house. As long as he’s a communicator and the guys know what he expects and what he doesn’t want, I think his hiring can work from what you’ve told me


Question, what went wrong with Monty from your perspective? Was it just the communication or did the players also have a big role in it? How would you describe Monty as a coach?

I didn't really follow the drama between Monty and the team but I thought I remember hearing that he was also trying to instill a strong defensive identity in the team. I thought that was part of the reason that Ivey was moved to the bench which created some friction. The way JB is being described sounds similar to Monty in ways.

I think he flat out just didn't care and it really showed

He never wanted to come here to begin with
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Re: Woj: Detroit hires Bickerstaff 

Post#22 » by vege » Sun Jun 30, 2024 9:16 pm

jbk1234 wrote:The best thing about JB is that he'll insist guys play hard on defense. If it's up to him, he'll make guys earn minutes. He's big on execution. If you want young players to develop good habits, he's a good coach.

I also think he improved as a coach over his tenure with the Cavs. He still has to work on balancing offense/defense with his rotations. He's reactive rather than proactive when it comes to matchup issues, and he can be rather stubborn on top of it. But that's all next level stuff for when the Pistons get to the playoffs.


That's exactly what we need. Cade and Duren became lazy on defense during the season, and Ivey is 100% unplayable. Ivey should be traded because if the coach really gives a **** about defense, he will not see the court.
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Re: Woj: Detroit hires Bickerstaff 

Post#23 » by vege » Sun Jun 30, 2024 9:20 pm

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jbk1234 wrote:
He had the good fortune of following Beilein so he was well received on the Cavs. That said, it's going to depend on the player. If a player is resistant to coaching, or decides to play contract ball, that player will find their role diminished.


Most of our guys are high character and want to be coached, in fact I’ve never seen anything from any of them showing they don’t. Monty definitely pissed off a couple guys Cade included which was visible at times and he completely screwed Ivey around which kindve seemed as though Ivey had no idea why he was in the dog house. As long as he’s a communicator and the guys know what he expects and what he doesn’t want, I think his hiring can work from what you’ve told me


Question, what went wrong with Monty from your perspective? Was it just the communication or did the players also have a big role in it? How would you describe Monty as a coach?

I didn't really follow the drama between Monty and the team but I thought I remember hearing that he was also trying to instill a strong defensive identity in the team. I thought that was part of the reason that Ivey was moved to the bench which created some friction. The way JB is being described sounds similar to Monty in ways.


Monty benched Ivey because of his poor defense. The team rebelled, the FO stepped in and forced Monty to start him, then Monty quit. The players and the FO/Owner are the issue. Monty should've done better tho, he should be ashamed for what he did in Detroit.
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Re: Woj: Detroit hires Bickerstaff 

Post#24 » by A_dub06 » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:19 am

JayTWill wrote:
A_dub06 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
He had the good fortune of following Beilein so he was well received on the Cavs. That said, it's going to depend on the player. If a player is resistant to coaching, or decides to play contract ball, that player will find their role diminished.


Most of our guys are high character and want to be coached, in fact I’ve never seen anything from any of them showing they don’t. Monty definitely pissed off a couple guys Cade included which was visible at times and he completely screwed Ivey around which kindve seemed as though Ivey had no idea why he was in the dog house. As long as he’s a communicator and the guys know what he expects and what he doesn’t want, I think his hiring can work from what you’ve told me


Question, what went wrong with Monty from your perspective? Was it just the communication or did the players also have a big role in it? How would you describe Monty as a coach?

I didn't really follow the drama between Monty and the team but I thought I remember hearing that he was also trying to instill a strong defensive identity in the team. I thought that was part of the reason that Ivey was moved to the bench which created some friction. The way JB is being described sounds similar to Monty in ways.


From everything I saw/heard Monty was more like a confused dictator that was always half checked out. He was a terrible communicator, didn’t lead the team in any way shape or form, no player had a defined role on the team including Cade, players were pegged into positions they shouldn’t have been, players weren’t sure what Monty wanted from them. The list goes on really, there was so much he did that confused even the most casual of fans. Like full hockey style bench lineups, and the deficit would blow out to 20 and starters couldn’t recover.

Monty had a Ivey in the dog house to start and play Killian Hayes big minutes for half the season until the owner and other layers of management had to hold an intervention to get Monty to see he should be playing Ivey. Killian was going to be waived by weaver prior to the Monty signing but Monty said he wanted to try develop Killian.

Monty signed with Detroit for the money, can’t really blame him for that but he wasn’t shy about it either so just gave off a vibe he couldn’t care less and at times looked like he was trying to get fired.
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Re: Woj: Detroit hires Bickerstaff 

Post#25 » by Presser » Mon Jul 1, 2024 3:51 am

Terrible game manager, but is good at developing young talent so pistons are a good fit for now

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