Cleveland offseason plan w/ Atlanta

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Cleveland offseason plan w/ Atlanta 

Post#1 » by JJ_PR » Thu Jul 4, 2024 2:16 am

Cleveland gets: De'Andre Hunter
Atlanta gets: Max Strus, Georges Niang, 2030 unprotected pick swap and 2031 unprotected first

Why?
Cleveland adds a much-needed wing.
Atlanta gets some future assets.

Sign Spencer Windiddie
Re-sign Damian Jones

PG: Darius Garland / Spencer Dinwiddie / Craig Porter Jr.
SG: Donovan Mitchell / Jaylon Tyson / Sam Merrill
SF: De'Andre Hunter / Caris LeVert / Emoni Bates
PF: Evan Mobley / Dean Wade / Luke Travers
C: Jarrett Allen / Damian Jones
Coach: Kenny Atkinson
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Re: Cleveland offseason plan w/ Atlanta 

Post#2 » by jbk1234 » Thu Jul 4, 2024 2:26 am

Dude...

Setting aside how bad of an idea it is for the Cavs to trade unprotected picks that far out, how exactly, did you arrive at the conclusion that Hunter is worth that? I'm genuinely curious.
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Re: Cleveland offseason plan w/ Atlanta 

Post#3 » by JJ_PR » Thu Jul 4, 2024 2:29 am

jbk1234 wrote:Dude...

Setting aside how bad of an idea it is for the Cavs to trade unprotected picks that far out, how exactly, did you arrive at the conclusion that Hunter is worth that? I'm genuinely curious.


When I come up with trade ideas, I try to be reasonable for both sides. I think Hunter is a player that fits the roster, is still young and on a reasonable contract.
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Re: Cleveland offseason plan w/ Atlanta 

Post#4 » by jbk1234 » Thu Jul 4, 2024 2:43 am

JJ_PR wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:Dude...

Setting aside how bad of an idea it is for the Cavs to trade unprotected picks that far out, how exactly, did you arrive at the conclusion that Hunter is worth that? I'm genuinely curious.


When I come up with trade ideas, I try to be reasonable for both sides. I think Hunter is a player that fits the roster, is still young and on a reasonable contract.


That criteria could probably apply to 100-150 players in the NBA. It's not nearly enough to justify surrendering that type of draft capital. Here's a link to Hunter's page on a good resource. Pay attention the number of games he misses and his career averages. Go the Strus page and contrast them.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/huntede01.html
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Re: Cleveland offseason plan w/ Atlanta 

Post#5 » by BlazersBroncos » Thu Jul 4, 2024 2:47 am

I think Max and Hunter are about the same value wise. Those picks are wild to me.
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Re: Cleveland offseason plan w/ Atlanta 

Post#6 » by JJ_PR » Thu Jul 4, 2024 2:48 am

jbk1234 wrote:
JJ_PR wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:Dude...

Setting aside how bad of an idea it is for the Cavs to trade unprotected picks that far out, how exactly, did you arrive at the conclusion that Hunter is worth that? I'm genuinely curious.


When I come up with trade ideas, I try to be reasonable for both sides. I think Hunter is a player that fits the roster, is still young and on a reasonable contract.


That criteria could probably apply to 100-150 players in the NBA. It's not nearly enough to justify surrendering that type of draft capital. Here's a link to Hunter's page on a good resource. Pay attention the number of games he misses and his career averages. Go the Strus page and contrast them.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/huntede01.html


I'm aware that he's injury prone. Maybe this isn't the right deal then.
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Re: Cleveland offseason plan w/ Atlanta 

Post#7 » by wegotthabeet » Thu Jul 4, 2024 2:57 am

It’s a good question, bad trade proposal.

I guess they need Mitchell on an extension before they can do anything.
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Re: Cleveland offseason plan w/ Atlanta 

Post#8 » by mcfly1204 » Thu Jul 4, 2024 3:12 am

I don't really get it for Atlanta either. Sure, the value is in their favor, but Trae will be on the wrong side of 30 when those picks come up.
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Re: Cleveland offseason plan w/ Atlanta 

Post#9 » by toooskies » Thu Jul 4, 2024 11:37 am

I would rather have Strus and Okoro than Hunter and Dinwiddie and it's not particularly close.
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Re: Cleveland offseason plan w/ Atlanta 

Post#10 » by dms269 » Thu Jul 4, 2024 11:39 am

mcfly1204 wrote:I don't really get it for Atlanta either. Sure, the value is in their favor, but Trae will be on the wrong side of 30 when those picks come up.

I highly doubt Atlanta would be keeping the picks if that was to happen.
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Re: Cleveland offseason plan w/ Atlanta 

Post#11 » by Mavrelous » Thu Jul 4, 2024 12:40 pm

It's close w/o the picks, the idea of Hunter is amazing, the reality of Strus is better, Niang bad contract isn't a reason to do the swap IMO.
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Re: Cleveland offseason plan w/ Atlanta 

Post#12 » by bgrep14 » Thu Jul 4, 2024 1:28 pm

I wouldn’t do this without the picks
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Re: Cleveland offseason plan w/ Atlanta 

Post#13 » by CP War Hawks » Thu Jul 4, 2024 2:43 pm

Hunter is probably the most natural trade piece for the Cavs. He's actually much better off the bench vs starting.
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Re: Cleveland offseason plan w/ Atlanta 

Post#14 » by brackdan70 » Thu Jul 4, 2024 2:54 pm

JJ_PR wrote:Cleveland gets: De'Andre Hunter
Atlanta gets: Max Strus, Georges Niang, 2030 unprotected pick swap and 2031 unprotected first

Why?
Cleveland adds a much-needed wing.
Atlanta gets some future assets.

Sign Spencer Windiddie
Re-sign Damian Jones

PG: Darius Garland / Spencer Dinwiddie / Craig Porter Jr.
SG: Donovan Mitchell / Jaylon Tyson / Sam Merrill
SF: De'Andre Hunter / Caris LeVert / Emoni Bates
PF: Evan Mobley / Dean Wade / Luke Travers
C: Jarrett Allen / Damian Jones
Coach: Kenny Atkinson

Wait? You have to walk me through how Hunter has this much value.
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Re: Cleveland offseason plan w/ Atlanta 

Post#15 » by brackdan70 » Thu Jul 4, 2024 2:56 pm

wegotthabeet wrote:It’s a good question, bad trade proposal.

I guess they need Mitchell on an extension before they can do anything.

He signed a three year max extension right.
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Re: Cleveland offseason plan w/ Atlanta 

Post#16 » by wegotthabeet » Thu Jul 4, 2024 2:59 pm

brackdan70 wrote:
wegotthabeet wrote:It’s a good question, bad trade proposal.

I guess they need Mitchell on an extension before they can do anything.

He signed a three year max extension right.


Somehow missed that. Now they need to get busy.
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Re: Cleveland offseason plan w/ Atlanta 

Post#17 » by tcheco » Thu Jul 4, 2024 2:59 pm

I have max and Hunter too close on value honestly. Strus shoots more 3s and hit them at a similar rate as Hunter, is better at assists and similar in rebounding. Both mediocre at defense... Hunter is more expensive...
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Re: Cleveland offseason plan w/ Atlanta 

Post#18 » by daoneandonly » Fri Jul 5, 2024 12:24 pm

I think Hunyer is way too injury prone to justify that pick package. Not to mention when he does play, he never really lived up to his hype/promise
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