DET-WAS-POR

[R-DAWG]

You start misshandling your cap and you'll be in cap hell and winning 20 games per season in no time.

Just because Ivey is bad, doesn't mean Detroit should turn him into 53 million of a player that's a bad fit because he plays 0 defense.

Think harder and find another team to dump his 53 million, a team that makes sense.

Sorry, I don’t follow your logic. Simons contract does nothing to hurt the pistons long term cap situation.

Cap space for this offseason is no longer needed, so you’re sacrificing 17.5mm of future space to get another Tobias Harris type of player on your roster.

Right now if I’m Detroit I’m investing in seeing if (a) Cade can develop into an elite offensive player and (b) can Thompson/Holland give you enough spacing to be a long term fit. In that regard- Simons offensive skill set and spacing helps tremendously. Once I figure out if I have something to build around with Cade I can worry about defense. Or I can tear it down.

Tobias and Simons are not comparable players at all. Have you ever watched them play? One is a good offensive player and plays 0 defense, he is among the worst defenders in the league (arguably the worst). The other is a solid all around player. He is not great, but he is average or above average at pretty much everything he does, including defense, he also plays a position of need for Detroit.

Detroit need a low usage, good defender and good shooter next to Cade, Simons is NONE of that. He is arguably the worst defender in the league, he have a below average TS% and he is a little above average 3 point shooter. He is a high usage, excellent creator player which makes him an excellent offensive player, however that is NOT what Cade need next to him. It would be more (Please Use More Appropriate Word) to pay Cade and Simons combined that kind of money than it was to pay Dame and CJ the money Portland paid in the past.

How many times do I have to say for you to understand? Simons is a fine player, he is not what Detroit need, He is very expensive and plays 0 defense. Ivey plays 0 defense, but he is cheap, and it's not like we would want to trade for Ivey if he wasn't in Detroit anyways. Simons is UNWANTED money for Detroit.

You have a lot of Detroit fans saying that in this thread, so stop this pointless argument please, you're embarrassing yourself. Simons to Detroit, even for free should be a no go, he is a terrible fit, just like he is a terrible fit in Portland.

We can disagree about Simons fit. I think he’s exactly what Cade needs but let’s put that aside.

I don’t think the money is meaningful at all as Detroit basically has an empty cap sheet and this is a 2 year deal.

What else are you doing with your cap space that will (a) be better on the court and (b) be off the books when extensions for Duran, Thompson, Sasser and Holland kick in.

[vege]

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[theBigLip]

Sorry, I don’t follow your logic. Simons contract does nothing to hurt the pistons long term cap situation.

Cap space for this offseason is no longer needed, so you’re sacrificing 17.5mm of future space to get another Tobias Harris type of player on your roster.

Right now if I’m Detroit I’m investing in seeing if (a) Cade can develop into an elite offensive player and (b) can Thompson/Holland give you enough spacing to be a long term fit. In that regard- Simons offensive skill set and spacing helps tremendously. Once I figure out if I have something to build around with Cade I can worry about defense. Or I can tear it down.

Tobias and Simons are not comparable players at all. Have you ever watched them play? One is a good offensive player and plays 0 defense, he is among the worst defenders in the league (arguably the worst). The other is a solid all around player. He is not great, but he is average or above average at pretty much everything he does, including defense, he also plays a position of need for Detroit.

Detroit need a low usage, good defender and good shooter next to Cade, Simons is NONE of that. He is arguably the worst defender in the league, he have a below average TS% and he is a little above average 3 point shooter. He is a high usage, excellent creator player which makes him an excellent offensive player, however that is NOT what Cade need next to him. It would be more (Please Use More Appropriate Word) to pay Cade and Simons combined that kind of money than it was to pay Dame and CJ the money Portland paid in the past.

How many times do I have to say for you to understand? Simons is a fine player, he is not what Detroit need, He is very expensive and plays 0 defense. Ivey plays 0 defense, but he is cheap, and it's not like we would want to trade for Ivey if he wasn't in Detroit anyways. Simons is UNWANTED money for Detroit.

You have a lot of Detroit fans saying that in this thread, so stop this pointless argument please, you're embarrassing yourself. Simons to Detroit, even for free should be a no go, he is a terrible fit, just like he is a terrible fit in Portland.

We can disagree about Simons fit. I think he’s exactly what Cade needs but let’s put that aside.

I don’t think the money is meaningful at all as Detroit basically has an empty cap sheet and this is a 2 year deal.

What else are you doing with your cap space that will (a) be better on the court and (b) be off the books when extensions for Duran, Thompson, Sasser and Holland kick in.

Do you think anymore trades will happen? I do. With the new CBA, capped teams need a facilitator more than ever. I’m sure Langdon is getting a lot of calls on our cap space. There’s more work to be done.

[7r5ur]

Sorry, I don’t follow your logic. Simons contract does nothing to hurt the pistons long term cap situation.

Cap space for this offseason is no longer needed, so you’re sacrificing 17.5mm of future space to get another Tobias Harris type of player on your roster.

Right now if I’m Detroit I’m investing in seeing if (a) Cade can develop into an elite offensive player and (b) can Thompson/Holland give you enough spacing to be a long term fit. In that regard- Simons offensive skill set and spacing helps tremendously. Once I figure out if I have something to build around with Cade I can worry about defense. Or I can tear it down.

Tobias and Simons are not comparable players at all. Have you ever watched them play? One is a good offensive player and plays 0 defense, he is among the worst defenders in the league (arguably the worst). The other is a solid all around player. He is not great, but he is average or above average at pretty much everything he does, including defense, he also plays a position of need for Detroit.

Detroit need a low usage, good defender and good shooter next to Cade, Simons is NONE of that. He is arguably the worst defender in the league, he have a below average TS% and he is a little above average 3 point shooter. He is a high usage, excellent creator player which makes him an excellent offensive player, however that is NOT what Cade need next to him. It would be more (Please Use More Appropriate Word) to pay Cade and Simons combined that kind of money than it was to pay Dame and CJ the money Portland paid in the past.

How many times do I have to say for you to understand? Simons is a fine player, he is not what Detroit need, He is very expensive and plays 0 defense. Ivey plays 0 defense, but he is cheap, and it's not like we would want to trade for Ivey if he wasn't in Detroit anyways. Simons is UNWANTED money for Detroit.

You have a lot of Detroit fans saying that in this thread, so stop this pointless argument please, you're embarrassing yourself. Simons to Detroit, even for free should be a no go, he is a terrible fit, just like he is a terrible fit in Portland.

We can disagree about Simons fit. I think he’s exactly what Cade needs but let’s put that aside.

I don’t think the money is meaningful at all as Detroit basically has an empty cap sheet and this is a 2 year deal.

What else are you doing with your cap space that will (a) be better on the court and (b) be off the books when extensions for Duran, Thompson, Sasser and Holland kick in.

The money is not an issue if Simons were a good fit with Cade. He is not. What you cannot do is bring in a player to build around that forces Cade into taking the tougher assignments on defense every single night. You'd make this deal and immediately be shopping Simons to see if you can find someone else that fits better. Just makes no sense. Literally the whole reason we'd trade Ivey is to get a better defender there, and Simons is in a select group of players that is worse.

[A_dub06]

I actually think Simon’s would be great next to Cade on the offensive end but defensively Simons is pure and utter trash which when you take the contract into consideration it’s just not worth it. I think the team would be better and win a couple more games with Simons over Ivey but there’s more to consider than just a couple wins so this would be a pretty easy no.