Unrealistic fun; Ingram for Middleton+Portis

[jayjaysee]

This seems bad for New Orleans, Atlanta should be sending more value out like 2 first round picks but I think Hunter has negative value.

Yeah, I had it as one first from Atlanta, I have Hunter is neutral value. His number is small enough IMO because the cap is jumping.

Would think it’s hard for him to become a true asset, but only teams worried about money/tax/2nd apron would worry about his inclusion.

[patman66]

Just seems like a mid first shouldn’t be too big a price for a team that talks like they have at least four of they long term starters (Trae, Dyson, Zac, Jalen) locked up..

Most seem to look at Atlanta like it’s year one of a rebuild, but I look at Atlanta like a young team with their future core locked up that has proven to win some last year and got really lucky with lottery.. those teams trade to improve the roster

Thats fine and understandable, but Middleton has 1-2 yrs of good play left imo, so by the time that young core is ready to win Middleton is already aged past his prime. End of the day its just a waste of a pick. I think Atlanta will still make play-in without Middleton

As a Bucks fan, I'm not wanting to trade him for for a few quarters. His game isn't dependent on athleticism and should age well. He's a smart player who uses his length and positioning to stay in front of more athletic players on defense.

When to factor in his contract ($31.6MM), he provides more value than PG13 ($48.8MM) who is 2 years older and has missed more time than Khris over the last 5 years. Again, I know he's had his fair share of injuries the last few seasons, but he's still a very good player who can create for himself and his teammates on offense and always seems to perform better in the playoffs.

No idea why you say Middleton's game will age well, when he has not played 1/2 the season in the last two. Being on the court in your mid 30s is the very meaning of aging well.

[bdpecore]

Thats fine and understandable, but Middleton has 1-2 yrs of good play left imo, so by the time that young core is ready to win Middleton is already aged past his prime. End of the day its just a waste of a pick. I think Atlanta will still make play-in without Middleton

As a Bucks fan, I'm not wanting to trade him for for a few quarters. His game isn't dependent on athleticism and should age well. He's a smart player who uses his length and positioning to stay in front of more athletic players on defense.

When to factor in his contract ($31.6MM), he provides more value than PG13 ($48.8MM) who is 2 years older and has missed more time than Khris over the last 5 years. Again, I know he's had his fair share of injuries the last few seasons, but he's still a very good player who can create for himself and his teammates on offense and always seems to perform better in the playoffs.

No idea why you say Middleton's game will age well, when he has not played 1/2 the season in the last two. Being on the court in your mid 30s is the very meaning of aging well.

My point was Middleton's game doesn't rely on his athleticism but instead on his BBIQ. He wasn't blowing past players when he was in his prime but is smart enough to create space offensively and anticipate defensively to offset his lack of agility. He's been playing an old man style of ball his entire career which means he won't have to adjust his game as he continues to age.

[patman66]

As a Bucks fan, I'm not wanting to trade him for for a few quarters. His game isn't dependent on athleticism and should age well. He's a smart player who uses his length and positioning to stay in front of more athletic players on defense.

When to factor in his contract ($31.6MM), he provides more value than PG13 ($48.8MM) who is 2 years older and has missed more time than Khris over the last 5 years. Again, I know he's had his fair share of injuries the last few seasons, but he's still a very good player who can create for himself and his teammates on offense and always seems to perform better in the playoffs.

No idea why you say Middleton's game will age well, when he has not played 1/2 the season in the last two. Being on the court in your mid 30s is the very meaning of aging well.

My point was Middleton's game doesn't rely on his athleticism but instead on his BBIQ. He wasn't blowing past players when he was in his prime but is smart enough to create space offensively and anticipate defensively to offset his lack of agility. He's been playing an old man style of ball his entire career which means he won't have to adjust his game as he continues to age.

But he is not on the court, whether or not his game relies on athleticism is my point. He does not play enough to justify 65 mil of cap space to a team with depth there already.

[bdpecore]

No idea why you say Middleton's game will age well, when he has not played 1/2 the season in the last two. Being on the court in your mid 30s is the very meaning of aging well.

My point was Middleton's game doesn't rely on his athleticism but instead on his BBIQ. He wasn't blowing past players when he was in his prime but is smart enough to create space offensively and anticipate defensively to offset his lack of agility. He's been playing an old man style of ball his entire career which means he won't have to adjust his game as he continues to age.

But he is not on the court, whether or not his game relies on athleticism is my point. He does not play enough to justify 65 mil of cap space to a team with depth there already.

If a team can justify paying an injury prone 34 year old (PG13), $211 mil over the next 4 years, then I don't see why a team wouldn't find value in paying Middleton, who will be 33 in August, $65 mil for the next 2. BTW both players have played about the same number of minutes over the last 5 seasons (PG = 10235: KM = 10303). This tells me teams are willing to gamble on top tier players even if they are injury prone.

If you would prefer I use a player with a similar salary, Kristaps Porzingus just received a 2yr/$60 mil extension while only playing over 60 games once in the last six seasons.