Heurter + SAC27 = Your Team’s PF

[TheBrooklynKidd]

I could see an opt out + extension or playing out his year before entering free agency the next year. Either way, I'm not sure I really understand the hesitancy to take on a 2nd year of Huerter. We basically saw it this off-season, free agency is not what it once was. Young players going to stick around and take the max when possible.

It's like Lauri renegotiates and extends with utah or gets traded and resigns with GS.

Next years free agency is looking like the Brandon Ingram/Julius Randle sweepstakes. And I'm not sure I want to be the team begging those guys to takes maxs from me.

Either way I

Next year

I would rather have the space to absorb contracts for assets as other teams scramble to avoid the 1st and 2nd aprons.

For example, the Spurs just got an unprotected swap from your team/Chicago for $18 million in space.

Huerter doesn’t have any value to Brooklyn and I doubt other teams will be interested in him for the same reason you’re arguing DFS will opt in. Especially since he’s both more expensive and less valuable than DFS.

That's fair. I'll just say that's one extreme circumstance. On the other end Detroit absorbed how much for THJ for a few 2nds? And looking at Nets payroll next year, with or without Huerter you are going to have significant space to do that.

I can see the argument either way. Chance that a former 40% 3pt shooter who is only 25 years old rebounds some value or you are stuck with him vs tons of cap space that could lead to some assets or could lead to paying 43 million for THJ/Tobias and a few 2nds.

Had this same argument with Pistons fans 3 months ago. They told me they were gonna chase Monk, Claxton, etc.. And that taking Barnes for 2nds was a terrible idea. I'm sure hindsight they would have preferred my idea

Even in a best case scenario where Huerter rehabs his value, Brooklyn won’t get more than 2nds for him in a trade.

The optionality of $18 million in cap space is just better than Huerter.

I see Brooklyn throwing big offers at the RFAs from the 2021 draft, just like they did in 2016 with Otto Porter. Think: Sengun, Jalen Green, Giddey, Kuminga, Murphy & Jalen Johnson.

If they miss out on those guys, that’s fine too. They’ll want to tank in 2026 as well.

[LightTheBeam]

I would rather have the space to absorb contracts for assets as other teams scramble to avoid the 1st and 2nd aprons.

For example, the Spurs just got an unprotected swap from your team/Chicago for $18 million in space.

Huerter doesn’t have any value to Brooklyn and I doubt other teams will be interested in him for the same reason you’re arguing DFS will opt in. Especially since he’s both more expensive and less valuable than DFS.

That's fair. I'll just say that's one extreme circumstance. On the other end Detroit absorbed how much for THJ for a few 2nds? And looking at Nets payroll next year, with or without Huerter you are going to have significant space to do that.

I can see the argument either way. Chance that a former 40% 3pt shooter who is only 25 years old rebounds some value or you are stuck with him vs tons of cap space that could lead to some assets or could lead to paying 43 million for THJ/Tobias and a few 2nds.

Had this same argument with Pistons fans 3 months ago. They told me they were gonna chase Monk, Claxton, etc.. And that taking Barnes for 2nds was a terrible idea. I'm sure hindsight they would have preferred my idea

Even in a best case scenario where Huerter rehabs his value, Brooklyn won’t get more than 2nds for him in a trade.

The optionality of $18 million in cap space is just better than Huerter.

I see Brooklyn throwing big offers at the RFAs from the 2021 draft, just like they did in 2016 with Otto Porter. Think: Sengun, Jalen Green, Giddey, Kuminga, Murphy & Jalen Johnson.

If they miss out on those guys, that’s fine too. They’ll want to tank in 2026 as well.

Ya we will see what happens. The money has to be spent someway somehow. Think there's a lot of worse options than Huerter who Jordi is comfortable with an elevates spacing for the guys you want to progress. I also think the vast majority of those guys will end up with rookie extensions before the Nets even have a chance. But happy to revisit down the road!

[OGSactownballer]

This has really got into the weeds and is foolish.

DJJ just signed for $10/year (not even CLOSE to MLE) from being the starter who REPLACED DFS on a Finals team.

There’s the real value point. He’s never getting a first and two seconds and a serviceable young and relatively inexpensive player is a pretty good return.

[SNPA]

I went to the Nets Board for a brief moment and saw a comment about getting 2 1sts for DFS. I don’t see that, and certainly not from Sac. If Monte traded 2 1sts for DFS he’d be run out of town with pitchforks and flaming torches.

[OxAndFox]

I went to the Nets Board for a brief moment and saw a comment about getting 2 1sts for DFS. I don’t see that, and certainly not from Sac. If Monte traded 2 1sts for DFS he’d be run out of town with pitchforks and flaming torches.

I mean who wouldn't pay first rounders for the below. After DFS "hot start" to the season the below is how he fared in 2024.
38 GP
7.2/4.3/1.8
102/260 - 0.392 FG%
46/171 - 0.269 3P%
25/36 - 0.694 FT%

Teams pony up for defensive guys that can shoot the ball. They don't for defensive guys that are this bad on offence.

[bgrep14]

Huerter for Deandre Hunter would probably make sense.

[bgrep14]

Mine as well trade 2 more firsts and 2 pick swaps and get Markinnen

[jayjaysee]

This has really got into the weeds and is foolish.

DJJ just signed for $10/year (not even CLOSE to MLE) from being the starter who REPLACED DFS on a Finals team.

There’s the real value point. He’s never getting a first and two seconds and a serviceable young and relatively inexpensive player is a pretty good return.

As a Dallas fan, I’d have been much happier with DFS still starting over DJJ… I think most Dallas fans would agree. Nothing would’ve changed how the finals went, but the team would’ve been better.

But agree with the rest of the point.

If Sac owned their 2025 first, I think they’d trade it for DFS. And it would be a great deal. But not a 2027 first.

[tcheco]

Their depth is what

Fox/Carter/Monk
Ellis/Monk/Carter
DDR/McDaniels
Murray/Lyles
Sabonis/Len


Checking all teams, I think the only option that makes sense is DFS.

Huerter + Lottery Protected first for DFS could work?

Kings add some defensive help that can hit the open 3 and save a couple of mil(is it relevant?)
Nets add in a potencial pick for a player that does not fit their timeline

I think this really makes the Kings rotation way better, having him get minutes at both SF and PF, Kings have another body to cover defensively for DDR and can be kept in the corner to hit open threes

Edit - Saw some people discuss this already, I dont think DFS is worth a great first, but I value Huerter much less than Kings fans too, so thats why I made it a protected first. I would think that Kings could do that even if its a bit of an overpay(for some) because fit can really change this team. I dont think kings can land much better value than this with their first and Huerter honestly, maybe Grant but that extra money is even a possibility?

[tester551]

Their depth is what

Fox/Carter/Monk
Ellis/Monk/Carter
DDR/McDaniels
Murray/Lyles
Sabonis/Len


Checking all teams, I think the only option that makes sense is DFS.

Huerter + Lottery Protected first for DFS could work?

Kings add some defensive help that can hit the open 3 and save a couple of mil(is it relevant?)
Nets add in a potencial pick for a player that does not fit their timeline

I think this really makes the Kings rotation way better, having him get minutes at both SF and PF, Kings have another body to cover defensively for DDR and can be kept in the corner to hit open threes

Edit - Saw some people discuss this already, I dont think DFS is worth a great first, but I value Huerter much less than Kings fans too, so thats why I made it a protected first. I would think that Kings could do that even if its a bit of an overpay(for some) because fit can really change this team. I dont think kings can land much better value than this with their first and Huerter honestly, maybe Grant but that extra money is even a possibility?

As an outsider, I think DFS and Huerter are equal value.

If Kings give up a pick + Huerter, they should be getting Cam Johnson in return.

[OxAndFox]

Their depth is what

Fox/Carter/Monk
Ellis/Monk/Carter
DDR/McDaniels
Murray/Lyles
Sabonis/Len


Checking all teams, I think the only option that makes sense is DFS.

Huerter + Lottery Protected first for DFS could work?

Kings add some defensive help that can hit the open 3 and save a couple of mil(is it relevant?)
Nets add in a potencial pick for a player that does not fit their timeline

I think this really makes the Kings rotation way better, having him get minutes at both SF and PF, Kings have another body to cover defensively for DDR and can be kept in the corner to hit open threes

Edit - Saw some people discuss this already, I dont think DFS is worth a great first, but I value Huerter much less than Kings fans too, so thats why I made it a protected first. I would think that Kings could do that even if its a bit of an overpay(for some) because fit can really change this team. I dont think kings can land much better value than this with their first and Huerter honestly, maybe Grant but that extra money is even a possibility?

As an outsider, I think DFS and Huerter are equal value.

If Kings give up a pick + Huerter, they should be getting Cam Johnson in return.

Yeah I don't think anyone can justify rating DFS over Huerter.
I get that Brooklyn is trying to keep space etc. That doesn't mean he has more value in trade and if its mandatory for expirings in a DFS trade AND picks, can anyone see a trade out there that anyone would make???

I still maintain DFS doesn't opt out of his deal if he has another dreadful season like the one just gone, whereas Huerter at 25 is more than likely rebounding back to where he was the year earlier.
This happens and Huerter has much, much more value than DFS.

[OxAndFox]

Their depth is what

Fox/Carter/Monk
Ellis/Monk/Carter
DDR/McDaniels
Murray/Lyles
Sabonis/Len


Checking all teams, I think the only option that makes sense is DFS.

Huerter + Lottery Protected first for DFS could work?

Kings add some defensive help that can hit the open 3 and save a couple of mil(is it relevant?)
Nets add in a potencial pick for a player that does not fit their timeline

I think this really makes the Kings rotation way better, having him get minutes at both SF and PF, Kings have another body to cover defensively for DDR and can be kept in the corner to hit open threes

Edit - Saw some people discuss this already, I dont think DFS is worth a great first, but I value Huerter much less than Kings fans too, so thats why I made it a protected first. I would think that Kings could do that even if its a bit of an overpay(for some) because fit can really change this team. I dont think kings can land much better value than this with their first and Huerter honestly, maybe Grant but that extra money is even a possibility?

The might be able to get Kuzma for a first. There is not a chance anyone is giving up a 1st round pick for a 31yo DFS who just came off a season that he just had.

As I mentioned earlier. After his "hot start"
These are his numbers after the new year. Are they the worst numbers in the NBA that average more than 25mpg??

38 GP
7.2/4.3/1.8
102/260 - 0.392 FG%
46/171 - 0.269 3P%
25/36 - 0.694 FT%

That is NOT a guy that can hit the open 3. This isn't prime Dallas DFS we're talking about. That is what his value WAS. it's not anywhere close to that now.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Their depth is what

Fox/Carter/Monk
Ellis/Monk/Carter
DDR/McDaniels
Murray/Lyles
Sabonis/Len


Checking all teams, I think the only option that makes sense is DFS.

Huerter + Lottery Protected first for DFS could work?

Kings add some defensive help that can hit the open 3 and save a couple of mil(is it relevant?)
Nets add in a potencial pick for a player that does not fit their timeline

I think this really makes the Kings rotation way better, having him get minutes at both SF and PF, Kings have another body to cover defensively for DDR and can be kept in the corner to hit open threes

Edit - Saw some people discuss this already, I dont think DFS is worth a great first, but I value Huerter much less than Kings fans too, so thats why I made it a protected first. I would think that Kings could do that even if its a bit of an overpay(for some) because fit can really change this team. I dont think kings can land much better value than this with their first and Huerter honestly, maybe Grant but that extra money is even a possibility?

As an outsider, I think DFS and Huerter are equal value.

If Kings give up a pick + Huerter, they should be getting Cam Johnson in return.

Yeah I don't think anyone can justify rating DFS over Huerter.
I get that Brooklyn is trying to keep space etc. That doesn't mean he has more value in trade and if its mandatory for expirings in a DFS trade AND picks, can anyone see a trade out there that anyone would make???

I still maintain DFS doesn't opt out of his deal if he has another dreadful season like the one just gone, whereas Huerter at 25 is more than likely rebounding back to where he was the year earlier.
This happens and Huerter has much, much more value than DFS.

Why would anyone want Huerter? He’s a league average shooter, poor defender, poor shot creator and owed $35 million.

Both are role players, but DFS’ role as a big defensive forward who can hit 3s is much more valuable to contending teams. That’s why so many opposing fans want him, that’s why so many teams are connected to him.

Actually now that I think of it, what is Huerter’s role? Bench floor spacer and defensive liability?

Wasn’t he outplayed by both Monk and Keon Ellis last season?

When’s the last time you saw Huerter in a trade proposal where he wasn’t just salary filler?

[tcheco]

Their depth is what

Fox/Carter/Monk
Ellis/Monk/Carter
DDR/McDaniels
Murray/Lyles
Sabonis/Len


Checking all teams, I think the only option that makes sense is DFS.

Huerter + Lottery Protected first for DFS could work?

Kings add some defensive help that can hit the open 3 and save a couple of mil(is it relevant?)
Nets add in a potencial pick for a player that does not fit their timeline

I think this really makes the Kings rotation way better, having him get minutes at both SF and PF, Kings have another body to cover defensively for DDR and can be kept in the corner to hit open threes

Edit - Saw some people discuss this already, I dont think DFS is worth a great first, but I value Huerter much less than Kings fans too, so thats why I made it a protected first. I would think that Kings could do that even if its a bit of an overpay(for some) because fit can really change this team. I dont think kings can land much better value than this with their first and Huerter honestly, maybe Grant but that extra money is even a possibility?

As an outsider, I think DFS and Huerter are equal value.

If Kings give up a pick + Huerter, they should be getting Cam Johnson in return.

Yeah I don't think anyone can justify rating DFS over Huerter.
I get that Brooklyn is trying to keep space etc. That doesn't mean he has more value in trade and if its mandatory for expirings in a DFS trade AND picks, can anyone see a trade out there that anyone would make???

I still maintain DFS doesn't opt out of his deal if he has another dreadful season like the one just gone, whereas Huerter at 25 is more than likely rebounding back to where he was the year earlier.
This happens and Huerter has much, much more value than DFS.

I mean, as a neutral fan, I'd say DFS has more ways of contributing than Huerter, defensively being the most relevant(since what Huerter brings to the table is what the Kings already have)

Sure if DFS has a terrible year and Huerter has a great year, Huerter will have more value, but that is just hoping both things happen. I do agree I'm less hopeful of Huerter getting back to his best year stats than reality should be, but I gotta agree that DFS has failed to perform with the Nets, even if they have been a mess for the last 2 years.

a protected first might be too much really as DFS value is at an all time low, but I do believe he is a way better fit than Huerter atm, but not a protected first in difference.

I'm also not super excited with CamJohnson for the kings honestly, if I can't get DFS for Huerter and a second rounder, I'd probably look somewhere else.

[OxAndFox]

As an outsider, I think DFS and Huerter are equal value.

If Kings give up a pick + Huerter, they should be getting Cam Johnson in return.

Yeah I don't think anyone can justify rating DFS over Huerter.
I get that Brooklyn is trying to keep space etc. That doesn't mean he has more value in trade and if its mandatory for expirings in a DFS trade AND picks, can anyone see a trade out there that anyone would make???

I still maintain DFS doesn't opt out of his deal if he has another dreadful season like the one just gone, whereas Huerter at 25 is more than likely rebounding back to where he was the year earlier.
This happens and Huerter has much, much more value than DFS.

I mean, as a neutral fan, I'd say DFS has more ways of contributing than Huerter, defensively being the most relevant(since what Huerter brings to the table is what the Kings already have)

Sure if DFS has a terrible year and Huerter has a great year, Huerter will have more value, but that is just hoping both things happen. I do agree I'm less hopeful of Huerter getting back to his best year stats than reality should be, but I gotta agree that DFS has failed to perform with the Nets, even if they have been a mess for the last 2 years.

a protected first might be too much really as DFS value is at an all time low, but I do believe he is a way better fit than Huerter atm, but not a protected first in difference.

I'm also not super excited with CamJohnson for the kings honestly, if I can't get DFS for Huerter and a second rounder, I'd probably look somewhere else.

Huerter had his worst season as a pro and was still far better than DFS last season, who has been brutal for 2 seasons now.
What gives anyone confidence that DFS is going to all of a sudden turn around a 2 year slide at 31 years old.
The fact we're even talking about Huerter/DFS should give people pause about asking for too much either way, which proves that the value is close and could be either way.

Huerter has a market. It's been reported this off season. So while some may want to look to a down year shooting wise, the fact is NBA FO don't forget what a guy can do, particularly a player that hasn't reached his prime yet.

And while DFS is an obvious upgrade defensively and his position suits far more than Huerter where the Kings have a load of guards, who in their right mind thinks it's a good idea putting DDR, DFS and Sabonis together to play over 25mpg each and then having the confidence to rely on Fox's 3pt shot being a real thing (there should be confidence it is, but it's not a given) and a young guy in Keon Ellis who shot the ball well, but who knows what he is going to be with a heavier load.

[OxAndFox]

As an outsider, I think DFS and Huerter are equal value.

If Kings give up a pick + Huerter, they should be getting Cam Johnson in return.

Yeah I don't think anyone can justify rating DFS over Huerter.
I get that Brooklyn is trying to keep space etc. That doesn't mean he has more value in trade and if its mandatory for expirings in a DFS trade AND picks, can anyone see a trade out there that anyone would make???

I still maintain DFS doesn't opt out of his deal if he has another dreadful season like the one just gone, whereas Huerter at 25 is more than likely rebounding back to where he was the year earlier.
This happens and Huerter has much, much more value than DFS.

Why would anyone want Huerter? He’s a league average shooter, poor defender, poor shot creator and owed $35 million.

Both are role players, but DFS’ role as a big defensive forward who can hit 3s is much more valuable to contending teams. That’s why so many opposing fans want him, that’s why so many teams are connected to him.

Actually now that I think of it, what is Huerter’s role? Bench floor spacer and defensive liability?

Wasn’t he outplayed by both Monk and Keon Ellis last season?

When’s the last time you saw Huerter in a trade proposal where he wasn’t just salary filler?

Yes you're right. You only have trade value If you're mentioned on the RealGM T&T board. LOL

[OGSactownballer]

Their depth is what

Fox/Carter/Monk
Ellis/Monk/Carter
DDR/McDaniels
Murray/Lyles
Sabonis/Len


Checking all teams, I think the only option that makes sense is DFS.

Huerter + Lottery Protected first for DFS could work?

Kings add some defensive help that can hit the open 3 and save a couple of mil(is it relevant?)
Nets add in a potencial pick for a player that does not fit their timeline

I think this really makes the Kings rotation way better, having him get minutes at both SF and PF, Kings have another body to cover defensively for DDR and can be kept in the corner to hit open threes

Edit - Saw some people discuss this already, I dont think DFS is worth a great first, but I value Huerter much less than Kings fans too, so thats why I made it a protected first. I would think that Kings could do that even if its a bit of an overpay(for some) because fit can really change this team. I dont think kings can land much better value than this with their first and Huerter honestly, maybe Grant but that extra money is even a possibility?

As an outsider, I think DFS and Huerter are equal value.

If Kings give up a pick + Huerter, they should be getting Cam Johnson in return.

See as a lifelong basketball player, coach and fan I am able to separate my fandom for my team from the reality of values when it comes to the business side of the NBA.

This makes perfect sense.

If you look at simply the metrics of the players and nothing else this is at worst an equal value trade player to player and at best a slightly tipped to the Nets advantage because of the age difference alone.

The part about Huerter and a protected first being the value of Cam Johnson also makes sense because ultimately that is a balanced value for what each player gives at his position and again their is an age differential factor (people forget that Cam isn’t a “young guy with potential” anymore he’s almost thirty and is what he is).

For me I would be very unhappy to see my team give up anything more than a straight trade with maybe a Colby Jones to salary balance it for a guy like DFS who is not any kind of needle over but more of a roster balance. You just don’t give up first rounders in this new basketball economy for that. You pick up those guys off the FA market for base deals or from the waiver wire. I honestly don’t even think he starts here in Sac over either Keegan or Lyles. So you’re talking that a bench/rotational piece should be worth a FRP? That just makes no sense.

The problem more than anything is the one huge massive overpay deal done to get Bridges to the Knicks is coloring everyone’s perspective - especially Nets fans - about the value of players that are not actually stars or performers at the levels that Bridges exhibited (solid primary scorer that fits seamlessly as a second or third guy and All - NBA caliber defense) and the fit and desire to have him there.

[The Beam King]

Their depth is what

Fox/Carter/Monk
Ellis/Monk/Carter
DDR/McDaniels
Murray/Lyles
Sabonis/Len


Checking all teams, I think the only option that makes sense is DFS.

Huerter + Lottery Protected first for DFS could work?

Kings add some defensive help that can hit the open 3 and save a couple of mil(is it relevant?)
Nets add in a potencial pick for a player that does not fit their timeline

I think this really makes the Kings rotation way better, having him get minutes at both SF and PF, Kings have another body to cover defensively for DDR and can be kept in the corner to hit open threes

Edit - Saw some people discuss this already, I dont think DFS is worth a great first, but I value Huerter much less than Kings fans too, so thats why I made it a protected first. I would think that Kings could do that even if its a bit of an overpay(for some) because fit can really change this team. I dont think kings can land much better value than this with their first and Huerter honestly, maybe Grant but that extra money is even a possibility?

As an outsider, I think DFS and Huerter are equal value.

If Kings give up a pick + Huerter, they should be getting Cam Johnson in return.

THis 100%.

I actually prefer targetoing DFS because the price tag would be less. We don't need to be mortgaging the future for a player when we only have rotational minutes left to give to said player.

[TheNetsFan]

Value is based on team need, situation and perception. To the Nets, Huerter has less value because he's more expensive, is guaranteed to be on the books next year and would fit on fewer teams making him difficult to flip. Also, after the Zaire trade, the Nets don't have much wiggle room under the tax. If anything, Huerter is a negative for the Nets. To the Kings, Huerter has less value because they need defensive help more than offensive.

I don't think the Nets will get an outright 1st for DFS unless they're taking back bad, multi-year salary. In years the Nets have multiple picks ('25) or worst of picks ('29), a swap would be almost as valuable as a pick. I think Marks will see if he can make proactive small incremental moves in the form of swaps for this upcoming draft utilizing DFS, CamJ or Schroder.