Jeremi Grant to Miami

[Blazers20]

I saw Ware more as Portland’s starting 4 (Scoot-Sharpe-Deni-Ware-Ayton).

Also saw Grant starting with Herro-Jaquez-Butler-Bam.

[BBallFreak]

Also saw Grant starting with Herro-Jaquez-Butler-Bam.

Yeah, I know. The problem though is we've made a concrete effort to get bigger on the Frontline, and I'm not just talking about height. Grant doesn't rebound, he's not a noted defender, and he's not particularly physical. He's a super up version of Caleb Martin, and while that's nice, that's not the way the league is tending, nor the direction Miami has shown their trying to go. In the last three years they've used two first round picks to try and find a big to pair with Bam. Why are we trading that, along with our only point guard, to go small again?

[brackdan70]

Great for Miami. Getting off Rozier probably costs more I think IDK.
For Portland I am unsure. Getting a young player with potential out of Grant seems ok.

[BBallFreak]

Great for Miami. Getting off Rozier probably costs more I think IDK.
For Portland I am unsure. Getting a young player with potential out of Grant seems ok.

We just acquired him and, before his injury, he was really starting to show something good. Why would we want to get off of him?

[brackdan70]

Great for Miami. Getting off Rozier probably costs more I think IDK.
For Portland I am unsure. Getting a young player with potential out of Grant seems ok.

We just acquired him and, before his injury, he was really starting to show something good. Why would we want to get off of him?

My opinion is he is not very good. Empty stats. I guess the Heat might want to see more of him before deciding since they gave up real assets for him.

[Norm2953]

let's see if Grant ends in LA after Lebron returns from the Olympics.

Likely return is FRP, perhaps 5-6 years away. Portland with Clingan, Ayton and TL
doesn't need Ware and in any event coming off his SL, is not available

[Hoops23]

Yeah let see where Portland dump the over paid Grant.

Miami doesn't need Grant who has $132m for 4-yrs and a poor rebounder for a PF. Heat will not trade their only PG plus a promising young player for a PF whom a position Bam can play with next season

[Pattycakes]

Trade idea taken from this Heat based article: https://heavy.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/jerami-grant-trade-rumors-2/

Terry Rozier
Kel’El Ware

For

Jeremi Grant

Heat: As the article details, this is about the Heat making a continued competitive push. I suspect the Heat would seek a follow up trade to replace some of Rozier’s guard production.

Blazers: Turn Grant into some financial savings and get another rookie center that they worked out. Rozier becomes another vet mentor to Scoot until we can flip him (the sooner the better, but may be difficult until he next summer when he only has 1 year left on his contract). An additional center likely means Blazers push harder to move on from either Ayton or RWIII.

Note: I didn’t run this through a trade machine. I just took it as the article presented it. Not sure if additional salary filler is needed.

Blazers have 3 centers that could all start already. So no

I think the idea would be to move a couple of them for whatever value you can get. Ware would be more about having the asset. I agree, you have no need for him, but as a rebuilding team it's not about on court needs.

There’s not a problem or need for it tho.

Like Ware is cool, great. We still already have three starting quality centers that we have zero incentive to trade any of currently. Just saying this proposal is pointless, as it isn’t needed for either team in any capacity - Portland included.

[Paz]

I don't forsee a tangible path for Portland to dump their bad contract to the HEAT. I even see some fans saying the HEAT need to add to the package. This trade doesn't hold water for MANY reasons. Most notably, Grant's contract is among the worst in the league and with the HEAT already having large contracts on their payroll, if a deal doesn't involve either a player that can be a positive acquisition OR cap relief then I am almost positive the HEAT will not even entertain it. Grant isn't it. He's a mid level player on a high level contract. So again and finally, the HEAT are not a prospect for Portland dump Grant's contract.

[dubasilva]

No man, kill this idea. This trade makes no sense.

[Butter]

I don't forsee a tangible path for Portland to dump their bad contract to the HEAT. I even see some fans saying the HEAT need to add to the package. This trade doesn't hold water for MANY reasons. Most notably, Grant's contract is among the worst in the league and with the HEAT already having large contracts on their payroll, if a deal doesn't involve either a player that can be a positive acquisition OR cap relief then I am almost positive the HEAT will not even entertain it. Grant isn't it. He's a mid level player on a high level contract. So again and finally, the HEAT are not a prospect for Portland dump Grant's contract.

First, agree, the Blazers and Heat are not good trade partners in this case (again)

Second, I laugh at this, Grant is the worst contract in the league non-sense. Value = cost / benefit. When Grant's 50th overall contract AND his production is compared to equal contracts, he's pretty favorable, especially compared to new contracts as the cap raises.

Feel free to click on these list of links to compare Grant's production at $32 million:


Compare salaries VS. production
Paul George, age 34, @52.8M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/paul-george-202331/jerami-grant-203924

Jimmy Butler, age 34, $49M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/jimmy-butler-202710/jerami-grant-203924

Pascal Siakam, age 30, $47M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/pascal-siakam-1627783/jerami-grant-203924

Zach Lavine, age 29 @ $43M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/zach-lavine-203897/jerami-grant-203924

Michael Porter, age 26, @ $36M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/michael-porter-jr.-1629008/jerami-grant-203924

Kris Middleton, age 32, $31M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/khris-middleton-203114/jerami-grant-203924

Brandon Ingram, age 26, @$31.6M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/brandon-ingram-1627742/jerami-grant-203924

Andrew Wiggins, age 29, $27m
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/andrew-wiggins-203952/jerami-grant-203924

Tobias Harris, age 32 @ $26M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/tobias-harris-202699/jerami-grant-203924

[BBallFreak]

I don't forsee a tangible path for Portland to dump their bad contract to the HEAT. I even see some fans saying the HEAT need to add to the package. This trade doesn't hold water for MANY reasons. Most notably, Grant's contract is among the worst in the league and with the HEAT already having large contracts on their payroll, if a deal doesn't involve either a player that can be a positive acquisition OR cap relief then I am almost positive the HEAT will not even entertain it. Grant isn't it. He's a mid level player on a high level contract. So again and finally, the HEAT are not a prospect for Portland dump Grant's contract.

First, agree, the Blazers and Heat are not good trade partners in this case (again)

Second, I laugh at this, Grant is the worst contract in the league non-sense. Value = cost / benefit. When Grant's 50th overall contract AND his production is compared to equal contracts, he's pretty favorable, especially compared to new contracts as the cap raises.

Feel free to click on these list of links to compare Grant's production at $32 million:


Compare salaries VS. production
Paul George, age 34, @52.8M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/paul-george-202331/jerami-grant-203924

Jimmy Butler, age 34, $49M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/jimmy-butler-202710/jerami-grant-203924

Pascal Siakam, age 30, $47M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/pascal-siakam-1627783/jerami-grant-203924

Zach Lavine, age 29 @ $43M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/zach-lavine-203897/jerami-grant-203924

Michael Porter, age 26, @ $36M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/michael-porter-jr.-1629008/jerami-grant-203924

Kris Middleton, age 32, $31M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/khris-middleton-203114/jerami-grant-203924

Brandon Ingram, age 26, @$31.6M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/brandon-ingram-1627742/jerami-grant-203924

Andrew Wiggins, age 29, $27m
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/andrew-wiggins-203952/jerami-grant-203924

Tobias Harris, age 32 @ $26M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/tobias-harris-202699/jerami-grant-203924

Remarkably, the same works if you replace Jerami Grant with Tyler Herro, (and moreso because Tyler makes less money over fewer years) yet we're told all the time that he's worthless. I'm not telling you that Tyler Herro is valuable, just that your stat comparison is worthless.

And that's not getting into the fact that Grant is putting up inflated numbers on a terrible team. Or that you picked terrible contracts/far better players who do far more for team success than Grant (Paul George and Jimmy Butler?!?!?! Really?!?!?!).

Empty stats don't impress me.

[Myth]

I don't forsee a tangible path for Portland to dump their bad contract to the HEAT. I even see some fans saying the HEAT need to add to the package. This trade doesn't hold water for MANY reasons. Most notably, Grant's contract is among the worst in the league and with the HEAT already having large contracts on their payroll, if a deal doesn't involve either a player that can be a positive acquisition OR cap relief then I am almost positive the HEAT will not even entertain it. Grant isn't it. He's a mid level player on a high level contract. So again and finally, the HEAT are not a prospect for Portland dump Grant's contract.

First, agree, the Blazers and Heat are not good trade partners in this case (again)

Second, I laugh at this, Grant is the worst contract in the league non-sense. Value = cost / benefit. When Grant's 50th overall contract AND his production is compared to equal contracts, he's pretty favorable, especially compared to new contracts as the cap raises.

Feel free to click on these list of links to compare Grant's production at $32 million:


Compare salaries VS. production
Paul George, age 34, @52.8M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/paul-george-202331/jerami-grant-203924

Jimmy Butler, age 34, $49M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/jimmy-butler-202710/jerami-grant-203924

Pascal Siakam, age 30, $47M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/pascal-siakam-1627783/jerami-grant-203924

Zach Lavine, age 29 @ $43M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/zach-lavine-203897/jerami-grant-203924

Michael Porter, age 26, @ $36M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/michael-porter-jr.-1629008/jerami-grant-203924

Kris Middleton, age 32, $31M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/khris-middleton-203114/jerami-grant-203924

Brandon Ingram, age 26, @$31.6M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/brandon-ingram-1627742/jerami-grant-203924

Andrew Wiggins, age 29, $27m
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/andrew-wiggins-203952/jerami-grant-203924

Tobias Harris, age 32 @ $26M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/tobias-harris-202699/jerami-grant-203924

Remarkably, the same works if you replace Jerami Grant with Tyler Herro, (and moreso because Tyler makes less money over fewer years) yet we're told all the time that he's worthless. I'm not telling you that Tyler Herro is valuable, just that your stat comparison is worthless.

And that's not getting into the fact that Grant is putting up inflated numbers on a terrible team. Or that you picked terrible contracts/far better players who do far more for team success than Grant (Paul George and Jimmy Butler?!?!?! Really?!?!?!).

Empty stats don't impress me.

I don’t think Herro is worthless. Though he is a similar type to Grant in the sense that his archetype is not as valuable as his skill set would lead somebody to believe. I believe they are each worth about a mid-1st and salary filler that is worse rotation players.

[BBallFreak]

First, agree, the Blazers and Heat are not good trade partners in this case (again)

Second, I laugh at this, Grant is the worst contract in the league non-sense. Value = cost / benefit. When Grant's 50th overall contract AND his production is compared to equal contracts, he's pretty favorable, especially compared to new contracts as the cap raises.

Feel free to click on these list of links to compare Grant's production at $32 million:


Compare salaries VS. production
Paul George, age 34, @52.8M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/paul-george-202331/jerami-grant-203924

Jimmy Butler, age 34, $49M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/jimmy-butler-202710/jerami-grant-203924

Pascal Siakam, age 30, $47M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/pascal-siakam-1627783/jerami-grant-203924

Zach Lavine, age 29 @ $43M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/zach-lavine-203897/jerami-grant-203924

Michael Porter, age 26, @ $36M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/michael-porter-jr.-1629008/jerami-grant-203924

Kris Middleton, age 32, $31M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/khris-middleton-203114/jerami-grant-203924

Brandon Ingram, age 26, @$31.6M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/brandon-ingram-1627742/jerami-grant-203924

Andrew Wiggins, age 29, $27m
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/andrew-wiggins-203952/jerami-grant-203924

Tobias Harris, age 32 @ $26M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/tobias-harris-202699/jerami-grant-203924

Remarkably, the same works if you replace Jerami Grant with Tyler Herro, (and moreso because Tyler makes less money over fewer years) yet we're told all the time that he's worthless. I'm not telling you that Tyler Herro is valuable, just that your stat comparison is worthless.

And that's not getting into the fact that Grant is putting up inflated numbers on a terrible team. Or that you picked terrible contracts/far better players who do far more for team success than Grant (Paul George and Jimmy Butler?!?!?! Really?!?!?!).

Empty stats don't impress me.

I don’t think Herro is worthless. Though he is a similar type to Grant in the sense that his archetype is not as valuable as his skill set would lead somebody to believe. I believe they are each worth about a mid-1st and salary filler that is worse rotation players.

Yes, I agree. That was hyperbole on my part.

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[Butter]

I don't forsee a tangible path for Portland to dump their bad contract to the HEAT. I even see some fans saying the HEAT need to add to the package. This trade doesn't hold water for MANY reasons. Most notably, Grant's contract is among the worst in the league and with the HEAT already having large contracts on their payroll, if a deal doesn't involve either a player that can be a positive acquisition OR cap relief then I am almost positive the HEAT will not even entertain it. Grant isn't it. He's a mid level player on a high level contract. So again and finally, the HEAT are not a prospect for Portland dump Grant's contract.

First, agree, the Blazers and Heat are not good trade partners in this case (again)

Second, I laugh at this, Grant is the worst contract in the league non-sense. Value = cost / benefit. When Grant's 50th overall contract AND his production is compared to equal contracts, he's pretty favorable, especially compared to new contracts as the cap raises.

Feel free to click on these list of links to compare Grant's production at $32 million:


Compare salaries VS. production
Paul George, age 34, @52.8M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/paul-george-202331/jerami-grant-203924

Jimmy Butler, age 34, $49M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/jimmy-butler-202710/jerami-grant-203924

Pascal Siakam, age 30, $47M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/pascal-siakam-1627783/jerami-grant-203924

Zach Lavine, age 29 @ $43M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/zach-lavine-203897/jerami-grant-203924

Michael Porter, age 26, @ $36M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/michael-porter-jr.-1629008/jerami-grant-203924

Kris Middleton, age 32, $31M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/khris-middleton-203114/jerami-grant-203924

Brandon Ingram, age 26, @$31.6M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/brandon-ingram-1627742/jerami-grant-203924

Andrew Wiggins, age 29, $27m
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/andrew-wiggins-203952/jerami-grant-203924

Tobias Harris, age 32 @ $26M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/tobias-harris-202699/jerami-grant-203924

Remarkably, the same works if you replace Jerami Grant with Tyler Herro, (and moreso because Tyler makes less money over fewer years) yet we're told all the time that he's worthless. I'm not telling you that Tyler Herro is valuable, just that your stat comparison is worthless.

And that's not getting into the fact that Grant is putting up inflated numbers on a terrible team. Or that you picked terrible contracts/far better players who do far more for team success than Grant (Paul George and Jimmy Butler?!?!?! Really?!?!?!).

Empty stats don't impress me.

Again, I'm NOT saying the Heat should trade for Grant.

Also, I don't understand the inflated stats argument. Other teams defense are focused on shutting down Grant for most of the year, and he's still getting 20 on good percentages.

Finally, I never said Herro is useless. The only comment I've ever made about him going back to the Dame trade threads is that he would have been redundant to Shaedon Sharp.

[BBallFreak]

First, agree, the Blazers and Heat are not good trade partners in this case (again)

Second, I laugh at this, Grant is the worst contract in the league non-sense. Value = cost / benefit. When Grant's 50th overall contract AND his production is compared to equal contracts, he's pretty favorable, especially compared to new contracts as the cap raises.

Feel free to click on these list of links to compare Grant's production at $32 million:


Compare salaries VS. production
Paul George, age 34, @52.8M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/paul-george-202331/jerami-grant-203924

Jimmy Butler, age 34, $49M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/jimmy-butler-202710/jerami-grant-203924

Pascal Siakam, age 30, $47M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/pascal-siakam-1627783/jerami-grant-203924

Zach Lavine, age 29 @ $43M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/zach-lavine-203897/jerami-grant-203924

Michael Porter, age 26, @ $36M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/michael-porter-jr.-1629008/jerami-grant-203924

Kris Middleton, age 32, $31M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/khris-middleton-203114/jerami-grant-203924

Brandon Ingram, age 26, @$31.6M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/brandon-ingram-1627742/jerami-grant-203924

Andrew Wiggins, age 29, $27m
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/andrew-wiggins-203952/jerami-grant-203924

Tobias Harris, age 32 @ $26M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/tobias-harris-202699/jerami-grant-203924

Remarkably, the same works if you replace Jerami Grant with Tyler Herro, (and moreso because Tyler makes less money over fewer years) yet we're told all the time that he's worthless. I'm not telling you that Tyler Herro is valuable, just that your stat comparison is worthless.

And that's not getting into the fact that Grant is putting up inflated numbers on a terrible team. Or that you picked terrible contracts/far better players who do far more for team success than Grant (Paul George and Jimmy Butler?!?!?! Really?!?!?!).

Empty stats don't impress me.

Again, I'm NOT saying the Heat should trade for Grant.

Also, I don't understand the inflated stats argument. Other teams defense are focused on shutting down Grant for most of the year, and he's still getting 20 on good percentages.

Finally, I never said Herro is useless. The only comment I've ever made about him going back to the Dame trade threads is that he would have been redundant to Shaedon Sharp.

I'm not saying you said any of those things. I'm pointing out the parallels between the two players and the similarity in their value.

As for empty stats, on a good team, Grant might be a 15-17 ppg player and, ideally, come off of the bench, just like Herro. Both are starters but neither is ideal in the role. They're not great defenders, they don't really contribute much else aside from the points scored. They're good players, but they're 6th men types.

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[Butter]

Remarkably, the same works if you replace Jerami Grant with Tyler Herro, (and moreso because Tyler makes less money over fewer years) yet we're told all the time that he's worthless. I'm not telling you that Tyler Herro is valuable, just that your stat comparison is worthless.

And that's not getting into the fact that Grant is putting up inflated numbers on a terrible team. Or that you picked terrible contracts/far better players who do far more for team success than Grant (Paul George and Jimmy Butler?!?!?! Really?!?!?!).

Empty stats don't impress me.

Again, I'm NOT saying the Heat should trade for Grant.

Also, I don't understand the inflated stats argument. Other teams defense are focused on shutting down Grant for most of the year, and he's still getting 20 on good percentages.

Finally, I never said Herro is useless. The only comment I've ever made about him going back to the Dame trade threads is that he would have been redundant to Shaedon Sharp.

I'm not saying you said any of those things. I'm pointing out the parallels between the two players and the similarity in their value.

As for empty stats, on a good team, Grant might be a 15-17 ppg player and, ideally, come off of the bench, just like Herro. Both are starters but neither is ideal in the role. They're not great defenders, they don't really contribute much else aside from the points scored. They're good players, but they're 6th men types.

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It will be interesting to see what happens if/when Grant gets traded to a decent team.

[wadenation305]

:(

POR main goal in any trade for Grant is at least a 1st round pick, at minimum, that needs to come back. Whether they view Ware=1st is up for debate.

I don’t get the hate from MIA fans, you do want to compete for a championship, right? You do want to keep up with the arms race, right? You do want to maximize Butler\Bam’s window, right?

Grant slots in nicely with Herro, Butler, Jacquez & Bam. Definite step up from Martin

A trade could be completed a number of ways. Want to keep Rozier?

Fine, what about, Robinson, Richardson (or similar) + Ware for Grant? Though I suspect POR would want additional draft capital, future protected 1st or multiple 2nd’s, as there is no desire for Robinson.

Honestly, this thread just illustrates the issue b/t POR/MIA. You wanted Dame, but you wanted him for cheap. You will take Grant, but won’t give anything of actual value for him.

As a POR fan I push back on other POR fans saying he is worth (2) 1st’s, but to try and say he isn’t worth one 1st is ridiculous.

Please show me the people lining up to take Grant off your hands. You have a mid-player, and want the trade to have us sending a pick and Ware along with our only PG for an at best lateral move. And a good portion of us are ready to start a youth movement and trade Butler for the best amount of picks we can. We are not trading Jovic, JJJ, or Ware for someone not in the top 10.

I couldn't care less about Dame. The trade is just not good for us at all. Grant is not the difference between winning a championship and not. I'd rather keep the young guys and trade Butler and Herro. Use the assets acquired from there to shoot for a star that becomes disgruntled. Grant is a role player, not a star.

[wadenation305]

I don't forsee a tangible path for Portland to dump their bad contract to the HEAT. I even see some fans saying the HEAT need to add to the package. This trade doesn't hold water for MANY reasons. Most notably, Grant's contract is among the worst in the league and with the HEAT already having large contracts on their payroll, if a deal doesn't involve either a player that can be a positive acquisition OR cap relief then I am almost positive the HEAT will not even entertain it. Grant isn't it. He's a mid level player on a high level contract. So again and finally, the HEAT are not a prospect for Portland dump Grant's contract.

First, agree, the Blazers and Heat are not good trade partners in this case (again)

Second, I laugh at this, Grant is the worst contract in the league non-sense. Value = cost / benefit. When Grant's 50th overall contract AND his production is compared to equal contracts, he's pretty favorable, especially compared to new contracts as the cap raises.

Feel free to click on these list of links to compare Grant's production at $32 million:


Compare salaries VS. production
Paul George, age 34, @52.8M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/paul-george-202331/jerami-grant-203924

Jimmy Butler, age 34, $49M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/jimmy-butler-202710/jerami-grant-203924

Pascal Siakam, age 30, $47M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/pascal-siakam-1627783/jerami-grant-203924

Zach Lavine, age 29 @ $43M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/zach-lavine-203897/jerami-grant-203924

Michael Porter, age 26, @ $36M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/michael-porter-jr.-1629008/jerami-grant-203924

Kris Middleton, age 32, $31M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/khris-middleton-203114/jerami-grant-203924

Brandon Ingram, age 26, @$31.6M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/brandon-ingram-1627742/jerami-grant-203924

Andrew Wiggins, age 29, $27m
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/andrew-wiggins-203952/jerami-grant-203924

Tobias Harris, age 32 @ $26M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/tobias-harris-202699/jerami-grant-203924

From your list. Lavine is rumored to need a sweetener or two just to try to get someone to THINK about taking him from the Bulls. Jimmy wants a max extension and the Heat told him to pump the brakes on that and reconsider after next season. The Pelicans are trying to move Ingram because they do not want to pay him. I do not think anyone thinks Wiggin's is worth what he gets paid. Middleton is a likely candidate to be the target of the Bucks front office to move, and I do not foresee anyone lining up to take him off the Buck's hands. MPJ is also the most likely guy for the CO front office to move, but again no one is going to be rushing to take him off Denver's hands. Tobias Harris signed with the Detroit Pistons, which overpaid him to acquire him because they can't even attract flies to their gym. Ditto for Siakam and the Pacers. The Pacers have a really tough time attracting anyone, so they are going to hold on to anyone they get at all costs.

The only ones I would say are not completely unpalatable are the Siakam and George contracts, and even like that they are overpaid. And depending the Butler contract, because at least from anyone on the list, Butler is the only one that can almost single-handedly drag you to a conference championship.

[Butter]

I don't forsee a tangible path for Portland to dump their bad contract to the HEAT. I even see some fans saying the HEAT need to add to the package. This trade doesn't hold water for MANY reasons. Most notably, Grant's contract is among the worst in the league and with the HEAT already having large contracts on their payroll, if a deal doesn't involve either a player that can be a positive acquisition OR cap relief then I am almost positive the HEAT will not even entertain it. Grant isn't it. He's a mid level player on a high level contract. So again and finally, the HEAT are not a prospect for Portland dump Grant's contract.

First, agree, the Blazers and Heat are not good trade partners in this case (again)

Second, I laugh at this, Grant is the worst contract in the league non-sense. Value = cost / benefit. When Grant's 50th overall contract AND his production is compared to equal contracts, he's pretty favorable, especially compared to new contracts as the cap raises.

Feel free to click on these list of links to compare Grant's production at $32 million:


Compare salaries VS. production
Paul George, age 34, @52.8M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/paul-george-202331/jerami-grant-203924

Jimmy Butler, age 34, $49M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/jimmy-butler-202710/jerami-grant-203924

Pascal Siakam, age 30, $47M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/pascal-siakam-1627783/jerami-grant-203924

Zach Lavine, age 29 @ $43M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/zach-lavine-203897/jerami-grant-203924

Michael Porter, age 26, @ $36M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/michael-porter-jr.-1629008/jerami-grant-203924

Kris Middleton, age 32, $31M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/khris-middleton-203114/jerami-grant-203924

Brandon Ingram, age 26, @$31.6M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/brandon-ingram-1627742/jerami-grant-203924

Andrew Wiggins, age 29, $27m
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/andrew-wiggins-203952/jerami-grant-203924

Tobias Harris, age 32 @ $26M
https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/tobias-harris-202699/jerami-grant-203924

From your list. Lavine is rumored to need a sweetener or two just to try to get someone to THINK about taking him from the Bulls. Jimmy wants a max extension and the Heat told him to pump the brakes on that and reconsider after next season. The Pelicans are trying to move Ingram because they do not want to pay him. I do not think anyone thinks Wiggin's is worth what he gets paid. Middleton is a likely candidate to be the target of the Bucks front office to move, and I do not foresee anyone lining up to take him off the Buck's hands. MPJ is also the most likely guy for the CO front office to move, but again no one is going to be rushing to take him off Denver's hands. Tobias Harris signed with the Detroit Pistons, which overpaid him to acquire him because they can't even attract flies to their gym. Ditto for Siakam and the Pacers. The Pacers have a really tough time attracting anyone, so they are going to hold on to anyone they get at all costs.

The only ones I would say are not completely unpalatable are the Siakam and George contracts, and even like that they are overpaid. And depending the Butler contract, because at least from anyone on the list, Butler is the only one that can almost single-handedly drag you to a conference championship.

Agree with all, the market has really inflated value on a lot of players.

The crazy thing is that the cost for these players continues to go up. Basing contracts fir the 2nd, 3rd or 4th best player based on % is causing maximum salary inflation. That is my primary point with players like Grant.

Yes, his contract is 5 years total, but 3 years from now, his $32M deal is going to be a bargain.