GAMBO: Tyus Jones to Suns

[K_chile22]

...or he plays great for the Suns, and with the added exposure of being on a playoff team, he cashes in on some bizarrely enormous contract from an average team in a year. Could wind up being a great long-term move, could wind up blowing up in his face

This strategy almost never works

Malik Beasley. Malik monk. Kcp. Brook Lopez. Probably missing a few more.

Monk and Lopez were legit room mle or whatever they signed for guys or close to it who turned their careers around. Beasley is averaging like $4.5M a year between this and last season. He could have absolutely at least gotten that.


Kcp has never been remotely close to a minimum contract

[jredsaz]

The Suns' roster is incredible in that they managed to add an absolute steal to their second biggest position of need and this move will almost certainly make them worse.

All of Jones, Beal, Booker, Durant, and Nurkic need the ball (Nurkic because he's so bad at finishing that he needs to do stuff as a hub to get defensive attention). If Durant continues to decline physically, the best defender of those five in their starting lineup will be Devin Booker.

They had to promise Jones a ton of minutes and touches to get him to sign this so I can't see how this will do anything but make them much worse by causing them to have tons of zero POA defender minutes and way fewer touches for Booker and Durant (who have forgotten to move without the ball and refuse to do so at their current age)

So you’re not watching the Olympic team? Booker and Durant are moving. Booker in particular.

[jredsaz]

He wants a champsionship and if he gets one, I'm sure he will make up what he lost in the offseason.

If he wants a championship,he signed with the wrong team.
LOL

Come on bro. Don’t throw rocks in glass houses.

[Hook_Em]

I think some of it was Tyus representation messing things up. There is no way this should have happened. Even if he ends up a MLE backup PG that is better for him than a vet minimum starting role. This is more sad than anything as Tyus is a great PG who deserves better.

P.S I am a Tyus Jones fan and have been for years.

He turned down more money cause he preferred the fit. He’s a multimillionaire regardless. If you’re a fan be happy for him.

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Gambo, Shellburne and some others.

[esvl]

I hope Memphis won’t regret refusing to trade for him with WAS.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

This strategy almost never works

Malik Beasley. Malik monk. Kcp. Brook Lopez. Probably missing a few more.

Monk and Lopez were legit room mle or whatever they signed for guys or close to it who turned their careers around. Beasley is averaging like $4.5M a year between this and last season. He could have absolutely at least gotten that.


Kcp has never been remotely close to a minimum contract

Is the strategy signing below market deals or only vet min deals?

Both monk and Lopez had to take a bargain deal before securing long term money because the market didn’t value them.

[GatherStepGuru]

Malik Beasley. Malik monk. Kcp. Brook Lopez. Probably missing a few more.

Monk and Lopez were legit room mle or whatever they signed for guys or close to it who turned their careers around. Beasley is averaging like $4.5M a year between this and last season. He could have absolutely at least gotten that.


Kcp has never been remotely close to a minimum contract

Is the strategy signing below market deals or only vet min deals?

Both monk and Lopez had to take a bargain deal before securing long term money because the market didn’t value them.

I think the strategy is sign a one-year to let that team get your bird rights, so they can go over the cap to resign you the next year. And also to sign with a good team in a role that lets you showcase to other teams how you contribute to winning, in case your new team can’t afford to bring you back.

Monk and Lopez stayed with their current teams, so those teams could go above the cap to keep their own guy.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Monk and Lopez were legit room mle or whatever they signed for guys or close to it who turned their careers around. Beasley is averaging like $4.5M a year between this and last season. He could have absolutely at least gotten that.


Kcp has never been remotely close to a minimum contract

Monk signed a below market deal with the lakers ?

Brook took a below market deal in 2018

Is the strategy signing below market deals or only vet min deals?

Both monk and Lopez had to take a bargain deal before securing long term money because the market didn’t value them.

I think the strategy is sign a one-year to let that team get your bird rights, so they can go over the cap to resign you the next year. And also to sign with a good team in a role that lets you showcase to other teams how you contribute to winning, in case your new team can’t afford to bring you back.

Monk and Lopez stayed with their current teams, so those teams could go above the cap to keep their own guy.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Monk and Lopez were legit room mle or whatever they signed for guys or close to it who turned their careers around. Beasley is averaging like $4.5M a year between this and last season. He could have absolutely at least gotten that.


Kcp has never been remotely close to a minimum contract

Is the strategy signing below market deals or only vet min deals?

Both monk and Lopez had to take a bargain deal before securing long term money because the market didn’t value them.

I think the strategy is sign a one-year to let that team get your bird rights, so they can go over the cap to resign you the next year. And also to sign with a good team in a role that lets you showcase to other teams how you contribute to winning, in case your new team can’t afford to bring you back.

Monk and Lopez stayed with their current teams, so those teams could go above the cap to keep their own guy.

You only get early bird rights on a one year deal.

[gswhoops]

Is the strategy signing below market deals or only vet min deals?

Both monk and Lopez had to take a bargain deal before securing long term money because the market didn’t value them.

I think the strategy is sign a one-year to let that team get your bird rights, so they can go over the cap to resign you the next year. And also to sign with a good team in a role that lets you showcase to other teams how you contribute to winning, in case your new team can’t afford to bring you back.

Monk and Lopez stayed with their current teams, so those teams could go above the cap to keep their own guy.

You only get early bird rights on a one year deal.

Early bird is 2 years. One year doesn’t give you anything.

[Threezus]

He turned down more money cause he preferred the fit. He’s a multimillionaire regardless. If you’re a fan be happy for him.

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Feel like this is the PR spin of every player that misjudges the market.

Nah this one is sorta correct though as the Hawks by a few of our own reporters have said we offered him more money and a bigger contract than the suns did. But he chose to go to the Suns because of playing time and a starting position. He didn't want to go down to 17 to 20 minutes behind Trae as the starter. Which i can understand but man that sucks i would have really liked him here as our main backup. Delon Wright, Melton, and Tyus were the 3 guys i had hoped we would target this offseason.

[K_chile22]

Malik Beasley. Malik monk. Kcp. Brook Lopez. Probably missing a few more.

Monk and Lopez were legit room mle or whatever they signed for guys or close to it who turned their careers around. Beasley is averaging like $4.5M a year between this and last season. He could have absolutely at least gotten that.


Kcp has never been remotely close to a minimum contract

Is the strategy signing below market deals or only vet min deals?

Both monk and Lopez had to take a bargain deal before securing long term money because the market didn’t value them.

you're answering youself. Monk and Lopez took cheap deals bc its all they could get. I'm sure Tyus could ahve gotten at least close to full MLE money but went all the way to a minimum to start and hope for a bigger deal after that. Players talk about it all the time, once you take a minimum the league sees you as a minimum guy. It almost never works out to where they secure a pay day after the minimum

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Monk and Lopez were legit room mle or whatever they signed for guys or close to it who turned their careers around. Beasley is averaging like $4.5M a year between this and last season. He could have absolutely at least gotten that.


Kcp has never been remotely close to a minimum contract

Is the strategy signing below market deals or only vet min deals?

Both monk and Lopez had to take a bargain deal before securing long term money because the market didn’t value them.

you're answering youself. Monk and Lopez took cheap deals bc its all they could get. I'm sure Tyus could ahve gotten at least close to full MLE money but went all the way to a minimum to start and hope for a bigger deal after that. Players talk about it all the time, once you take a minimum the league sees you as a minimum guy. It almost never works out to where they secure a pay day after the minimum

You are implying thats all they can get. How we know they didn't take a cheaper deal to showcase their talent on a winning team? We seen Lopez turn down money from bad teams recently

[Klomp]

This is something that is better for Tyus than it is for Phoenix.

I makes this year likely now or never for Phoenix. With no Bird rights and over the second apron, Tyus will likely not sign a second minimum with Phoenix, which is all they will be able to offer. They also won't really be able to trade him, unless you figure the fact that his minimum salary doesn't get factored into aggregation, so you could combine him with Okogie, Allen or Nurkic at the trade deadline to increase whatever trade value you can get. That's really the only way he can be used as an asset for Phoenix.

[jredsaz]

This is something that is better for Tyus than it is for Phoenix.

I makes this year likely now or never for Phoenix. With no Bird rights and over the second apron, Tyus will likely not sign a second minimum with Phoenix, which is all they will be able to offer. They also won't really be able to trade him, unless you figure the fact that his minimum salary doesn't get factored into aggregation, so you could combine him with Okogie, Allen or Nurkic at the trade deadline to increase whatever trade value you can get. That's really the only way he can be used as an asset for Phoenix.

I mean not if they win a lot of games and put themselves in a position win a title. Also, if it works out well for Jones that is beneficial to the Suns next offseason when they need to attract other minimum guys. I don’t think you can paint this as bad for the Suns

[shrink]

As a Wolves fan, I had dreams of him coming back home to Minnesota, but they wouldn’t start him over Conley. Mike started 76 games last year, but this season Finch will probably force him to rest more often to stay fresh for the playoffs, so Tyus would probably have received lots of minutes in MIN, but few starts.

The guy that’s probably most frustrated is Monte Morris, who may have chosen PHX on a vet min last week when he expected the starting gig.