Poeltl / Wiggins / Ingram

[babyjax13]

Our capsheet isnt reset even with moving Poeltl, that part makes no sense either. Barrett/IQ/Barnes will keep us from having meaningful capspace for next few years.

I mean in terms of avoiding paying the tax for a bad team. They are a million under now and of they have to extend guys while having Wiggins (or Poeltl) they just have to keep toeing that line. Moving away from it gives them some flexibility. But unless Barrett breaks put for a full season instead of his usual 15 game stretch twice a year, dealing him for expirings might not be a bad idea, either.

Toronto's cap situation is just fine: $10M shy of the tax, and not really at any danger of becoming a taxpayer in the next 3 years.

If Dick or one of their rookies breaks out, they can worry about 2027 . .

They are 10 million below the first apron, they are 1.1 million below the tax line

[oldncreaky]

I mean in terms of avoiding paying the tax for a bad team. They are a million under now and of they have to extend guys while having Wiggins (or Poeltl) they just have to keep toeing that line. Moving away from it gives them some flexibility. But unless Barrett breaks put for a full season instead of his usual 15 game stretch twice a year, dealing him for expirings might not be a bad idea, either.

Toronto's cap situation is just fine: $10M shy of the tax, and not really at any danger of becoming a taxpayer in the next 3 years.

If Dick or one of their rookies breaks out, they can worry about 2027 . .

They are 10 million below the first apron, they are 1.1 million below the tax line

Follow the link

They are at $161.4M for 15 players, including the (just signed) non-guaranteed Bruno Fernandez

Dead cap is only $100K

The "$1M below" includes the cap holds for Nwora, Barton and some Williams I don't even remember -- players who are never coming back

[babyjax13]

Toronto's cap situation is just fine: $10M shy of the tax, and not really at any danger of becoming a taxpayer in the next 3 years.

If Dick or one of their rookies breaks out, they can worry about 2027 . .

They are 10 million below the first apron, they are 1.1 million below the tax line

Follow the link

They are at $161.4M for 15 players, including the (just signed) non-guaranteed Bruno Fernandez

Dead cap is only $100K

The "$1M below" includes the cap holds for Nwora, Barton and some Williams I don't even remember -- players who are never coming back

Ah, you are correct. I still don't love the deal because Wiggins might be dead money, but if they want to swap Jakob for a forward the cap implications aren't as bad as I thought. Thanks!

[xdrta+]

Toronto's cap situation is just fine: $10M shy of the tax, and not really at any danger of becoming a taxpayer in the next 3 years.

If Dick or one of their rookies breaks out, they can worry about 2027 . .

They are 10 million below the first apron, they are 1.1 million below the tax line

Follow the link

They are at $161.4M for 15 players, including the (just signed) non-guaranteed Bruno Fernandez

Dead cap is only $100K

The "$1M below" includes the cap holds for Nwora, Barton and some Williams I don't even remember -- players who are never coming back

Odd to include those, since cap holds are ignored when adding up team salary for tax purposes.

[BuddyBuckets]

No from Pels, this is a real sell low on Ingram deal and the filler doesn't address any needs really.

Thank you for your input. At this point, what kind of "sell high" or good value do you think Pels will get for Ingram? I suppose you'd rather take it to the trade deadline and see what offers arise, which is a fair, realistic path they'll probably go. But even then, what good offer will arise?

Siakam went for a role player Bruce Brown, and 3 bad 1sts. 2 in a bad draft, (they used pick 19 for Jocaby Walter... and the other low 1st to get Olynyk and Agbaji...). And Siakam is better than Ingram.

And how does Poeltl not address any needs, really? He's a quality starting Center who's really good at the things Pels are lacking. He's not a 3 pt. shooter, but i think you're underrating his value in the nuances of basketball.

I was referring to GPII and Moody as the filler, Poeltl is okay but I think the Pels will try and work out an extension for Ingram when he builds his value back up. Once extended they can see what the market it like for him or if CJ is indeed the one to be shipped out for a centre of some sort.

[Tripod]

Raps are not trading their starting C, with no replacement. Creating a big hole for no reason.

[Coxy]

I don't really have an issue with the value from the Warriors side, just the fit. Not sure Ingram is the guy.

[MessiahUjiri]

Toronto's cap situation is just fine: $10M shy of the tax, and not really at any danger of becoming a taxpayer in the next 3 years.

If Dick or one of their rookies breaks out, they can worry about 2027 . .

They are 10 million below the first apron, they are 1.1 million below the tax line

Follow the link

They are at $161.4M for 15 players, including the (just signed) non-guaranteed Bruno Fernandez

Dead cap is only $100K

The "$1M below" includes the cap holds for Nwora, Barton and some Williams I don't even remember -- players who are never coming back

Yeah, there’s a $7.9M hold for players who are not actually coming back.

Realistically Toronto is about $9M under the tax…I expect they’ll take on salary in an eventual trade mid season where they pickup future assets.