Lakers-Pelicans-Jazz :: Ingram to Lakers

[zimpy27]

Lakers get Ingram, Alvarado, lesser of CLE/MIN25FRP
Lakers give DLo, Vando, Vincent, LAL27FRP(unprotect), LAL29FRP(unprotected), best of LAL/LAC25SRP
Alvarado, Reaves, Ingram, LeBron, Davis -- JHS, Christie, Knecht, Rui, Wood
Lakers bring back Ingram and a POA defender in Alvarado. They also open up a spot for a free agent to join so they can get a player that fits whatever need is open.

Jazz get Vincent, LAL27FRP(unprotect), LAL29FRP(unprotected), best of LAL/LAC25SRP
Jazz give Kessler, lesser of CLE/MIN25FRP
Jazz take on a salary but doesn't encroach on the money to max Lauri. They will have unprotected Lakers pick in 27 and 29. They effectively swap their worst FRP in 25 for Lakers best SRP.

Pelicans get Kessler, Vando, DLo
Pelicans give Ingram, Alvarado
Murray, CJ, Herb, Zion, Kessler -- DLo, Hawkins, Trey, Vando, Theis
Pelicans get a starting C, a large expiring backup PG in DLo and a locked in PF to back up Zion and provide active defense off the bench.

[Godaddycurse]

The 25 1st should go to NOP

[kobe_vs_jordan]

The 25 1st should go to NOP

Think lakers need a pick in year 25 for the trade to be legal.

[Godaddycurse]

The 25 1st should go to NOP

Think lakers need a pick in year 25 for the trade to be legal.

Why? You still own 2026 and 2028

[nzahir]

So I have thought about BI to the Lakers, but just not sure he is worth it

He will want to get paid next year and he is a meh fit

He may give us a higher ceiling, but really unsure

Also only doing this deal if we can get a backup C elsewhere with some sort of combo of JHS, 1st, swaps, 2nds, Hayes, Lewis

Sign Fultz and a wing probbaly makes sense

Still probably better idea to go after Cam Johnson as this new team lacks 3 point shooting

Edit: Would this also work if we moved Rui instead of Dlo? Can add Hayes and or Lewis for salary if needed

Would need some sort of playable wing back somehow though

[zimpy27]

So I have thought about BI to the Lakers, but just not sure he is worth it

He will want to get paid next year and he is a meh fit

He may give us a higher ceiling, but really unsure

Also only doing this deal if we can get a backup C elsewhere with some sort of combo of JHS, 1st, swaps, 2nds, Hayes, Lewis

Sign Fultz and a wing probbaly makes sense

Still probably better idea to go after Cam Johnson as this new team lacks 3 point shooting

Edit: Would this also work if we moved Rui instead of Dlo? Can add Hayes and or Lewis for salary if needed

Would need some sort of playable wing back somehow though

Wouldn't want to keep DLo if getting BI.
Point of BI is having him on ball with Reaves and LeBron. 2 on the court at all times, sometimes with Alvarado as a 3rd. Pelicans need DLo more to replace what they lose from BI on offense.

I don't think Lakers need Fultz either. Someone like Cedi is fine.

CamJ would be great but price seems steep based off fans impressions. And Lakers would need to keep DLo for playmaking if they get CamJ. I kind of prefer Lakers finding another on ball creator to replace DLo, someone that I think could do better in the playoffs.

The resulting team in OP is for playoffs and I could see Reaves, BI, LeBron, Rui, Davis as the starting or ending unit. Ingram has some utility as a guard defender I recall from Lakers days.

[nzahir]

So I have thought about BI to the Lakers, but just not sure he is worth it

He will want to get paid next year and he is a meh fit

He may give us a higher ceiling, but really unsure

Also only doing this deal if we can get a backup C elsewhere with some sort of combo of JHS, 1st, swaps, 2nds, Hayes, Lewis

Sign Fultz and a wing probbaly makes sense

Still probably better idea to go after Cam Johnson as this new team lacks 3 point shooting

Edit: Would this also work if we moved Rui instead of Dlo? Can add Hayes and or Lewis for salary if needed

Would need some sort of playable wing back somehow though

Wouldn't want to keep DLo if getting BI.
Point of BI is having him on ball with Reaves and LeBron. 2 on the court at all times, sometimes with Alvarado as a 3rd.

Pelicans need DLo more to replace what they lose from BI on offense.

I don't think Lakers need Fultz either. Someone like Cedi is fine.

So who is going to make 3s for us?

Dlo is a very good catch and shoot 3 point guy

1.8 3s on 4.1 attempts on 43%

41% the other year too on 1.5 makes

Doesnt need to just be on the ball

Going for BI is a huge change in terms of how we will play

I think we are probably better off not changing too much there and upgrading around the same group

We have 3 potential options (at least if we view guys like Trae Young and Markennan as out)

1) BKN deal with Cam
2) Por deal with Grant
3) NOLA deal with BI

If I could pick it would be to get Cam and then a backup C

Next domino is Lauri, in a few days we will know if he is being moved or wont. I think that will help the rest of FA move along

[zimpy27]

So I have thought about BI to the Lakers, but just not sure he is worth it

He will want to get paid next year and he is a meh fit

He may give us a higher ceiling, but really unsure

Also only doing this deal if we can get a backup C elsewhere with some sort of combo of JHS, 1st, swaps, 2nds, Hayes, Lewis

Sign Fultz and a wing probbaly makes sense

Still probably better idea to go after Cam Johnson as this new team lacks 3 point shooting

Edit: Would this also work if we moved Rui instead of Dlo? Can add Hayes and or Lewis for salary if needed

Would need some sort of playable wing back somehow though

Wouldn't want to keep DLo if getting BI.
Point of BI is having him on ball with Reaves and LeBron. 2 on the court at all times, sometimes with Alvarado as a 3rd.

Pelicans need DLo more to replace what they lose from BI on offense.

I don't think Lakers need Fultz either. Someone like Cedi is fine.

So who is going to make 3s for us?

Dlo is a very good catch and shoot 3 point guy

1.8 3s on 4.1 attempts on 43%

41% the other year too on 1.5 makes

Doesnt need to just be on the ball

Going for BI is a huge change in terms of how we will play

I think we are probably better off not changing too much there and upgrading around the same group

We have 3 potential options (at least if we view guys like Trae Young and Markennan as out)

1) BKN deal with Cam
2) Por deal with Grant
3) NOLA deal with BI

If I could pick it would be to get Cam and then a backup C

Next domino is Lauri, in a few days we will know if he is being moved or wont. I think that will help the rest of FA move along

So CamJ addition would require Lakers to keep DLo and trade Rui, something like Dlo, Reaves, CamJ, LeBron, Davis -- Christie, Knecht, Vando. They would be a better shooting team and RS team but I think a worse playoffs team than Reaves, BI, Rui, LeBron, Davis -- Alvarado, Christie, Knecht, VetMin (Cedi).

I do like the CamJ or BI options.

Jerami Grant option is terrible.

[zimpy27]

The 25 1st should go to NOP

You think Ingram is worth Kessler, DLo, Vando, lesser MIN/CLE25FRP?

[Godaddycurse]

The 25 1st should go to NOP

You think Ingram is worth Kessler, DLo, Vando, lesser MIN/CLE25FRP?

yes. Dlo and Vando are neutral fillers to me. I dont think you can get another team to swap expiring + more value for them, hence just plain fillers.

I have Kessler worth 1 non premium first. Ingram is worth ~2 non premium 1sts

[zimpy27]

The 25 1st should go to NOP

You think Ingram is worth Kessler, DLo, Vando, lesser MIN/CLE25FRP?

yes. Dlo and Vando are neutral fillers to me. I dont think you can get another team to swap expiring + more value for them, hence just plain fillers.

I have Kessler worth 1 non premium first. Ingram is worth ~2 non premium 1sts

Are Jazz getting too much for Kessler then?


Kessler+MIN/CLE(lesser)

For

Vincent+LAL27FRP(unprotect exisiting top 4)+LAL29FRP(unprotected)+LAL/LAC25SRP(better)

Seems Kessler is.valued more than 1 non premium first here?

[R-DAWG]

Utah is getting wayyyyyyy too much value for Kessler here.

[DanishLakerFan]

Too much for Kessler.
LA might be better off giving up a fraction of the price and get a guy like Dorian Finney-Smith during the season.

[jazzfan1971]

Maybe you take the 2nd from Utah and turn that 29 first into a swap instead.

Then it's just remove 4 picks of protection which is likely nothing and a swap which also might end up as nothing.

Not moving him for less than that.

[nzahir]

Wouldn't want to keep DLo if getting BI.
Point of BI is having him on ball with Reaves and LeBron. 2 on the court at all times, sometimes with Alvarado as a 3rd.

Pelicans need DLo more to replace what they lose from BI on offense.

I don't think Lakers need Fultz either. Someone like Cedi is fine.

So who is going to make 3s for us?

Dlo is a very good catch and shoot 3 point guy

1.8 3s on 4.1 attempts on 43%

41% the other year too on 1.5 makes

Doesnt need to just be on the ball

Going for BI is a huge change in terms of how we will play

I think we are probably better off not changing too much there and upgrading around the same group

We have 3 potential options (at least if we view guys like Trae Young and Markennan as out)

1) BKN deal with Cam
2) Por deal with Grant
3) NOLA deal with BI

If I could pick it would be to get Cam and then a backup C

Next domino is Lauri, in a few days we will know if he is being moved or wont. I think that will help the rest of FA move along

So CamJ addition would require Lakers to keep DLo and trade Rui, something like Dlo, Reaves, CamJ, LeBron, Davis -- Christie, Knecht, Vando. They would be a better shooting team and RS team but I think a worse playoffs team than Reaves, BI, Rui, LeBron, Davis -- Alvarado, Christie, Knecht, VetMin (Cedi).

I do like the CamJ or BI options.

Jerami Grant option is terrible.

You may be right that the 2nd team could be better in the playoffs

But I really would worry about the 3 point shooting

Would need to at least sign a guy like Bertans, if not trade for a guy like Kispert with JHS and salary filler

Could also move Rui for a guy like DFS if we want to be more switchy and I trust him to shoot 3s more than Rui (who had a very solid year last year, but volume was not super high)

Is DFS still qucik enough to guard 2-3s is the question though

What about Markennan? Would you prefer CamJ or BI or Lauri if it cost Dlo/Rui, unprotecting 2027, 2029 unrpotected, 2031 with light protections, a 28 swap, and a 2030 swap? JHS? Knecht?

Reaves, Christie, Markennan, Bron, AD
Dlo?, Knecht, Vando, Rui?, Wood

Then need to go out and move whatever is left (2nds, JHS, Lewis) for a backup C and then look into moving Dlo/Rui for a more switchy 2/3 with more experience than Christie in case

Could include less picks/swaps and throw in Reaves, but want to try and keep him and just give up all the picks

[zimpy27]

So who is going to make 3s for us?

Dlo is a very good catch and shoot 3 point guy

1.8 3s on 4.1 attempts on 43%

41% the other year too on 1.5 makes

Doesnt need to just be on the ball

Going for BI is a huge change in terms of how we will play

I think we are probably better off not changing too much there and upgrading around the same group

We have 3 potential options (at least if we view guys like Trae Young and Markennan as out)

1) BKN deal with Cam
2) Por deal with Grant
3) NOLA deal with BI

If I could pick it would be to get Cam and then a backup C

Next domino is Lauri, in a few days we will know if he is being moved or wont. I think that will help the rest of FA move along

So CamJ addition would require Lakers to keep DLo and trade Rui, something like Dlo, Reaves, CamJ, LeBron, Davis -- Christie, Knecht, Vando. They would be a better shooting team and RS team but I think a worse playoffs team than Reaves, BI, Rui, LeBron, Davis -- Alvarado, Christie, Knecht, VetMin (Cedi).

I do like the CamJ or BI options.

Jerami Grant option is terrible.

You may be right that the 2nd team could be better in the playoffs

But I really would worry about the 3 point shooting

Would need to at least sign a guy like Bertans, if not trade for a guy like Kispert with JHS and salary filler

Could also move Rui for a guy like DFS if we want to be more switchy and I trust him to shoot 3s more than Rui (who had a very solid year last year, but volume was not super high)

Is DFS still qucik enough to guard 2-3s is the question though

What about Markennan? Would you prefer CamJ or BI or Lauri if it cost Dlo/Rui, unprotecting 2027, 2029 unrpotected, 2031 with light protections, a 28 swap, and a 2030 swap? JHS? Knecht?

Reaves, Christie, Markennan, Bron, AD
Dlo?, Knecht, Vando, Rui?, Wood

Then need to go out and move whatever is left (2nds, JHS, Lewis) for a backup C and then look into moving Dlo/Rui for a more switchy 2/3 with more experience than Christie in case

Could include less picks/swaps and throw in Reaves, but want to try and keep him and just give up all the picks

Reaves, BI, Rui, Knecht, Christie should all be decent 3 shooters.

Lakers could sign shooting for their last spot, Bertans or McDermott.

I think Rui is the better player to stick with over DFS, I'd upgrade Rui to CamJ but I think DFS is a downgrade at this point.

Lauri would be great and at that price you gave I'd definitely take him over others. Lakers would definitely need to keep DLo in a Lauri trade. LeBron, Davis, Markannen and Wood should be a sufficient PF/C rotation.

Vincent, Reaves, Lauri, LeBron, Davis
DLo, Christie, Vando, Wood

But I don't see Lakers outcompeting other offers for Lauri. He'd fit nice with GSW, Pels, OKC.

BI is actually a great option for Lakers. Reaves, BI, LeBron, Rui, Davis is a starting/closing 5 I could trust in the playoffs. You look for 2 more guys to step up out of Alvarado, Christie, Knecht, Wood

[nzahir]

So CamJ addition would require Lakers to keep DLo and trade Rui, something like Dlo, Reaves, CamJ, LeBron, Davis -- Christie, Knecht, Vando. They would be a better shooting team and RS team but I think a worse playoffs team than Reaves, BI, Rui, LeBron, Davis -- Alvarado, Christie, Knecht, VetMin (Cedi).

I do like the CamJ or BI options.

Jerami Grant option is terrible.

You may be right that the 2nd team could be better in the playoffs

But I really would worry about the 3 point shooting

Would need to at least sign a guy like Bertans, if not trade for a guy like Kispert with JHS and salary filler

Could also move Rui for a guy like DFS if we want to be more switchy and I trust him to shoot 3s more than Rui (who had a very solid year last year, but volume was not super high)

Is DFS still qucik enough to guard 2-3s is the question though

What about Markennan? Would you prefer CamJ or BI or Lauri if it cost Dlo/Rui, unprotecting 2027, 2029 unrpotected, 2031 with light protections, a 28 swap, and a 2030 swap? JHS? Knecht?

Reaves, Christie, Markennan, Bron, AD
Dlo?, Knecht, Vando, Rui?, Wood

Then need to go out and move whatever is left (2nds, JHS, Lewis) for a backup C and then look into moving Dlo/Rui for a more switchy 2/3 with more experience than Christie in case

Could include less picks/swaps and throw in Reaves, but want to try and keep him and just give up all the picks

Reaves, BI, Rui, Knecht, Christie should all be decent 3 shooters.

Lakers could sign shooting for their last spot, Bertans or McDermott.

I think Rui is the better player to stick with over DFS, I'd upgrade Rui to CamJ but I think DFS is a downgrade at this point.

Lauri would be great and at that price you gave I'd definitely take him over others. Lakers would definitely need to keep DLo in a Lauri trade. LeBron, Davis, Markannen and Wood should be a sufficient PF/C rotation.

Vincent, Reaves, Lauri, LeBron, Davis
DLo, Christie, Vando, Wood

But I don't see Lakers outcompeting other offers for Lauri. He'd fit nice with GSW, Pels, OKC.

BI is actually a great option for Lakers. Reaves, BI, LeBron, Rui, Davis is a starting/closing 5 I could trust in the playoffs. You look for 2 more guys to step up out of Alvarado, Christie, Knecht, Wood

BI and Rui aren't high volume guys

Nobody there is an elite 3 point shooter, or at least not proven to be

Dlo, Vincent, Vando, Rui, JHS, Hayes, and Lewis=about 66m in salary
BI, Alvarado, and CamJ=61.5m. Sharpe puts you at about 66m

Even if you could do this all, do we even have enough players really?

Reaves, CamJ, BI, Bron, AD
Alvarado, Christie, Knecht, Wood, Sharpe
Bronny, Cam Reddish

Maybe need a C that costs 2m like Reath and then can have enough to sign another vet min

On the Lauri topic, if we got him, I still think we should get 1 bruising C. Get rid of Hayes. Rui is gone in the deal or another one. Can keep Wood for insurance, but can also move him as he would have no role when we are healthy

The more I look into everything, I am way less interested in Grant

I need someone like Cranjis Mcbasketball to look into all these options

[marcush]

I think Pels would value Ingram higher than Kessler and filler. Rekon they would want an unprotected FRP at least on top of Kessler.

[zimpy27]

You may be right that the 2nd team could be better in the playoffs

But I really would worry about the 3 point shooting

Would need to at least sign a guy like Bertans, if not trade for a guy like Kispert with JHS and salary filler

Could also move Rui for a guy like DFS if we want to be more switchy and I trust him to shoot 3s more than Rui (who had a very solid year last year, but volume was not super high)

Is DFS still qucik enough to guard 2-3s is the question though

What about Markennan? Would you prefer CamJ or BI or Lauri if it cost Dlo/Rui, unprotecting 2027, 2029 unrpotected, 2031 with light protections, a 28 swap, and a 2030 swap? JHS? Knecht?

Reaves, Christie, Markennan, Bron, AD
Dlo?, Knecht, Vando, Rui?, Wood

Then need to go out and move whatever is left (2nds, JHS, Lewis) for a backup C and then look into moving Dlo/Rui for a more switchy 2/3 with more experience than Christie in case

Could include less picks/swaps and throw in Reaves, but want to try and keep him and just give up all the picks

Reaves, BI, Rui, Knecht, Christie should all be decent 3 shooters.

Lakers could sign shooting for their last spot, Bertans or McDermott.

I think Rui is the better player to stick with over DFS, I'd upgrade Rui to CamJ but I think DFS is a downgrade at this point.

Lauri would be great and at that price you gave I'd definitely take him over others. Lakers would definitely need to keep DLo in a Lauri trade. LeBron, Davis, Markannen and Wood should be a sufficient PF/C rotation.

Vincent, Reaves, Lauri, LeBron, Davis
DLo, Christie, Vando, Wood

But I don't see Lakers outcompeting other offers for Lauri. He'd fit nice with GSW, Pels, OKC.

BI is actually a great option for Lakers. Reaves, BI, LeBron, Rui, Davis is a starting/closing 5 I could trust in the playoffs. You look for 2 more guys to step up out of Alvarado, Christie, Knecht, Wood

BI and Rui aren't high volume guys

Nobody there is an elite 3 point shooter, or at least not proven to be

Dlo, Vincent, Vando, Rui, JHS, Hayes, and Lewis=about 66m in salary
BI, Alvarado, and CamJ=61.5m. Sharpe puts you at about 66m

Even if you could do this all, do we even have enough players really?

Reaves, CamJ, BI, Bron, AD
Alvarado, Christie, Knecht, Wood, Sharpe
Bronny, Cam Reddish

Maybe need a C that costs 2m like Reath and then can have enough to sign another vet min

On the Lauri topic, if we got him, I still think we should get 1 bruising C. Get rid of Hayes. Rui is gone in the deal or another one. Can keep Wood for insurance, but can also move him as he would have no role when we are healthy

The more I look into everything, I am way less interested in Grant

I need someone like Cranjis Mcbasketball to look into all these options

Well DLo, Vando, Vincent averaged 6.2 3PA per 100 per player last season.
Ingram, Alvarado averaged 7.7 3PA per 100 per player last season.

Lakers also added Knecht who should add to 3PA. I think 3s will improve overall.


The key for me though is that Lakers seem pretty happy with Reaves, Rui, LeBron, Davis in the playoffs.

They obviously like Christie, I think they like Vando but he's unreliable with injuries. So ultimately I think DLo and Vincent are gone. And in that case playmaking has to come back. It's that's simple IMO.

If you want to predict the Lakers move, work out how to move DLo+Vincent in to an upgraded player with playmaking and backup big.

This is why I think DLo+Vincent+Wood+pick compensation for Brogdon+Valanciunas is the most likely trade to actually happen in real life.
Brogdon, Reaves, LeBron, Rui, Davis -- Christie, Knecht, Vando, Val

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Like the idea. Think some pitfalls is pelicans don't need Dlo. They need Jose more.

Dropping Jose and Swapping D-Lo for Rui should work financially.

Dlo/ JHS
Christie/ Reeves
Ingram/ Ketch
Lebron/whoever
Davis/whoever