tor/por/cle - dwarf scottie barnes to toronto

[Tim Lehrbach]

RealGM Trades and Transactions doesn't value Simons at a first-round pick. I'm not sure he pulls one myself. But any trade where a team gives up a first for Simons in DOA here.

[toooskies]

I'd cut Toronto out of this, as it would be a no to a deal with Simons anyways. He's one of the worst defenders in the league and not the type of player MU looks for in the guard position - IQ, Mitchell, Shead, Walter, all known for their defense.

As for Brown's putrid stats last year, it seems it has more to do with him battling a knee injury most of the season than anything else. Suggesting it's because he's not in Denver - though a legitimate possibility, as Jokic makes everyone better - negates why the Nuggets signed Brown in the first place. Brown's prior 3 seasons in Detroit and Brooklyn saw him establish himself as a defensive player with timely offense - a great off the bench player.

I agree with Godaddycurse, as in Denver, he was clearly one of the top-six players all season long and was a key piece in their championship run. He was underpaid in Denver and definitely overpaid in Indy, but they wanted salary filler for a bigger trade anyways.

He was one of Denver's top six because their seventh and eighth guys were Jeff Green and Christian Braun. Not to dump on them too much because they kept Denver's bench afloat in a title year and both outperformed expectations, but it wasn't terribly hard to be Denver's best bench player.

Last year was the first year anybody decided to pay Brown like a 6th man/starter instead of an end-of-the-rotation guy. It didn't work out.

Even with Merrill on the roster. Simons is better than Merrill, but not $20M+ better.

There's no reason to compare Simons with any player on the roster besides the one he's replacing in the trade.

That's seems a little silly. If he's redundant with who we already have, it matters. If he's expensive and redundant, it matters more. Brown is capable of playing passable defense and is on an expiring contract.

Simons takes 10 shots a game inside the arc and Merrill takes 1. They are not at all a redundancy.

[bgrep14]

Laverts better than Brown. Cavs would have to give up Niang and no picks to do this trade.

[JRoy]

Laverts better than Brown. Cavs would have to give up Niang and no picks to do this trade.

Who doesn’t want another minivan?

[Jermaine OBosh]

I would do this trade, don't need to involve Portland.

Cleveland

Caris LeVert & Dean Wade
25 MIL 2nd
27 DEN 2nd

For

Bruce Brown

Cavs add a little toughness & stability to their backcourt which should make things easier for their frontcourt

[docholliday99]

He was one of Denver's top six because their seventh and eighth guys were Jeff Green and Christian Braun. Not to dump on them too much because they kept Denver's bench afloat in a title year and both outperformed expectations, but it wasn't terribly hard to be Denver's best bench player.

Last year was the first year anybody decided to pay Brown like a 6th man/starter instead of an end-of-the-rotation guy. It didn't work out.

I'm not sure you recall that Brown was doing that for 3 seasons prior to Denver in Detroit and Brooklyn; and last year, you still won't acknowledge Brown playing with a knee injury. You say you don't want to dump on him too much, yet it seems rather disingenuous to simply look at last season to make your determinations moving forward.

[toooskies]

He was one of Denver's top six because their seventh and eighth guys were Jeff Green and Christian Braun. Not to dump on them too much because they kept Denver's bench afloat in a title year and both outperformed expectations, but it wasn't terribly hard to be Denver's best bench player.

Last year was the first year anybody decided to pay Brown like a 6th man/starter instead of an end-of-the-rotation guy. It didn't work out.

I'm not sure you recall that Brown was doing that for 3 seasons prior to Denver in Detroit and Brooklyn; and last year, you still won't acknowledge Brown playing with a knee injury. You say you don't want to dump on him too much, yet it seems rather disingenuous to simply look at last season to make your determinations moving forward.

Denver only paid him $6.5 million. On most rosters that's 8th man money. Before that he was making even less.

I acknowledge he played on a knee injury. If you play badly while injured you shouldn't play at all.

[BK_2020]

What difference does it make to a player's talent-level how much he's getting paid? Bruce Brown has started over 60% of his games and averaged 25 mpg. That's 6th/7th man minutes on any team, and he's been doing that since he was a rookie, for multiple teams and coaches. You may think Bruce Brown is an end-of-rotation player but 5 NBA coaches disagree with you.

[mcfly1204]

We all understand that Cleveland would not touch this deal with a 10 foot pole, right?

[Ell Curry]

I could see this if TOR didnt have IQ - but I think they would be nuts to move assets for another small guard that is well paid.

Also just drafted 2 shooting guards with 1st rounders (Dick, Walter), some people think RJ should play there (I think he's a 3, but others disagree), and this next draft is loaded at SG.

This deal might see us end up with the 11th pick, conveying it to Portland and then where the hell are we?

[wegotthabeet]

if they made another Pöltl like trade with 2025 pick for a mid player like Simons I'd become a Knick fan.

[wegotthabeet]

We all understand that Cleveland would not touch this deal with a 10 foot pole, right?

it's pronounced Toronto.

[jbk1234]

I would do this trade, don't need to involve Portland.

Cleveland

Caris LeVert & Dean Wade
25 MIL 2nd
27 DEN 2nd

For

Bruce Brown

Cavs add a little toughness & stability to their backcourt which should make things easier for their frontcourt

The Cavs would not do that trade. Wade is the most valuable piece in it.

[JRoy]

I would do this trade, don't need to involve Portland.

Cleveland

Caris LeVert & Dean Wade
25 MIL 2nd
27 DEN 2nd

For

Bruce Brown

Cavs add a little toughness & stability to their backcourt which should make things easier for their frontcourt

The Cavs would not do that trade. Wade is the most valuable piece in it.

5 ppg Dean Wade?

[mcfly1204]

I would do this trade, don't need to involve Portland.

The Cavs would not do that trade. Wade is the most valuable piece in it.

5 ppg Dean Wade?

Cleveland's most versatile wing defender who shot 39% on 3.73PA last year who is set to make $6 million the next two seasons Dean Wade.

[JRoy]

The Cavs would not do that trade. Wade is the most valuable piece in it.

5 ppg Dean Wade?

Cleveland's most versatile wing defender who shot 39% on 3.73PA last year who is set to make $6 million the next two seasons Dean Wade.

So better fit and contract.

[oldncreaky]

I with the other Raptor fans: I see no point in Toronto giving up good picks to add a scoring guard (Simons). Toronto should be more patient with their rebuild.