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Who in their right mind would trade the #6 pick in the draft for Tari Eason lmao
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You are talking about a 20 mpg guy with TS% of .520 and 36% from the three on low volume, can't get to the rim or finish at the rim, can't pass, can't shoot, an undersized energy big who tries hard on defense and on the boards. If my team was picking 6th in the draft and ended up with someone like that I would be livid.
Let's not forget he got blocked 84 times in just 104 games. He gets basically every 10th shot blocked.
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You are talking about a 20 mpg guy with TS% of .520 and 36% from the three on low volume, can't get to the rim or finish at the rim, can't pass, can't shoot, an undersized energy big who tries hard on defense and on the boards. If my team was picking 6th in the draft and ended up with someone like that I would be livid.
Let's not forget he got blocked 84 times in just 104 games. He gets basically every 10th shot blocked.
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louc1970 wrote:I have no agenda. Every fan overvalues their teams players. It is that simple.
Eason is a reserve and Rocket fans want him to get Gobert value. Same as Pelicans fans valuing Murphy and Jones. same as....
I asked before, and will ask again, what do think Eason is worth on the trade market? Who do YOU see as has equals?
Gobert value? You don't say...
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Using 2100 minutes of on/off data of a roleplayer to argue that he's elite and deserves to be valued like a 4-time DPOY.
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BK_2020 wrote:Using 2100 minutes of on/off data of a roleplayer to argue that he's elite and deserves to be valued like a 4-time DPOY.
Well, the thread was started by a Cavs fan who values Eason that highly. Of course if the Cavs loved Tari as much as JJ_PR and many Cavs fans did during the draft, they would have drafted him instead of Agbaji, so, I suspect a disconnect.
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BK_2020 wrote:Using 2100 minutes of on/off data of a roleplayer to argue that he's elite and deserves to be valued like a 4-time DPOY.
I never said he should be valued like a 4 time DPOY. That was the other dude’s nonsense.
Y’all should keep your lies straight. Your agendas are showing.
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ThatBoyNick wrote:louc1970 wrote:I have no agenda. Every fan overvalues their teams players. It is that simple.
Eason is a reserve and Rocket fans want him to get Gobert value. Same as Pelicans fans valuing Murphy and Jones. same as....
I asked before, and will ask again, what do think Eason is worth on the trade market? Who do YOU see as has equals?
The crux of the issue is Houston would have no business trading Eason for market value. It takes a stupid overpay to get something somebody doesn’t want to sell.
If Eason was theoretically going for market value, I think a single pick in the 6-10 range depending on the draft and who’s available
Or two picks in the 12-16 range, or 3+ late first in the 18+ range
Would be fair market value using picks as the barometer. But again, what good does that do if he’s not available for that price. Similar to say Lively for the Mavs, or say Aaron Gordon for the Nuggets, why would vital role players who make significant impacts for their team just be sold for market value?
I would say he is worth what Avdija pulled. There are just so many young players that are being overvalued.
At their current salary they are good pieces to have. But when they start asking for Herro monies they quickly become overpaid.
Avdija, Vassell, Murphy, Eason, Sharpe, Murray, etc are all players their fans love but too often overvalued.
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louc1970 wrote:I would say he is worth what Avdija pulled. There are just so many young players that are being overvalued.
At their current salary they are good pieces to have. But when they start asking for Herro monies they quickly become overpaid.
Avdija, Vassell, Murphy, Eason, Sharpe, Murray, etc are all players their fans love but too often overvalued.
Off the bat we're not that far off in value, I said two picks in the 12-16 range, Avdija pulled #14 + a future first that could land in the same range, and 2nds.
Most of the players you listed are good 2-way players with NBA size and athletecism, there's a reason why young guys with those attributes are viewed highly. They have high floors as winning players that could become even better. Teams generally don't trade those players until they have a better understanding of what their ceilings are, unless it's in a package for a star, or they get a great offer.
You don't want to potentially trade the Mikal Bridges or OG Anunoby of tomorrow early in their rookie contract for a mediocre return just because.
BK_2020 wrote:Who in their right mind would trade the #6 pick in the draft for Tari Eason lmao
Tidjane Salaun was selected with #6 this year, the kid is really young, has good physical tools, could be great, but I don't think it's crazy to value Eason in a similar value range, I don't know who'd be seen as the winner if Houston would have traded Eason for 6/him on draft night, maybe I'm just a crazy homer. In a deeper draft, it could be closer to the 10th pick. Hence 6-10 range.
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louc1970 wrote:ThatBoyNick wrote:louc1970 wrote:I have no agenda. Every fan overvalues their teams players. It is that simple.
Eason is a reserve and Rocket fans want him to get Gobert value. Same as Pelicans fans valuing Murphy and Jones. same as....
I asked before, and will ask again, what do think Eason is worth on the trade market? Who do YOU see as has equals?
The crux of the issue is Houston would have no business trading Eason for market value. It takes a stupid overpay to get something somebody doesn’t want to sell.
If Eason was theoretically going for market value, I think a single pick in the 6-10 range depending on the draft and who’s available
Or two picks in the 12-16 range, or 3+ late first in the 18+ range
Would be fair market value using picks as the barometer. But again, what good does that do if he’s not available for that price. Similar to say Lively for the Mavs, or say Aaron Gordon for the Nuggets, why would vital role players who make significant impacts for their team just be sold for market value?
I would say he is worth what Avdija pulled. There are just so many young players that are being overvalued.
At their current salary they are good pieces to have. But when they start asking for Herro monies they quickly become overpaid.
Avdija, Vassell, Murphy, Eason, Sharpe, Murray, etc are all players their fans love but too often overvalued.
Avdija is under contract for another 4 years. I agree somewhat on the rest of them, but you always hold on to your talent that produces at an NBA starter level at a young age.
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Kiss of Death wrote:BK_2020 wrote:Using 2100 minutes of on/off data of a roleplayer to argue that he's elite and deserves to be valued like a 4-time DPOY.
I never said he should be valued like a 4 time DPOY. That was the other dude’s nonsense.
Y’all should keep your lies straight. Your agendas are showing.
Of all the posts in this thread, it's you whose agenda is most obvious. Relax, you're not getting a cut on Eason's next deal.
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Again, Houston is probably internally higher on Eason than any other team, is this offer a theoretically reasonable value? maybe, but the objective of teams and GMs isn't "win as many trade value-wise as possible." it's "ending up with the best team on the floor at some point" One can win every trade and ends up with the worst team in the league for 5 year and no obvious way out.
Also, value and leverage are relative to needs, Cleveland needs an SF far more than Houston "needs" to trade Tari Eason.
A trade largely based around Dillon Brooks for Levert (debate who needs to throw in a bit more, need wise this probably makes more sense for Cleveland, but Brooks contract is longer. which may or may not be a value depending on who you ask.) is a far more plausible trade given where both team is at.
Also, value and leverage are relative to needs, Cleveland needs an SF far more than Houston "needs" to trade Tari Eason.
A trade largely based around Dillon Brooks for Levert (debate who needs to throw in a bit more, need wise this probably makes more sense for Cleveland, but Brooks contract is longer. which may or may not be a value depending on who you ask.) is a far more plausible trade given where both team is at.
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RollingWave wrote:Again, Houston is probably internally higher on Eason than any other team, is this offer a theoretically reasonable value? maybe, but the objective of teams and GMs isn't "win as many trade value-wise as possible." it's "ending up with the best team on the floor at some point" One can win every trade and ends up with the worst team in the league for 5 year and no obvious way out.
Also, value and leverage are relative to needs, Cleveland needs an SF far more than Houston "needs" to trade Tari Eason.
A trade largely based around Dillon Brooks for Levert (debate who needs to throw in a bit more, need wise this probably makes more sense for Cleveland, but Brooks contract is longer. which may or may not be a value depending on who you ask.) is a far more plausible trade given where both team is at.
ZERO interest in Brooks EVER putting on a Cavs jersey, personally. But if the Cavs decided he was worth kicking the tires on, Houston would be adding, NO doubt in my mind...
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ThatBoyNick wrote:louc1970 wrote:I would say he is worth what Avdija pulled. There are just so many young players that are being overvalued.
At their current salary they are good pieces to have. But when they start asking for Herro monies they quickly become overpaid.
Avdija, Vassell, Murphy, Eason, Sharpe, Murray, etc are all players their fans love but too often overvalued.
Off the bat we're not that far off in value, I said two picks in the 12-16 range, Avdija pulled #14 + a future first that could land in the same range, and 2nds.
Most of the players you listed are good 2-way players with NBA size and athletecism, there's a reason why young guys with those attributes are viewed highly. They have high floors as winning players that could become even better. Teams generally don't trade those players until they have a better understanding of what their ceilings are, unless it's in a package for a star, or they get a great offer.
You don't want to potentially trade the Mikal Bridges or OG Anunoby of tomorrow early in their rookie contract for a mediocre return just because.BK_2020 wrote:Who in their right mind would trade the #6 pick in the draft for Tari Eason lmao
Tidjane Salaun was selected with #6 this year, the kid is really young, has good physical tools, could be great, but I don't think it's crazy to value Eason in a similar value range, I don't know who'd be seen as the winner if Houston would have traded Eason for 6/him on draft night, maybe I'm just a crazy homer. In a deeper draft, it could be closer to the 10th pick. Hence 6-10 range.
I guess the big issue I have is when do teams let their young players start leading or cut bait. The young guys are going to want to be paid according their potential. The team is either going to agree or hold to paying what the player has actually done (makes sense for both sides).
But if a team is deep, the young players are never going to get that 35-40 minute run a star gets.
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wemby wrote:Kiss of Death wrote:BK_2020 wrote:Using 2100 minutes of on/off data of a roleplayer to argue that he's elite and deserves to be valued like a 4-time DPOY.
I never said he should be valued like a 4 time DPOY. That was the other dude’s nonsense.
Y’all should keep your lies straight. Your agendas are showing.
Of all the posts in this thread, it's you whose agenda is most obvious. Relax, you're not getting a cut on Eason's next deal.
My agenda:
Posting FACTS and actual statistics that make people's obviously wrong opinions look silly.
'The Rockets CANNOT POSSIBLY WIN with Amen as a starter!'
Obviously they can and they have. Wanna see proof? Check the actual record. Not some random dude's opinion.
That's what is wrong with this site. People never let facts and reality get in the way of their narrative.
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Don't take things so literally. When people say "They Cannot Win" they don't win literally, or win regular season games in March when everybody's tanking or sitting guys to heal. They mean win playoff series against good opponents that will gameplan against your weaknesses.
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