CHI | LAL | WAS: Is this the solve to the LaVine trade?

[drosestruts]

Lavine definitely a better first/ 2nd option but We are talking about Lavine being a 3rd option spot up shooter behind LeBron and AD touches. Hard seeing him coming anywhere close to averaging 27 PPG in LA.

LaVine is very much a #2 or 2B at the least with LeBron and AD.

How many shot attempts you see available for him? Would get the shot opportunities of a 3rd option playing behind LeBron and AD.

If we look at FGAs and Usage

Bulls 2022-23 when Zach played 77 games:

LaVine - 18 FGAs, 28% USG%

DeRozan - 17.6 FGAs, 27% USG%

Vucevic - 14 FGAs, 22% USG%

Lakers 2023-24

LeBron - 17.9 FGAs, 29% USG%

AD - 17 FGAs, 26% USG%

Russell - 14 FGAs, 23% USG%

Rui - 10 FGAs, 18.5% USG%


I don't see much of an issue getting Zach the requisite shot attempts for him to be impactful in LA. In any theoretical Zach trade it's likely Russell and Rui are sent out, Zach shoots less than those two combined, and scores more efficiently.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

LaVine is very much a #2 or 2B at the least with LeBron and AD.

How many shot attempts you see available for him? Would get the shot opportunities of a 3rd option playing behind LeBron and AD.

If we look at FGAs and Usage

Bulls 2022-23 when Zach played 77 games:

LaVine - 18 FGAs, 28% USG%

DeRozan - 17.6 FGAs, 27% USG%

Vucevic - 14 FGAs, 22% USG%

Lakers 2023-24

LeBron - 17.9 FGAs, 29% USG%

AD - 17 FGAs, 26% USG%

Russell - 14 FGAs, 23% USG%

Rui - 10 FGAs, 18.5% USG%


I don't see much of an issue getting Zach the requisite shot attempts for him to be impactful in LA. In any theoretical Zach trade it's likely Russell and Rui are sent out, Zach shoots less than those two combined, and scores more efficiently.

i don’t see lavine as a third option behind lebron impacting winning more than Dlo 18/6 and rui efficient scoring.

Zach peaks as a 22/4 player next to lebron and AD. Is that that much more impactful than 18/6.

[zimpy27]

The solve for a LaVine trade is if Lakers also get back 2 other players good enough for a playoff rotation. That would be a backup C and backup G.

Lakers lose Rui, DLo, Vincent in a trade for LaVine.

Reaves, Lavine, Vando, LeBron, Davis
Knecht

[Karmaloop]

It's a different version with the same flaw for the Bulls. You treat Gabe Vincent like an $11.5M poker chip amd nothing more. Take a look at the Bulls roster, they have Jevon Carter at $6.5M and then a player option. so you're sending them Vincent at $11.5M with 2 years, so they need 2 6 foot PG who are or used to be good defenders but aren't great shooters of late. They can't buy them out but would probably be better off with neither of them and keeping Duarte at 6-7. Add to that the not as remote chance that Lonzo Ball returns and Vincent and Carter never play. Getting Hachimura, Vanderbilt and Wood shores up their front court by volume but they take minutes from Phillips and Buzellis who were just drafted and are the future.

At this point, I don't think the Bulls can be choosers when they're the ones looking to unload LaVine. If this was a situation where there were multiple suitors for LaVine, I'd agree.

[nzahir]

The solve for a LaVine trade is if Lakers also get back 2 other players good enough for a playoff rotation. That would be a backup C and backup G.

Lakers lose Rui, DLo, Vincent in a trade for LaVine.

Reaves, Lavine, Vando, LeBron, Davis
Knecht

We also need a backup/starting 2 way wing, but try and figure it out

So lets say we send out Rui, Dlo, Vincent, and Hayes

Thats 49.5m.

We can also include JHS and Maxwell Lewis: 5.9. So 55.4m is the max we can send out in this 1 deal I think

Lavine is 43m
Center: 2-4m (Duop Reath, Kessler, Sharpe)

So 45-47m is mandatory

Tari Eason: 3.7m
Dean Wade: 6.2m

Jarace Walker?: 6.3m
Mathurin?: 7.2m

Any other names that make sense?

Can also seperate out JHS and add another vet min (Reddish or Wood) with him

Sign Fultz

Reaves, Lavine, ??, Bron, AD
Fultz, Christie, Knecht, Vando, Reath/Kessler/Sharpe
Bronny, Wood, Lewis/vet min?

[zimpy27]

The solve for a LaVine trade is if Lakers also get back 2 other players good enough for a playoff rotation. That would be a backup C and backup G.

Lakers lose Rui, DLo, Vincent in a trade for LaVine.

Reaves, Lavine, Vando, LeBron, Davis
Knecht

We also need a backup/starting 2 way wing, but try and figure it out

So lets say we send out Rui, Dlo, Vincent, and Hayes

Thats 49.5m.

We can also include JHS and Maxwell Lewis: 5.9. So 55.4m is the max we can send out in this 1 deal I think

Lavine is 43m
Center: 2-4m (Duop Reath, Kessler, Sharpe)

So 45-47m is mandatory

Tari Eason: 3.7m
Dean Wade: 6.2m

Jarace Walker?: 6.3m
Mathurin?: 7.2m

Any other names that make sense?

Can also seperate out JHS and add another vet min (Reddish or Wood) with him

Sign Fultz

Reaves, Lavine, ??, Bron, AD
Fultz, Christie, Knecht, Vando, Reath/Kessler/Sharpe
Bronny, Wood, Lewis/vet min?

The trade I see getting LaVine with is involving Portland as the 3rd team.

Bulls have the Portland FRP they can return to get Portland interested in giving up some of their decent cheap contracts (Reath, Toumani).


Lakers get LaVine, Reath, Toumani

Portland get Wood, POR25FRP

Bulls get DLo, Rui, Vincent, LAL25SRP


Something like this above trade gives Lakers a vet min to use on Fultz or you can get Banton from Blazers too.

LaVine, Reaves, Vando, LeBron, Davis
Fultz/Banton, Christie, Knecht, Toumani, Reath
JHS, Bronny, Reddish, Lewis, Hayes

[nzahir]

The solve for a LaVine trade is if Lakers also get back 2 other players good enough for a playoff rotation. That would be a backup C and backup G.

Lakers lose Rui, DLo, Vincent in a trade for LaVine.

Reaves, Lavine, Vando, LeBron, Davis
Knecht

We also need a backup/starting 2 way wing, but try and figure it out

So lets say we send out Rui, Dlo, Vincent, and Hayes

Thats 49.5m.

We can also include JHS and Maxwell Lewis: 5.9. So 55.4m is the max we can send out in this 1 deal I think

Lavine is 43m
Center: 2-4m (Duop Reath, Kessler, Sharpe)

So 45-47m is mandatory

Tari Eason: 3.7m
Dean Wade: 6.2m

Jarace Walker?: 6.3m
Mathurin?: 7.2m

Any other names that make sense?

Can also seperate out JHS and add another vet min (Reddish or Wood) with him

Sign Fultz

Reaves, Lavine, ??, Bron, AD
Fultz, Christie, Knecht, Vando, Reath/Kessler/Sharpe
Bronny, Wood, Lewis/vet min?

The trade I see getting LaVine with is involving Portland as the 3rd team.

Bulls have the Portland FRP they can return to get Portland interested in giving up some of their decent cheap contracts (Reath, Toumani).


Lakers get LaVine, Reath, Toumani

Portland get Wood, POR25FRP

Bulls get DLo, Rui, Vincent, LAL25SRP


Something like this above trade gives Lakers a vet min to use on Fultz or you can get Banton from Blazers too.

LaVine, Reaves, Vando, LeBron, Davis
Fultz/Banton, Christie, Knecht, Toumani, Reath
JHS, Bronny, Reddish, Lewis, Hayes

Bulls are getting off too easily here off of Lavine

Dlo was 18 ppg on 41.5% from 3 on high volume and a good assist to TO ratio
Rui is a fringe starting forward

Lavine last year wasn't even as good as Dlo. Yes he had injuries and was on a bad team, but there is a chance he just isn't the guy from 2-3 years ago

We are not giving up our 2nd thats for sure. I think Chi needs to either add Ayo or give up 1-2 2nds. 1-2 2nds is most realistic though. Also moving Hayes and keeping Wood

The question is who can JHS (and guys like Reddish, Banton/Toumani and Lewis if needed for salary) plus some combo of 2029 1st, 2nds, swaps get you

That is the biggest part

We need a wing who can close games if Vando isn't that guy

[zimpy27]

We also need a backup/starting 2 way wing, but try and figure it out

So lets say we send out Rui, Dlo, Vincent, and Hayes

Thats 49.5m.

We can also include JHS and Maxwell Lewis: 5.9. So 55.4m is the max we can send out in this 1 deal I think

Lavine is 43m
Center: 2-4m (Duop Reath, Kessler, Sharpe)

So 45-47m is mandatory

Tari Eason: 3.7m
Dean Wade: 6.2m

Jarace Walker?: 6.3m
Mathurin?: 7.2m

Any other names that make sense?

Can also seperate out JHS and add another vet min (Reddish or Wood) with him

Sign Fultz

Reaves, Lavine, ??, Bron, AD
Fultz, Christie, Knecht, Vando, Reath/Kessler/Sharpe
Bronny, Wood, Lewis/vet min?

The trade I see getting LaVine with is involving Portland as the 3rd team.

Bulls have the Portland FRP they can return to get Portland interested in giving up some of their decent cheap contracts (Reath, Toumani).


Lakers get LaVine, Reath, Toumani

Portland get Wood, POR25FRP

Bulls get DLo, Rui, Vincent, LAL25SRP


Something like this above trade gives Lakers a vet min to use on Fultz or you can get Banton from Blazers too.

LaVine, Reaves, Vando, LeBron, Davis
Fultz/Banton, Christie, Knecht, Toumani, Reath
JHS, Bronny, Reddish, Lewis, Hayes

Bulls are getting off too easily here off of Lavine

Dlo was 18 ppg on 41.5% from 3 on high volume and a good assist to TO ratio
Rui is a fringe starting forward

Lavine last year wasn't even as good as Dlo. Yes he had injuries and was on a bad team, but there is a chance he just isn't the guy from 2-3 years ago

We are not giving up our 2nd thats for sure. I think Chi needs to either add Ayo or give up 1-2 2nds. 1-2 2nds is most realistic though. Also moving Hayes and keeping Wood

The question is who can JHS (and guys like Reddish, Banton/Toumani and Lewis if needed for salary) plus some combo of 2029 1st, 2nds, swaps get you

That is the biggest part

We need a wing who can close games if Vando isn't that guy

Toumani is probably the best piece from Portland, Lakers would want to keep him, he looks like a strong wing option. You should watch some footage on him.

I think Vando is that guy but injury prone. They could get Craig from Bulls.

Yabusele would be a perfect fit for Lakers honestly.

[nzahir]

The trade I see getting LaVine with is involving Portland as the 3rd team.

Bulls have the Portland FRP they can return to get Portland interested in giving up some of their decent cheap contracts (Reath, Toumani).


Lakers get LaVine, Reath, Toumani

Portland get Wood, POR25FRP

Bulls get DLo, Rui, Vincent, LAL25SRP


Something like this above trade gives Lakers a vet min to use on Fultz or you can get Banton from Blazers too.

LaVine, Reaves, Vando, LeBron, Davis
Fultz/Banton, Christie, Knecht, Toumani, Reath
JHS, Bronny, Reddish, Lewis, Hayes

Bulls are getting off too easily here off of Lavine

Dlo was 18 ppg on 41.5% from 3 on high volume and a good assist to TO ratio
Rui is a fringe starting forward

Lavine last year wasn't even as good as Dlo. Yes he had injuries and was on a bad team, but there is a chance he just isn't the guy from 2-3 years ago

We are not giving up our 2nd thats for sure. I think Chi needs to either add Ayo or give up 1-2 2nds. 1-2 2nds is most realistic though. Also moving Hayes and keeping Wood

The question is who can JHS (and guys like Reddish, Banton/Toumani and Lewis if needed for salary) plus some combo of 2029 1st, 2nds, swaps get you

That is the biggest part

We need a wing who can close games if Vando isn't that guy

Toumani is probably the best piece from Portland, Lakers would want to keep him, he looks like a strong wing option. You should watch some footage on him.

I think Vando is that guy but injury prone. They could get Craig from Bulls.

Yabusele would be a perfect fit for Lakers honestly.

Idk if Toumani is a closing 5 guy currently

Maybe could be, but do I trust that?

If we are getting Lavine, there needs to be some sort of solution to get another playoff contributor since we should still have our 1sts and swaps

Were like 6 weeks away from practice, if we want to make a deal it should be soon so JJ can be ready

[zimpy27]

Bulls are getting off too easily here off of Lavine

Dlo was 18 ppg on 41.5% from 3 on high volume and a good assist to TO ratio
Rui is a fringe starting forward

Lavine last year wasn't even as good as Dlo. Yes he had injuries and was on a bad team, but there is a chance he just isn't the guy from 2-3 years ago

We are not giving up our 2nd thats for sure. I think Chi needs to either add Ayo or give up 1-2 2nds. 1-2 2nds is most realistic though. Also moving Hayes and keeping Wood

The question is who can JHS (and guys like Reddish, Banton/Toumani and Lewis if needed for salary) plus some combo of 2029 1st, 2nds, swaps get you

That is the biggest part

We need a wing who can close games if Vando isn't that guy

Toumani is probably the best piece from Portland, Lakers would want to keep him, he looks like a strong wing option. You should watch some footage on him.

I think Vando is that guy but injury prone. They could get Craig from Bulls.

Yabusele would be a perfect fit for Lakers honestly.

Idk if Toumani is a closing 5 guy currently

Maybe could be, but do I trust that?

If we are getting Lavine, there needs to be some sort of solution to get another playoff contributor since we should still have our 1sts and swaps

Were like 6 weeks away from practice, if we want to make a deal it should be soon so JJ can be ready

In the real world I don't expect Rob to make a big move. Likely nothing happens until mid season.

[DanishLakerFan]

Not interested in Zach LaVine's earthly remains.

[drosestruts]

Zach LaVine's injury was loose bone fragments in his ankle, which the surgery solved.

I see so many people treating his injury like some death sentence for his career, when honestly, loose bone fragments (and surgeries to address them) seem to be a fairly common NBA injury.

I see no reason he doesn't return to the player he was for the three years prior to the one injury affected season.

[Karmaloop]

Zach LaVine's injury was loose bone fragments in his ankle, which the surgery solved.

I see so many people treating his injury like some death sentence for his career, when honestly, loose bone fragments (and surgeries to address them) seem to be a fairly common NBA injury.

I see no reason he doesn't return to the player he was for the three years prior to the one injury affected season.

And that's fine. But he's still coming off a season-ending injury that saw him miss more than 75% of the games and the prior 5 seasons, he's averaged 65 GP which would be just less than 80% possible games played over that period. So it's not like he's a guy who has been really healthy, and had an injury-plagued year. He's a talented scoring guard who is probably going to miss between 14-18 games a year. Players coming off injuries rarely fetch anywhere near close to their full value in trades.

[Karmaloop]

OP is definitely way too convoluted. How about this?

Chicago Bulls Receive:
PG D'Angelo Russell
PF Rui Hachimura
C Marvin Bagley

LA Lakers Receive:
SG Zach LaVine

Washington Wizards Receive:
PG Gabe Vincent (acquire via TPE)
PG Jevon Carter

And then add pick(s) as needed. Either the Blazers' pick goes to Washington and a slew of SRPs go to LA, or the FRP goes to LA and a couple of SRPs go to Washington is my general thought.

[JB2]

OP is definitely way too convoluted. How about this?

Chicago Bulls Receive:
PG D'Angelo Russell
PF Rui Hachimura
C Marvin Bagley

LA Lakers Receive:
SG Zach LaVine

Washington Wizards Receive:
PG Gabe Vincent (acquire via TPE)
PG Jevon Carter

And then add pick(s) as needed. Either the Blazers' pick goes to Washington and a slew of SRPs go to LA, or the FRP goes to LA and a couple of SRPs go to Washington is my general thought.

The holes created by trading 3 of the Lakers core is just not justified enough for the return being only Zach Lavine. I'm not even sure that the LA version of Lavine is a better fit than D'lo but once you factor in Zach's contract term and having to include two other key role players, any trade for him feels like a huge step backwards.

Nothing about Gabe or Rui are untouchable but without them you're asking JHS (a hot mess of a rookie) and Reddish (a hot mess of a career) to essentially fill in those 18-24 MPG roles. Reaves becomes starting PG - and only with real NBA skills. Knecht is also forced into a large role out the gate and Max Christie is your best bench player. Without Rui/D'lo/Vincent's contracts, you've really got no salary for future trades. I can't get behind any of that whatsoever. Thankfully, it seems Rob feels the same.

AD, Hayes, Wood
LeBron, Reddish
Vando, Knecht, Lewis
Lavine, Max
Reaves, JHS, Bronny

or

AD, Hayes, Wood
LeBron, Rui, Reddish
Vando, Knecht, Lewis
Reaves, Max, JHS
D'lo, Gabe, Bronny


The bottom looks substantially better. Big hell no to Lavine for LA

[wemby]

That's really bad for Washington. Christie and Lewis are completely valueless. The Lakers would need a protected FRP to actually make this worthwhile for Washington.

DLo is expiring and Lewis only has 100K guaranteed beyond next year, so essentially he is as well. It comes down to how the Wizards feel about Christie, I think he's worth a look and don't have him as negative value at his contract, so considering Brogdon's trade value is almost non existant, I don't see any way for the Wizards to get a FRP in this deal. They can easily be cut out.

[JRoy]

The solve for a LaVine trade is if Lakers also get back 2 other players good enough for a playoff rotation. That would be a backup C and backup G.

Lakers lose Rui, DLo, Vincent in a trade for LaVine.

Reaves, Lavine, Vando, LeBron, Davis
Knecht

We also need a backup/starting 2 way wing, but try and figure it out

So lets say we send out Rui, Dlo, Vincent, and Hayes

Thats 49.5m.

We can also include JHS and Maxwell Lewis: 5.9. So 55.4m is the max we can send out in this 1 deal I think

Lavine is 43m
Center: 2-4m (Duop Reath, Kessler, Sharpe)

So 45-47m is mandatory

Tari Eason: 3.7m
Dean Wade: 6.2m

Jarace Walker?: 6.3m
Mathurin?: 7.2m

Any other names that make sense?

Can also seperate out JHS and add another vet min (Reddish or Wood) with him

Sign Fultz

Reaves, Lavine, ??, Bron, AD
Fultz, Christie, Knecht, Vando, Reath/Kessler/Sharpe
Bronny, Wood, Lewis/vet min?

The trade I see getting LaVine with is involving Portland as the 3rd team.

Bulls have the Portland FRP they can return to get Portland interested in giving up some of their decent cheap contracts (Reath, Toumani).


Lakers get LaVine, Reath, Toumani

Portland get Wood, POR25FRP

Bulls get DLo, Rui, Vincent, LAL25SRP


Something like this above trade gives Lakers a vet min to use on Fultz or you can get Banton from Blazers too.

LaVine, Reaves, Vando, LeBron, Davis
Fultz/Banton, Christie, Knecht, Toumani, Reath
JHS, Bronny, Reddish, Lewis, Hayes

Pass for POR.

That owed pick will be a SRP, Wood is garbage.

Better to keep Toumani and Reath for a better deal.

[DanishLakerFan]

Deal can't happen till October 4th and would require teams like Chicago and Washington to buy out some current players, but it's still the offseason where teams can carry up to 20 players so hopefully can work.


Chicago in: Rui Hachimura, Gabe Vincent, Jarred Vanderbilt, and Christian Wood
Chicago out: Zach LaVine and Torrey Craig

To complete the trade Chicago releases Bitim and buys out Duarte. It gets them off Zach's deal which seems to be their primary goal along with getting younger - which is accomplished via the additions of Vanderbilt and Rui.

Bulls create additional room below the tax which could prove useful if they find any takers for Vucevic in a future trade.


Lakers in: Zach LaVine, Malcolm Brogdon, and Torrey Craig
Lakers out: D'Angelo Russell, Rui Hachimura, Gabe Vincent, Jarred Vanderbilt, Max Christie, Christian Wood, and Maxwell Lewis

Lakers add a third star and players capable of scoring a lot of points on great efficiency in LaVine. They also add two players that should fit pretty seamlessly in Brogdon and Craig. I personally really like the idea of a Brogdon-LaVine-Craig-James-Davis starting 5 with Reaves and Knecht coming off the bench. Lakers after the trade will need to round out the roster with some vet min signings.

It's an aggressive move to maximize the remaining years of LeBron James' career.


Washington in: D'Angelo Russell, Max Christie, and Maxwell Lewis
Washington out: Malcolm Brogdon

Washington will have to release some non-guranteed players or buyout some players (they have a few players on expiring deals that don't appear to be part of any long-term plans that would make sense i.e. Gill and Omoruyi).

Washington exchanges expiring veteran point guards while adding two young prospects in Christie and Lewis to continue adding young talent to their roster. They take on money while staying below to the tax to help facilitate the trade, and for doing so get two young players. They remain below the tax.

LaVine-deals to LA are difficult because his deal is so expensive that LA has to give up several rotation pieces and still end up with more holes in their rotation at the wing, back-up C positions as well as defense at the guard position, which LaVine doesn't solve. If Caruso was still in Chicago it would be easier.

Another problem is that LaVine's contract run through 2027 which essentially takes the Lakers out of free agency in 2026, so they have to believe LaVine+AD+Lebron is going to work, because they wont be able to get out of it.

Now, this does adress the defensive issue a little bit, but its still an overpay for Brogdon who really isn't much an upgrade from D'Lo tbh. The only way a LaVine deal would make sense if if the LAkers had a few other deals lined up that would fill out the empty roster spots and address the needs a G, Wing and C.