Clax-ican (No Ingram)

[Texas Chuck]

Yeah put me down as this is plenty of value as well. Good player. Going to play half the game or a bit more on a contender, but likely not close many of them. That has value, but it doesn't have limitless value. We have seen this with defensive center after defensive center, yet very few here adjust values down to meet the market.

Look at Utah shopping their defensive center--and he hasn't even gotten paid yet--and we had posters on this board still demanding top 5 picks for a guy Utah was getting offered 2nds for.

Clint Capela couldn't be given away.

He's useful. He's a good player. He's never returning a premium.

[esvl]

Clax is a top defensive centre in this league. The Nets should make him available for overpayment type of offers only.

If Claxton is a top defensive center in the league why were the Nets so bad on defense? They supposedly had a top defensive wing in this league (Bridges) and two top 3&D wings (DFS & Royce O'Neal). They were the 20th best defense in the league.

We have to ask the Nets fans. I am just sharing my impression of his performances I watched. He looks quite legit on defence.

[JKiddy]

He is one of the best big man defenders I have seen in decades. The major thing is he needs a strong cast around him on offense to showcase his offense abilities as he can shoot, is an unreal lob threat, can rim run, and is great of the PnR. He is a super high percentage shooter close in and has expanded his range over the years. I can see the Nets let him shoot some 3s as this season does not truly "count" in my of management/ownership's eyes as this is the pause/rebuild year before they make a possible splash next offseason or the following deadline.

I would not trade him for this. The Nets would not either. He is worth much more to the Nets than other teams so I agree with you in that this offer is way below his true market value. He might end up being that good for them.

[BK_2020]

He can rim run that's really it. Saying that four times in different ways doesn't make him a versatile offensive threat.

[Texas Chuck]

He can rim run that's really it. Saying that four times in different ways doesn't make him a versatile offensive threat.

Doesn't have to be versatile to be an effective offensive threat though. Plenty of guys in the league who are boons to offense doing nothing more than running hard to the rim and finishing. Many of them much more effective offensive players than more versatile players like a Boogie Cousins who waste a lot of possessions doing inefficient things in the name of skill.

I think the player is getting overvalued by many. But he is a good defensive player with an offensive skill that allows him to stay on the court. We shouldn't dismiss that because one poster loves every Nets player and thinks they are GOATish.

[JRoy]

He’s no Dwight Powell.

[BK_2020]

He can rim run that's really it. Saying that four times in different ways doesn't make him a versatile offensive threat.

Doesn't have to be versatile to be an effective offensive threat though. Plenty of guys in the league who are boons to offense doing nothing more than running hard to the rim and finishing. Many of them much more effective offensive players than more versatile players like a Boogie Cousins who waste a lot of possessions doing inefficient things in the name of skill.

I think the player is getting overvalued by many. But he is a good defensive player with an offensive skill that allows him to stay on the court. We shouldn't dismiss that because one poster loves every Nets player and thinks they are GOATish.

While acknowledging that being a good rim runner and lob finisher is a useful skill, it's probably on the low end of offensive skills hierarchy because you need to be matched up with the right player and you can be schemed out of the game. We just saw that in the 24 finals where Lively and Gafford combined for less than 38 mpg despite playing next to basically the best lob creator in the game since prime Harden. On the Pelicans who are running their offense through Zion, a good rim runner is just standing in the dunker spot unless the Pelicans want to marginalize Zion, Herb Jones and Trey Murphy instead so they can spam CJ and Nic Claxton pick and rolls.

[Texas Chuck]

We just saw that in the 24 finals where Lively and Gafford combined for less than 38 mpg despite playing next to basically the best lob creator in the game since prime Harden..

Conversely before playing the best team by a large margin in the league we saw Gafford and Lively(and Jones) finish more lobs individually than any other entire team in the playoffs in the first 3 rounds.

Boston choosing to never leave the big and having elite defenders all over the court isn't really showcasing that rim runners aren't effective and ignoring how dominant the Mavs bigs were prior to that is cherry picking and pointless.

Yes ideally every big could play offense like Jokic while playing defense like Gobert. And maybe Wemby gets close(though he'll never pass like Jokic). But in general its better to be elite at some thing valuable than okayish at everything.

[Colbinii]

He is one of the best big man defenders I have seen in decades.

Oh come on.