Which team would benefit the most with Ingram?
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I always thought GSW was his best fit.
That team could use another dynamic scorer to help Curry on offense. Ingram could be that true 2nd option.
That team could use another dynamic scorer to help Curry on offense. Ingram could be that true 2nd option.
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kobe_vs_jordan wrote:Would be a good fit on Grizzlies .
Ja
Bane
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JJJ
Edey
How do you get him there?
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I think Lakers are a great fit.
- They need iso scoring because little movement with LeBron and Davis
- Ingram can defend 1-5 even though an average defender, the flexibility is useful for Lakers with players they have.
- Ingram loved loving in LA and JJ was a mentor
Downside is not a volume 3 shooter but I think Knecht will be.
- They need iso scoring because little movement with LeBron and Davis
- Ingram can defend 1-5 even though an average defender, the flexibility is useful for Lakers with players they have.
- Ingram loved loving in LA and JJ was a mentor
Downside is not a volume 3 shooter but I think Knecht will be.
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louc1970 wrote:kobe_vs_jordan wrote:Would be a good fit on Grizzlies .
Ja
Bane
Ingram
JJJ
Edey
How do you get him there?
Smart to pelicans. Clarke plus assets for a center that makes under 20 million.
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zimpy27 wrote:I think Lakers are a great fit.
- They need iso scoring because little movement with LeBron and Davis
- Ingram can defend 1-5 even though an average defender, the flexibility is useful for Lakers with players they have.
- Ingram loved loving in LA and JJ was a mentor
Downside is not a volume 3 shooter but I think Knecht will be.
Would match up with Denver well. Have somebody MPJ height to contest his wide open looks Vs the lakers. Have some length to play help D on Murray.
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kobe_vs_jordan wrote:zimpy27 wrote:I think Lakers are a great fit.
- They need iso scoring because little movement with LeBron and Davis
- Ingram can defend 1-5 even though an average defender, the flexibility is useful for Lakers with players they have.
- Ingram loved loving in LA and JJ was a mentor
Downside is not a volume 3 shooter but I think Knecht will be.
Would match up with Denver well. Have somebody MPJ height to contest his wide open looks Vs the lakers. Have some length to play help D on Murray.
Yeah was thinking Murray.
Reaves, Ingram, Rui, LeBron, Davis
Would be Lakers answer to Nuggets and Wolves
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OGSactownballer wrote:toooskies wrote:Ingram on the Spurs next to Wemby makes sense to me to propel them into contender-ish status as a #2 who handles the ball a lot. But the Spurs have the cap space to get him next year in free agency and they might prefer to only be giving him 5% raises rather than the 8% he'd be due if they traded for him now.
Cannot see Ingram as a number two anywhere that it’s a team that is actually solidly a playoff team and definitely not a contender.
If that’s the take here then it is automatically severely limiting a young Spurs team that will have a lot of salaries to pay for more talented young players going forward.
This. Ingram is a #2 only on a bad team. He’s the classic #3 guy and you can’t pay those guys max anymore. See Zach Lavine.
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vxmike wrote:OGSactownballer wrote:toooskies wrote:Ingram on the Spurs next to Wemby makes sense to me to propel them into contender-ish status as a #2 who handles the ball a lot. But the Spurs have the cap space to get him next year in free agency and they might prefer to only be giving him 5% raises rather than the 8% he'd be due if they traded for him now.
Cannot see Ingram as a number two anywhere that it’s a team that is actually solidly a playoff team and definitely not a contender.
If that’s the take here then it is automatically severely limiting a young Spurs team that will have a lot of salaries to pay for more talented young players going forward.
This. Ingram is a #2 only on a bad team. He’s the classic #3 guy and you can’t pay those guys max anymore. See Zach Lavine.
Compare/contrast with Middleton.
(I don't think Middleton was ever on a max deal and don't think Ingram deserves one either, but he was definitely Milwaukee's #2 on offense.)
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toooskies wrote:vxmike wrote:OGSactownballer wrote:
Cannot see Ingram as a number two anywhere that it’s a team that is actually solidly a playoff team and definitely not a contender.
If that’s the take here then it is automatically severely limiting a young Spurs team that will have a lot of salaries to pay for more talented young players going forward.
This. Ingram is a #2 only on a bad team. He’s the classic #3 guy and you can’t pay those guys max anymore. See Zach Lavine.
Compare/contrast with Middleton.
(I don't think Middleton was ever on a max deal and don't think Ingram deserves one either, but he was definitely Milwaukee's #2 on offense.)
About 400 TS added differential over their careers, Middleton was in all likelihood a much better defender at his peak.
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165bows wrote:toooskies wrote:vxmike wrote:
This. Ingram is a #2 only on a bad team. He’s the classic #3 guy and you can’t pay those guys max anymore. See Zach Lavine.
Compare/contrast with Middleton.
(I don't think Middleton was ever on a max deal and don't think Ingram deserves one either, but he was definitely Milwaukee's #2 on offense.)
About 400 TS added differential over their careers, Middleton was in all likelihood a much better defender at his peak.
Well, we're not talking about entire career or peak, we're talking about being a #2 on a title team, where Middleton put up a 38 TS add in the regular season and only had a 55% TS in the playoffs.
He was also a few years older than Ingram is now in the title season and had the MVP of the league next to him taking defensive attention. Middleton's usage is consistently lower than Ingram's, Ingram has been the #1/#1b and has taken a corresponding efficiency hit.
I don't like Ingram as a #3 or #4 on a team, but as the primary perimeter scorer on a team with a dominant big is a great role for him and one that's good enough if that big is an MVP candidate and there's a decent roster around them.
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The bulls, 4 team way trade with lakers and Nets
Bulls get -
- Brandon Ingram
- Jaxon Hayes
- Bojan Bogdonovic
Lakers get -
- Zack Lavine
- Torey Craig
- Javon Carter
Pelicans get -
-Nikola Vucevic
- D'Angelo Russell
- Christian Wood
Nets get -
- Jared Vanderbilt
-JHS
- Gabe Vincent
Bulls get -
- Brandon Ingram
- Jaxon Hayes
- Bojan Bogdonovic
Lakers get -
- Zack Lavine
- Torey Craig
- Javon Carter
Pelicans get -
-Nikola Vucevic
- D'Angelo Russell
- Christian Wood
Nets get -
- Jared Vanderbilt
-JHS
- Gabe Vincent
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toooskies wrote:165bows wrote:toooskies wrote:Compare/contrast with Middleton.
(I don't think Middleton was ever on a max deal and don't think Ingram deserves one either, but he was definitely Milwaukee's #2 on offense.)
About 400 TS added differential over their careers, Middleton was in all likelihood a much better defender at his peak.
Well, we're not talking about entire career or peak, we're talking about being a #2 on a title team, where Middleton put up a 38 TS add in the regular season and only had a 55% TS in the playoffs.
He was also a few years older than Ingram is now in the title season and had the MVP of the league next to him taking defensive attention. Middleton's usage is consistently lower than Ingram's, Ingram has been the #1/#1b and has taken a corresponding efficiency hit.
I don't like Ingram as a #3 or #4 on a team, but as the primary perimeter scorer on a team with a dominant big is a great role for him and one that's good enough if that big is an MVP candidate and there's a decent roster around them.
Sure but let's not pretend there's no difference. Middleton's title winning season TS added you don't seem to value has only been hit by Ingram once, and never close to Middleton's 3PT% that year. And again, not likely the same defender either.
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165bows wrote:toooskies wrote:165bows wrote:About 400 TS added differential over their careers, Middleton was in all likelihood a much better defender at his peak.
Well, we're not talking about entire career or peak, we're talking about being a #2 on a title team, where Middleton put up a 38 TS add in the regular season and only had a 55% TS in the playoffs.
He was also a few years older than Ingram is now in the title season and had the MVP of the league next to him taking defensive attention. Middleton's usage is consistently lower than Ingram's, Ingram has been the #1/#1b and has taken a corresponding efficiency hit.
I don't like Ingram as a #3 or #4 on a team, but as the primary perimeter scorer on a team with a dominant big is a great role for him and one that's good enough if that big is an MVP candidate and there's a decent roster around them.
Sure but let's not pretend there's no difference. Middleton's title winning season TS added you don't seem to value has only been hit by Ingram once, and never close to Middleton's 3PT% that year. And again, not likely the same defender either.
You're probably right, but the context difference is large enough that I wouldn't say it's impossible for Ingram to just level up his shot selection a bit.
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louc1970 wrote:kobe_vs_jordan wrote:Would be a good fit on Grizzlies .
Ja
Bane
Ingram
JJJ
Edey
How do you get him there?
3 way with the Raps, to get NOP a Center.
Pelicans get: J Poeltl, D Russell
Lakers get: B Ingram
Raptors get: R Hachimura, Y Missi, J Hood, ‘25 LAC 2nd
Pelicans:
Murray - McCollum - Herb - Zion - Poeltl
DLo - Hawkins - Murphy - JRobinson - Theis
Alvarado
Lakers:
Reaves - Ingram - Lebron - Vando - Davis
Vincent - Christie - Knecht - Reddish - Wood
(lebron and Ingram handle playmaking. They opened up ~3M in space here, which should allow for a good buyout candidate…think along the lines of CP3 or Schroder)
Raps tank
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The Jazz...
It's their opportunity to get a star on the cheap, since they locked up Markannen.
Collins + Cavs 27 + Wolves 25 for Ingram.
It's their opportunity to get a star on the cheap, since they locked up Markannen.
Collins + Cavs 27 + Wolves 25 for Ingram.
Defense wins draft lotteries!
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vxmike wrote:OGSactownballer wrote:toooskies wrote:Ingram on the Spurs next to Wemby makes sense to me to propel them into contender-ish status as a #2 who handles the ball a lot. But the Spurs have the cap space to get him next year in free agency and they might prefer to only be giving him 5% raises rather than the 8% he'd be due if they traded for him now.
Cannot see Ingram as a number two anywhere that it’s a team that is actually solidly a playoff team and definitely not a contender.
If that’s the take here then it is automatically severely limiting a young Spurs team that will have a lot of salaries to pay for more talented young players going forward.
This. Ingram is a #2 only on a bad team. He’s the classic #3 guy and you can’t pay those guys max anymore. See Zach Lavine.
Not for nothing but the Pelicans won 49 games last year, which would have been tied for 3rd in the East.
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I think he would be good on Spurs, Wemby will need a guard/wing to score and create from perimeter, today it looks like Ingram would be a "cheap" bet, considering they dont have a lot of guys to pay.
I think they should look how bad/good this team is, will Wemby+CP3 pull them out of the 1st pick sweepstakes, then you can add Ingram and maybe fight for a playoff spots. But if they still are a bottom feeder, hold your horses and hope for a good draft next year.
I think they should look how bad/good this team is, will Wemby+CP3 pull them out of the 1st pick sweepstakes, then you can add Ingram and maybe fight for a playoff spots. But if they still are a bottom feeder, hold your horses and hope for a good draft next year.
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