Miami Heat and ? or ?

[Texas Chuck]

So the Dubs have interest in Jimmy apparently.

GSW gets Butler
MIA gets Moody, Looney, Payton, Bruce Brown, and 25 GSW 1st
TOR gets Wiggins

no interest in that without incentives to Toronto

Yeah makes no sense for Toronto. And honestly Miami probably prefers to gamble on Wiggins whose ceiling is still higher than Brown's and they won't care about the extra year in the same way Toronto would.

I also think its a terrible offer regardless for Miami. Like psman says, Butler doesn't have a ton of value, but he's still an impact player so if you can't get something of actual value just keep him. Miami isn't Minnesota of 5 years ago. He isn't going to wreck that team and there isn't a Towns you risk breaking either.

[Godaddycurse]

So the Dubs have interest in Jimmy apparently.

GSW gets Butler
MIA gets Moody, Looney, Payton, Bruce Brown, and 25 GSW 1st
TOR gets Wiggins

no interest in that without incentives to Toronto

Yeah makes no sense for Toronto. And honestly Miami probably prefers to gamble on Wiggins whose ceiling is still higher than Brown's and they won't care about the extra year in the same way Toronto would.

I also think its a terrible offer regardless for Miami. Like psman says, Butler doesn't have a ton of value, but he's still an impact player so if you can't get something of actual value just keep him. Miami isn't Minnesota of 5 years ago. He isn't going to wreck that team and there isn't a Towns you risk breaking either.

I think they would care just as much as Toronto about avoiding the tax for a non contending (post butler) team.

[Texas Chuck]

no interest in that without incentives to Toronto

Yeah makes no sense for Toronto. And honestly Miami probably prefers to gamble on Wiggins whose ceiling is still higher than Brown's and they won't care about the extra year in the same way Toronto would.

I also think its a terrible offer regardless for Miami. Like psman says, Butler doesn't have a ton of value, but he's still an impact player so if you can't get something of actual value just keep him. Miami isn't Minnesota of 5 years ago. He isn't going to wreck that team and there isn't a Towns you risk breaking either.

I think they would care just as much as Toronto about avoiding the tax for a non contending (post butler) team.

The Heat have proven to be masters in cap manipulation and I don't think they ever see themselves as non-contenders. They just go get another star and trust their system to make them competitive in the meantime.

I think they would chose talent first knowing they could revamp the roster in a year.

[Godaddycurse]

Yeah makes no sense for Toronto. And honestly Miami probably prefers to gamble on Wiggins whose ceiling is still higher than Brown's and they won't care about the extra year in the same way Toronto would.

I also think its a terrible offer regardless for Miami. Like psman says, Butler doesn't have a ton of value, but he's still an impact player so if you can't get something of actual value just keep him. Miami isn't Minnesota of 5 years ago. He isn't going to wreck that team and there isn't a Towns you risk breaking either.

I think they would care just as much as Toronto about avoiding the tax for a non contending (post butler) team.

The Heat have proven to be masters in cap manipulation and I don't think they ever see themselves as non-contenders. They just go get another star and trust their system to make them competitive in the meantime.

I think they would chose talent first knowing they could revamp the roster in a year.

Maybe? if i were them as a prized FA destination i would still prefer capspace over Wiggins

[BBallFreak]

There is nothing here for Miami, in either of these deals. I don't see us giving him up unless we completely poop the bed this season. And if we do, with the deals proposed here, we'd be better off just letting him walk. I mean, the OP deals offer essentially nothing at all. Where's Kuminga or Podz? Where are the first round picks? Why should we tie up our cap space with nothing but non-assets, or as I like to call them - mehssets? Looney? Payton? Bogdanovich?

This is just insulting. What's the point of making those trades?

[JRoy]

There is nothing here for Miami, in either of these deals. I don't see us giving him up unless we completely poop the bed this season. And if we do, with the deals proposed here, we'd be better off just letting him walk. I mean, the OP deals offer essentially nothing at all. Where's Kuminga or Podz? Where are the first round picks? Why should we tie up our cap space with nothing but non-assets, or as I like to call them - mehssets? Looney? Payton? Bogdanovich?

This is just insulting. What's the point of making those trades?

Ass ets

[R-DAWG]

Can the Knicks get in the conversation on December 15 building something around OG Anunoby and Julius Randle.

The difference in salary is $16.7mm, so it likely needs to be a 3 team deal, with front court help going back to NY

NY can also make the math work with Mitchell Robinsons contract, but would need to acquire a big elsewhere.

[raferfenix]

Would Riley trade Jimmy for Kuminga and filler?

That’s where a deal starts I imagine alongside Golden State deciding Butler would be a better fit — especially at the kind of dollars required to keep either one.

[Raptors Realtor]

I wonder if the Heat and Pelicans eventually swap Butler for Ingram.

Butler is worth a lot more than Ingram.

Disagree... I'm not the biggest Ingram fan, but Butler is already 35, 8 years older than Ingram, and misses a quarter to a third of games every season.

[JRoy]

I wonder if the Heat and Pelicans eventually swap Butler for Ingram.

Butler is worth a lot more than Ingram.

Disagree... I'm not the biggest Ingram fan, but Butler is already 35, 8 years older than Ingram, and misses a quarter to a third of games every season.

BI misses his share of games too and plays no defense.

[Raptors Realtor]

Butler is worth a lot more than Ingram.

Disagree... I'm not the biggest Ingram fan, but Butler is already 35, 8 years older than Ingram, and misses a quarter to a third of games every season.

BI misses his share of games too and plays no defense.

Indeed, but Ingram isn't 35 years old... how many more productive seasons does Butler have left?

[JRoy]

Disagree... I'm not the biggest Ingram fan, but Butler is already 35, 8 years older than Ingram, and misses a quarter to a third of games every season.

BI misses his share of games too and plays no defense.

Indeed, but Ingram isn't 35 years old... how many more productive seasons does Butler have left?

Not many, but Ingrams best seasons wont come near Jimmys.