Rockets and Phoenix

[shagadelic45]

HOU TRADES: vanvleet, brooks, adams, j.green, tate, 2025 #1 (okc/phx), 2027 #1 (phx), 2027 #1 (bkn swap), 2029 #1 (dal/phx)


Rockets cash in some draft capital for a missing superstar to lead their team and keep their young guys to build around


PHX TRADES: durant, beal, dunn, ighodaro


The Suns reboot getting younger and missing draft assets and build around Booker

[Kiss of Death]

That’s beyond terrible for Houston. Beal’s contract is the worst in the NBA.

[LarsV8]

One, I don't think the Suns can aggregate.

Two, Beal is a huge negative, and Durant is falling off, as you would expect from a guy at his age. He is a season or two away from being completely washed.

You don't get premium packages for what guys were worth 5 seasons ago. Swap Beal for Booker, and you might have something.

[ecuhus1981]

One, I don't think the Suns can aggregate.

Two, Beal is a huge negative, and Durant is falling off, as you would expect from a guy at his age. He is a season or two away from being completely washed.

You don't get premium packages for what guys were worth 5 seasons ago. Swap Beal for Booker, and you might have something.

You started off correct, but let's be clear, this is no premium package from Houston.

I do think a trade could make sense around Brooks, Jabari and those PHX 1sts for Durant. But that would be at the February trade deadline, if the Suns are out of the running. Phoenix wants to contend, and I think they will be competitive.

[LarsV8]

You started off correct, but let's be clear, this is no premium package from Houston.

I do think a trade could make sense around Brooks, Jabari and those PHX 1sts for Durant. But that would be at the February trade deadline, if the Suns are out of the running. Phoenix wants to contend, and I think they will be competitive.

Its absolutely a premium package.

Unprotected picks for teams 5 years out that are already completely leveraged are golden.
The Nets pick in 27 is probably the most valuable pick out there right now.
Green has tremendous upside
FVV, Brooks and Adams are all extremely solid rotation guys with huge impact.

And I am vetoing pretty much any Durant to Houston package. He just isn't worth very much. If we want to gamble on old guys, we can sign Jimmy Butler in free agency and spend no assets.

[Crives]

Can’t remember a team that traded away a 2-3 year championship window for this little value.

[Fo-Real]

No reason for either team to want any part of this.

[jbk1234]

You started off correct, but let's be clear, this is no premium package from Houston.

I do think a trade could make sense around Brooks, Jabari and those PHX 1sts for Durant. But that would be at the February trade deadline, if the Suns are out of the running. Phoenix wants to contend, and I think they will be competitive.

Its absolutely a premium package.

Unprotected picks for teams 5 years out that are already completely leveraged are golden.
The Nets pick in 27 is probably the most valuable pick out there right now.
Green has tremendous upside
FVV, Brooks and Adams are all extremely solid rotation guys with huge impact.

And I am vetoing pretty much any Durant to Houston package. He just isn't worth very much. If we want to gamble on old guys, we can sign Jimmy Butler in free agency and spend no assets.

Green is in the package for the same reason he hasn't been extended. The Nets have a bunch of future cap space and they have two summers to use it before worry about the 27 draft. FVV, Brooks, and Adams have nuetral value as salary filler at best.

Now if the Suns are shipping out Beal with Durant, it's more than enough, but there's not a premium asset in that package.

[LarsV8]

Green is in the package for the same reason he hasn't been extended. The Nets have a bunch of future cap space and they have two summers to use it before worry about the 27 draft. FVV, Brooks, and Adams have nuetral value as salary filler at best.

Now if the Suns are shipping out Beal with Durant, it's more than enough, but there's not a premium asset in that package.

I'm sorry, but you are just not correct.

[Kiss of Death]

Green is in the package for the same reason he hasn't been extended. The Nets have a bunch of future cap space and they have two summers to use it before worry about the 27 draft. FVV, Brooks, and Adams have nuetral value as salary filler at best.

Now if the Suns are shipping out Beal with Durant, it's more than enough, but there's not a premium asset in that package.

I'm sorry, but you are just not correct.

This is the guy who said in multiple threads that it would be a ‘great deal’ for the Rockets if they traded Sengun AND Reed Sheppard for Sarr. (Sengun for #5 and then #5, #3 for #1).

His Rockets player valuations are ridiculously bad.

[wemby]

This framework is a mess, the backbone of this deal is Durant for the picks and filler, the rest just complicates things. Personally, I would do it for the Suns since I believe they're a trainwreck waiting to happen, and for the Rockets I'd wait until Booker becomes available (or someone else younger than Durant).

[ecuhus1981]

You started off correct, but let's be clear, this is no premium package from Houston.

I do think a trade could make sense around Brooks, Jabari and those PHX 1sts for Durant. But that would be at the February trade deadline, if the Suns are out of the running. Phoenix wants to contend, and I think they will be competitive.

Its absolutely a premium package.

Unprotected picks for teams 5 years out that are already completely leveraged are golden.
The Nets pick in 27 is probably the most valuable pick out there right now.
Green has tremendous upside
FVV, Brooks and Adams are all extremely solid rotation guys with huge impact.

And I am vetoing pretty much any Durant to Houston package. He just isn't worth very much. If we want to gamble on old guys, we can sign Jimmy Butler in free agency and spend no assets.

This is a side conversation, and I don't mean to diss the package. There's good value there, interspersed with, let's say, dubious value, especially for a team trading away their chance at competing.

My only quibble is, I don't think you can exclude Sengun, Sheppard, Thompson, Jabari and Tari, and still call it a premium package.

I agree that HOU should not push all in for a 36yo.

[Slim Charless]

You started off correct, but let's be clear, this is no premium package from Houston.

I do think a trade could make sense around Brooks, Jabari and those PHX 1sts for Durant. But that would be at the February trade deadline, if the Suns are out of the running. Phoenix wants to contend, and I think they will be competitive.

Its absolutely a premium package.

Unprotected picks for teams 5 years out that are already completely leveraged are golden.
The Nets pick in 27 is probably the most valuable pick out there right now.
Green has tremendous upside
FVV, Brooks and Adams are all extremely solid rotation guys with huge impact.

And I am vetoing pretty much any Durant to Houston package. He just isn't worth very much. If we want to gamble on old guys, we can sign Jimmy Butler in free agency and spend no assets.

That's a laughable offer for Booker. You can possibly be serious. Lmao

[K_chile22]

Gonna refer back to my post in the "what does the national media get wrong about your team" thread. Rockets are not making a huge buy now trade for a 36 year old. Just doesn't make any sense directionally

[RollingWave]

Houston isn't trying gamble everything to win now, this is assuming that Houston is run by guys that are either dumb or trying to save their jobs, meanwhile they just extended their GM after having a huge improvement season and everything is on the up and up.

The move Houston is looking for with these chips is probably Booker for Dillon Brooks (or Jalen Green on his next contract) + the picks, it's not going to happen this year, they're betting that Phoenix will disappoint again, Durant will be mostly done and they're completely doomed in cap hell with no picks thus forcing their hand (and if they're stubborn and don't move, then Houston will have a bunch of lottery chances. )

[Apz]

Im against saying a pick is most valuable. Sure, some picks are more valuable due franchises track record, but we had guys here saying mavs 1st to NY were most valuable owned just a year ago and it ended up like 26th or something

[psman2]

Im against saying a pick is most valuable. Sure, some picks are more valuable due franchises track record, but we had guys here saying mavs 1st to NY were most valuable owned just a year ago and it ended up like 26th or something

That really wasn't a thing outside of maybe some fanatical Knicks fans. Any team with Luka is going to have a solid floor, so an early season ending injury was the only way that pick would have a ton of value, so it likely had a 5-7% chance of being top 8 pick entering last season. And didn't that pick have protections anyways?

Boston championship is build off of valuable future picks obtain via trade. Cleveland's Championship is build off a valuable pick that landed them Irving. Of course they is no gtd that future unprotected picks from a team with a cloudy future will result in a sure thing but certain picks are for sure more valuable than others.

[Frankie]

No thanks.