[Charania]: Carter Extends In Orlando [3/$59M]

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Re: [Charania]: Carter Extends In Orlando [3/$59M] 

Post#21 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Oct 8, 2024 3:28 pm

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BlazersBroncos wrote:It might seem like alot but in reality it is only slightly more than the MLE and IMO WCJ is clearly an above MLE caliber guy.

Interested to see who is the odd man out amongst (most likely) Goga and Mo. I dont think ORL can keep all 4 of WCJ / JI / Goga / Mo even in the short'ish term.


well short term next yr even if they pick up mo wagner team option all 4 will cost 45 mill together not crazy to me? its less then 1 max..if you add da silva 4 mill covers all 3 centers and both foward backups for under 50 yr after resign mo around 8 gives you all 5 for 52? that covers this yr plus 2 more seasons


Was talking more from a PT situation. I think both Mo and Goga are too talented to be content with a big number of DNP-CD's.
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Re: [Charania]: Carter Extends In Orlando [3/$59M] 

Post#22 » by orlando_joe » Tue Oct 8, 2024 4:31 pm

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BlazersBroncos wrote:It might seem like alot but in reality it is only slightly more than the MLE and IMO WCJ is clearly an above MLE caliber guy.

Interested to see who is the odd man out amongst (most likely) Goga and Mo. I dont think ORL can keep all 4 of WCJ / JI / Goga / Mo even in the short'ish term.


well short term next yr even if they pick up mo wagner team option all 4 will cost 45 mill together not crazy to me? its less then 1 max..if you add da silva 4 mill covers all 3 centers and both foward backups for under 50 yr after resign mo around 8 gives you all 5 for 52? that covers this yr plus 2 more seasons


Was talking more from a PT situation. I think both Mo and Goga are too talented to be content with a big number of DNP-CD's.

yea if everyone goes with no injury goga will be odd man out but expect chance wcj and ji miss 15-20 games each its solid insurance at decent price ..and goga just got 25 mill guarantee for 3 yrs knowing that after never making what 2 mill a yr
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Re: [Charania]: Carter Extends In Orlando [3/$59M] 

Post#23 » by gswhoops » Tue Oct 8, 2024 5:31 pm

I think people are overthinking this. He's a good player and this is a fair contract for a quality starter, especially a big who can space the floor and isn't a turnstile on D.

They should have no problem moving it down the line if they need to unless his injury history flares up.
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Re: [Charania]: Carter Extends In Orlando [3/$59M] 

Post#24 » by Colbinii » Tue Oct 8, 2024 5:40 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:It might seem like alot but in reality it is only slightly more than the MLE and IMO WCJ is clearly an above MLE caliber guy.

Interested to see who is the odd man out amongst (most likely) Goga and Mo. I dont think ORL can keep all 4 of WCJ / JI / Goga / Mo even in the short'ish term.


WCJ has played in 315 Games in his 6-year NBA Career, out of a possible 465 [322 out of 472 including post-season]. This is equivalent to 68% of games played, which is 10 less than the minimum requirement for NBA Awards [55 vs 65].

While you may think WCJ is clearly above MLE caliber, I think he is clearly a low-tier starting caliber center [similar to Jonas Valanciunas, Ivaca Zubac, Nikola Vucevic].

The problem I have with this contract is it doesn't have any chance to be good. If WCJ plays 65 games and is healthy for a post-season, playing 26 MPG is fine but then Orlando is still filling in 22+ MPG at Center--and paying for that.

There really isn't any chance for WCJ to outplay the contract. There is some middle-ground [as I mentioned above] where he is worth the contract, and then there is a big chunk of liklihood he simply doesn't play enough to warrant the contract. I wouldn't want to commit 5 total years to a player with the combination of WCJ caliber and potential. 3 and 4 years of team control should be for stars--major difference makers, or high-potential prospects, or 2nd-round guys making the near minimum.

But, this is simply my view on the economics of the salary cap and how I view cost analysis with the salary and trade-offs with signing players long-term.
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Re: [Charania]: Carter Extends In Orlando [3/$59M] 

Post#25 » by jbk1234 » Wed Oct 9, 2024 1:29 am

Chuck Everett wrote:He (and his reps) is smart to take the security. He hasn't progressed enough to bet on himself being more than a role player on this squad.


They're smart to take it due to how often he's injured, but when healthy, he's a top 10-15 center. In a league where Poeltl got $20M per, he's absolutely worth it.
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Re: [Charania]: Carter Extends In Orlando [3/$59M] 

Post#26 » by BarbaGrizz » Wed Oct 9, 2024 5:48 pm

Why is Orlando commiting to their core like they´re already a dinasty? That seems odd
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Re: [Charania]: Carter Extends In Orlando [3/$59M] 

Post#27 » by meekrab » Wed Oct 9, 2024 6:30 pm

BarbaGrizz wrote:Why is Orlando commiting to their core like they´re already a dinasty? That seems odd

It's just how they operate. Early 8 figure/year extensions for mid-tier starters is their bread and butter.

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