CLE/ORL/ATL

[Skybox]

CLE sends: Darius Garland, Georges Niang
CLE gets: Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Bogdan Bogdonavic, Cole Anthony
Why: balances backcourt with Donovan/KCP and Cole/Bogie off the bench...defense/length/depth/shooting. ORL really is concerned about strengthening CLE's backcourt as a rival - but sees Garland as the "piece"...worth more to ORL than to CLE, given the rosters.

ORL sends: KCP, Gary Harris, Cole Anthony, ORL 25 frp (top 8 protected - if doesn't convey, then DEN 25 frp goes)
ORL gets: Darius Garland
Why: ORL bets big on Garland becoming Donovan Mitchell/Jalen Brunson out of Mitchell's shadow and post-injury. They finally come to the conclusion that having Suggs & KCP as a backcourt isn't feasible and that a true playmaker and elite scoring threat is a better complement to Paolo & Franz long-term. ORL hopes the defensive presence of guys like Suggs, Isaac, and Black can compensate. IF Suggs had gotten his extension, he could be the one going to CLE and ORL wouldn't have to add as much...but hard to work the salaries. Suggs & KCP are essentially similar players, but Suggs' youth and QB intangibles make him more valuable...also, ORL has to face his upcoming large $$ deal. KCP is older but rock-solid and under a fair deal. Having the best defense but the worst offense (among playoff teams) puts a hard ceiling on the team and compromises a bit to add much more offensive firepower and versatility.

ATL sends: Bogdan Bogdanovic
ATL gets: Georges Niang, Gary Harris, ORL 25 frp (with some protections)
Why: ATL frees an unhappy Bogie and moves towards a semi-rebuild with a legit frp this summer. Harris and Niang are heady, floor-spreading vets on short-term deals to support Trae, JJ, Daniels, the rook, and whoever comes next.

[Scoot McGroot]

If I’m Cleveland, I hate dealing Garland for 3 guys that are all natural 2 guards, and best at the 2. Feels like they’d need to get one actual wing sized wing back for dealing a key piece like Garland.

[Skybox]

If I’m Cleveland, I hate dealing Garland for 3 guys that are all natural 2 guards, and best at the 2. Feels like they’d need to get one actual wing sized wing back for dealing a key piece like Garland.

I get that they'd prefer a Franz-sized guy, but KCP and, to some extent, Bogie can move to 3 in some situations. Mostly, IMO, it's about breaking up a backcourt of matching PG-sized guys in CLE. I get that Garland had some significant injuries in his recent past, but Mitchell overshadowed him since the day he arrived. I think Garland could be a less-physically gifted Mitchell elsewhere, but somewhat compromised next to Donovan. KCP & Bogie could form a rock solid rotation (Cole too maybe-he's not really a starter, but he's a fierce competitor and still young) with Mitchell.

I think Franz would be a dream get for CLE. I'd consider it from ORL side if it included Garland AND Allen...I understand that ORL would have to add somewhat-but not much. IMO, Franz has significantly more value overall than Garland, given his size, defense, finishing ability, etc...Franz might be untouchable for ORL. He's shot it well before and I think his playoff drought (from 3) was just a glitch.

[tidho]

Maybe Garland for Suggs, if they're getting a small back but no reason to do this for a couple shooting guards.

ORL should see what they've got, i think they're going to have a really good year.

[mcfly1204]

Hard pass for Cleveland. I'm not breaking up Garland into lesser parts. If anything, I'd be looking for a player at the same talent level, who would benefit from a better fit.

[jayu70]

ATL sends: Bogdan Bogdanovic
ATL gets: Georges Niang, Gary Harris, ORL 25 frp (with some protections)
Why: ATL frees an unhappy Bogie and moves towards a semi-rebuild with a legit frp this summer. Harris and Niang are heady, floor-spreading vets on short-term deals to support Trae, JJ, Daniels, the rook, and whoever comes next.

UNHAPPY Bogi?????
News to me. Care to Elaborate?
Hawks already have 2 legit 2025 FRPs - unprotected Lakers, top 10 protected Kings.
Bogi has 2 years left on his deal after this year with the last year being a very friendly team option, so technically 1 year guaranteed left.
Hawks currently have a full roster

[Raptors Realtor]

It's too good for Magic, not good enough for Cavs.

[Skybox]

ATL sends: Bogdan Bogdanovic
ATL gets: Georges Niang, Gary Harris, ORL 25 frp (with some protections)
Why: ATL frees an unhappy Bogie and moves towards a semi-rebuild with a legit frp this summer. Harris and Niang are heady, floor-spreading vets on short-term deals to support Trae, JJ, Daniels, the rook, and whoever comes next.

UNHAPPY Bogi?????
News to me. Care to Elaborate?
Hawks already have 2 legit 2025 FRPs - unprotected Lakers, top 10 protected Kings.
Bogi has 2 years left on his deal after this year with the last year being a very friendly team option, so technically 1 year guaranteed left.
Hawks currently have a full roster

His exit interview (or referring to it) - talking about selfish play (referring to Trae-I imagine). I'm not saying unsalvageable, but I saw the words come out of his mouth. He's 32 and ATL might be facing a decision about their trajectory...not sure how much more you would expect to get.

[jbk1234]

This is so far off it's not really worth discussing from the Cavs perspective.

We already have Strus, LeVert, Okoro, and Tyson (who has looked pretty promising) so it's not even addressing a need.


The value is awful. Cole Anthony isn't worth his contract. The first call Altman gets after this trade is from an irate Pop who's asking why he didn't even get the opportunity to outbid such a poor offer.

Finally, any trade that sends Garland to Orlando has to be weighed against the reality that they're both good, young teams in the same conference and Garland would be perfect for them. If the Cavs decide to move Garland, and there are two offers that are close in value, and the Magic won't be the winning bidder.

[louc1970]

CLE sends: Darius Garland, Georges Niang
CLE gets: Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Bogdan Bogdonavic, Cole Anthony
Why: balances backcourt with Donovan/KCP and Cole/Bogie off the bench...defense/length/depth/shooting. ORL really is concerned about strengthening CLE's backcourt as a rival - but sees Garland as the "piece"...worth more to ORL than to CLE, given the rosters.

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Don't think the return is enough for Cleveland.
Garland on the open market could fetch much more. Yes he had a less than stellar year last year, but he will bounce back when he becomes the lead guard again. Otherwise, why would anyone want him?

Dealing with Orlando, I would want a center returned - and now that I look at Orlando's roster I laugh as all 4 centers were signed to new contracts this year.

[Skybox]

This is so far off it's not really worth discussing from the Cavs perspective.

We already have Strus, LeVert, Okoro, and Tyson (who has looked pretty promising) so it's not even addressing a need.
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And yet…you must.

Clearly, CLE isn’t in love with Okoro, LeVert, Strus. Garland is the best individual player in the deal, but both KCP and Bogie are much more complementary fits next to their true superstar. Team building is where CLE has failed (ORL too, imo). CLE has assembled a tremendously talented big 4 with terribly redundant skillsets. KCP and Suggs are basically the same player…so are Mitchell and Garland, except one of them makes Cole Anthony look big & strong…KCP and Mitchell would form a perfectly complementary backcourt. Bogie is a combo guard that is a threat to put up big points every night. Cole Anthony is on a great deal, is still very young, and very capable of putting up pts & assists, given the opportunity (like his first couple of years) and has always been an exceptional rebounder for a guard.

I know you have a flair for drama, but your explanation doesn’t really hold water if you consider the cumulative effect on CLE’s backcourt. Obviously, I believe in Garland, but he’ll continue to be mediocre next to Mitchell…what’s the price to free him?

[toooskies]

This is so far off it's not really worth discussing from the Cavs perspective.

We already have Strus, LeVert, Okoro, and Tyson (who has looked pretty promising) so it's not even addressing a need.
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And yet…you must.

Clearly, CLE isn’t in love with Okoro, LeVert, Strus. Garland is the best individual player in the deal, but both KCP and Bogie are much more complementary fits next to their true superstar. Team building is where CLE has failed (ORL too, imo). CLE has assembled a tremendously talented big 4 with terribly redundant skillsets. KCP and Suggs are basically the same player…so are Mitchell and Garland, except one of them makes Cole Anthony look big & strong…KCP and Mitchell would form a perfectly complementary backcourt. Bogie is a combo guard that is a threat to put up big points every night. Cole Anthony is on a great deal, is still very young, and very capable of putting up pts & assists, given the opportunity (like his first couple of years) and has always been an exceptional rebounder for a guard.

I know you have a flair for drama, but your explanation doesn’t really hold water if you consider the cumulative effect on CLE’s backcourt. Obviously, I believe in Garland, but he’ll continue to be mediocre next to Mitchell…what’s the price to free him?

The problem is that this deal takes away Cleveland's only true point guard, putting a lot on the shoulders of Mitchell (and LeVert in the second unit) to be even more of a facilitator. Let's at least launder one of those contracts to Chicago for Lonzo Ball or something. Get Nance back from Atlanta to shore up the frontcourt. Useful pieces.

If Cleveland isn't sold on LeVert, Strus, or Okoro (as you say) then they should be the ones dealt.

[mcfly1204]

This is so far off it's not really worth discussing from the Cavs perspective.

We already have Strus, LeVert, Okoro, and Tyson (who has looked pretty promising) so it's not even addressing a need.
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And yet…you must.

Clearly, CLE isn’t in love with Okoro, LeVert, Strus. Garland is the best individual player in the deal, but both KCP and Bogie are much more complementary fits next to their true superstar. Team building is where CLE has failed (ORL too, imo). CLE has assembled a tremendously talented big 4 with terribly redundant skillsets. KCP and Suggs are basically the same player…so are Mitchell and Garland, except one of them makes Cole Anthony look big & strong…KCP and Mitchell would form a perfectly complementary backcourt. Bogie is a combo guard that is a threat to put up big points every night. Cole Anthony is on a great deal, is still very young, and very capable of putting up pts & assists, given the opportunity (like his first couple of years) and has always been an exceptional rebounder for a guard.

I know you have a flair for drama, but your explanation doesn’t really hold water if you consider the cumulative effect on CLE’s backcourt. Obviously, I believe in Garland, but he’ll continue to be mediocre next to Mitchell…what’s the price to free him?

The problem is that this deal takes away Cleveland's only true point guard, putting a lot on the shoulders of Mitchell (and LeVert in the second unit) to be even more of a facilitator. Let's at least launder one of those contracts to Chicago for Lonzo Ball or something. Get Nance back from Atlanta to shore up the frontcourt. Useful pieces.

If Cleveland isn't sold on LeVert, Strus, or Okoro (as you say) then they should be the ones dealt.

Cleveland is so clearly not in love with Okoro, LeVert, and Strus that they resigned or extended all 3 in the past ~year.

[raleigh]

His exit interview

That's a stretch at best.

Now, if Bogi wants a trade, I have zero doubts that the Hawks will accommodate him. And I also think that people will be surprised how much value he holds with contending teams around the league.

[Scoot McGroot]

If I’m Cleveland, I hate dealing Garland for 3 guys that are all natural 2 guards, and best at the 2. Feels like they’d need to get one actual wing sized wing back for dealing a key piece like Garland.

I get that they'd prefer a Franz-sized guy, but KCP and, to some extent, Bogie can move to 3 in some situations. Mostly, IMO, it's about breaking up a backcourt of matching PG-sized guys in CLE. I get that Garland had some significant injuries in his recent past, but Mitchell overshadowed him since the day he arrived. I think Garland could be a less-physically gifted Mitchell elsewhere, but somewhat compromised next to Donovan. KCP & Bogie could form a rock solid rotation (Cole too maybe-he's not really a starter, but he's a fierce competitor and still young) with Mitchell.

I think Franz would be a dream get for CLE. I'd consider it from ORL side if it included Garland AND Allen...I understand that ORL would have to add somewhat-but not much. IMO, Franz has significantly more value overall than Garland, given his size, defense, finishing ability, etc...Franz might be untouchable for ORL. He's shot it well before and I think his playoff drought (from 3) was just a glitch.

As jbk so solidly points out above, Cleveland is already loaded on SG sized guys to at they can force to step up to the 3 spot, that adding 3 more of them just isn’t the help you think it is. This deal creates a hole for Cleveland, to add to a strength of depth for Cleveland, and does nothing for their other weaknesses. Even if the goal is to split up Mitchell/Garland, it created a huge logjam at the 2 and repeats a lot of what they already have. Find a way to give them a true wing sized wing, and there’s much more reason to consider a potential Garland swap. As is, this is a layover type deal that can’t be considered unless Garland demands out and isn’t playing well, and Cleveland has multiple other trades lined up to flip guys they get back or guys they already have.

[jayu70]

ATL sends: Bogdan Bogdanovic
ATL gets: Georges Niang, Gary Harris, ORL 25 frp (with some protections)
Why: ATL frees an unhappy Bogie and moves towards a semi-rebuild with a legit frp this summer. Harris and Niang are heady, floor-spreading vets on short-term deals to support Trae, JJ, Daniels, the rook, and whoever comes next.

UNHAPPY Bogi?????
News to me. Care to Elaborate?
Hawks already have 2 legit 2025 FRPs - unprotected Lakers, top 10 protected Kings.
Bogi has 2 years left on his deal after this year with the last year being a very friendly team option, so technically 1 year guaranteed left.
Hawks currently have a full roster

His exit interview (or referring to it) - talking about selfish play (referring to Trae-I imagine). I'm not saying unsalvageable, but I saw the words come out of his mouth. He's 32 and ATL might be facing a decision about their trajectory...not sure how much more you would expect to get.

He spoke his mind, but there is no unhappiness. Have you owr chanced listened to his media day interview?
Harris is 31. The combined contracts of both him and Niang is the same 'short-term' deal like Bogi.
Id rather Bogi's headiness, vet-ness and floor spreading capabilities.

[jbk1234]

This is so far off it's not really worth discussing from the Cavs perspective.

We already have Strus, LeVert, Okoro, and Tyson (who has looked pretty promising) so it's not even addressing a need.
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And yet…you must.

Clearly, CLE isn’t in love with Okoro, LeVert, Strus. Garland is the best individual player in the deal, but both KCP and Bogie are much more complementary fits next to their true superstar. Team building is where CLE has failed (ORL too, imo). CLE has assembled a tremendously talented big 4 with terribly redundant skillsets. KCP and Suggs are basically the same player…so are Mitchell and Garland, except one of them makes Cole Anthony look big & strong…KCP and Mitchell would form a perfectly complementary backcourt. Bogie is a combo guard that is a threat to put up big points every night. Cole Anthony is on a great deal, is still very young, and very capable of putting up pts & assists, given the opportunity (like his first couple of years) and has always been an exceptional rebounder for a guard.

I know you have a flair for drama, but your explanation doesn’t really hold water if you consider the cumulative effect on CLE’s backcourt. Obviously, I believe in Garland, but he’ll continue to be mediocre next to Mitchell…what’s the price to free him?

First off, the Cavs are going to give Atkinson a chance to get more synergy out of that backcourt. Should that fail, then the Cavs need another triple threat, possibly at a position other than guard, or teams will just load up on Mitchell in the playoffs and he'll leave in the summer of 2026.

Also, if the Cavs decide to trade Garland (or Mitchell), then they should probably move one of Allen or Mobley, open up the floor more and move Strus to the 2 guard with the idea of upgrading the backcourt defensively.

But really, the O.P. is a huge miss. We wouldn't want Cole. KCP is redundant with what we already have. Bogs is only valuable because we're parting with Garland, which we could just not do.

[tiderulz]

CLE sends: Darius Garland, Georges Niang
CLE gets: Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Bogdan Bogdonavic, Cole Anthony
Why: balances backcourt with Donovan/KCP and Cole/Bogie off the bench...defense/length/depth/shooting. ORL really is concerned about strengthening CLE's backcourt as a rival - but sees Garland as the "piece"...worth more to ORL than to CLE, given the rosters.

ORL sends: KCP, Gary Harris, Cole Anthony, ORL 25 frp (top 8 protected - if doesn't convey, then DEN 25 frp goes)
ORL gets: Darius Garland
Why: ORL bets big on Garland becoming Donovan Mitchell/Jalen Brunson out of Mitchell's shadow and post-injury. They finally come to the conclusion that having Suggs & KCP as a backcourt isn't feasible and that a true playmaker and elite scoring threat is a better complement to Paolo & Franz long-term. ORL hopes the defensive presence of guys like Suggs, Isaac, and Black can compensate. IF Suggs had gotten his extension, he could be the one going to CLE and ORL wouldn't have to add as much...but hard to work the salaries. Suggs & KCP are essentially similar players, but Suggs' youth and QB intangibles make him more valuable...also, ORL has to face his upcoming large $$ deal. KCP is older but rock-solid and under a fair deal. Having the best defense but the worst offense (among playoff teams) puts a hard ceiling on the team and compromises a bit to add much more offensive firepower and versatility.

ATL sends: Bogdan Bogdanovic
ATL gets: Georges Niang, Gary Harris, ORL 25 frp (with some protections)
Why: ATL frees an unhappy Bogie and moves towards a semi-rebuild with a legit frp this summer. Harris and Niang are heady, floor-spreading vets on short-term deals to support Trae, JJ, Daniels, the rook, and whoever comes next.

think you have to swap KCP for Suggs. Orlando trading their FA signing months into first year? Garland closer to Suggs in age (1 year difference) even though Garland got his new deal. otherwise i dont see top-8 protected 1st bridging the gap

[toooskies]

First-- the Cavs want to get out of the tax, particularly if they're trading a member of their core for role players.

Second-- this is a bunch of role players that the Cavs already have reasonable versions of. KCP? Rich man's Okoro. Bogdan? Merrill's close enough. Anthony? Why do we need another guy doing Caris LeVert things? Let's give the Cavs depth at the 4/5, or a big wing who can shoot, or a tall PG who can play with Mitchell.

The Magic need to at least put in a player who might one day be the best player in the deal. The Cavs might push for Suggs but it at least has to be Black or DaSilva.

Something like this:
Cavs get: KCP, Nance, Anthony Black or Tristan DaSilva-- three guys who don't have overlap with the roster and can go right into the rotation, with at least one staying long-term
Orlando gets: Garland (+ optionally Ty Jerome or Craig Porter Jr)-- get the best guy in the trade at a position of need
Atlanta gets: Niang, Jett Howard-- trade a useful NBA player for a less useful NBA player and a prospect