Does Knecht have value for a backup C?

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Re: Does Knecht have value for a backup C? 

Post#61 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Oct 8, 2024 5:57 pm

Waynearchetype wrote:I like it better as a package around Jeramin Grant and Doup Reath to Lakers for Knecht, an FRP, and whatever salary Lakers want to send. Reath is a fine backup C who can provide some shooting, and the Grant addition seems to be the SF/pf shooting punch the Lakers need.


I dont think Grant is pulling a rookie FRP and a future FRP. One or the other is much more likely.
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Re: Does Knecht have value for a backup C? 

Post#62 » by jbk1234 » Tue Oct 8, 2024 6:44 pm

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I'm not 100% sold on that. The Magic have a team option in the second year and he just signed that contract. Goga signed a fully guaranteed three-year deal. WCJ is on the books this year and next. If Suggs gets his bag, it's looking like Mo is the odd man out.


And the Magic just extended WCJ.

It's hard to see the Magic getting value out of WCJ, Goga, and Mo all on the roster at the same time (assuming they're all healthy). Especially since Paolo (and maybe even Isaac) will probably play some small-ball 5 as well.

Goga is probably the odd man out of those three. WCJ is the best player and obviously Mo has the sibling connection. The longer financial commitment seems to me to make Goga the more attractive trade target rather than less.


It's hard to square with the Magic insisting on a team option this summer.
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Re: Does Knecht have value for a backup C? 

Post#63 » by Waynearchetype » Tue Oct 8, 2024 7:16 pm

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Waynearchetype wrote:I like it better as a package around Jeramin Grant and Doup Reath to Lakers for Knecht, an FRP, and whatever salary Lakers want to send. Reath is a fine backup C who can provide some shooting, and the Grant addition seems to be the SF/pf shooting punch the Lakers need.


I dont think Grant is pulling a rookie FRP and a future FRP. One or the other is much more likely.


I agree with your assessment until you factor in some of the awful contracts the Lakers would want to use to match. I think that equals it, but maybe its just me.

Vincent 2 years, $11m, Vanderbilt 4 years, $11m, Max Christie 4 years $7m. That's roughly equal to Grants salary for all below average bench players, locked up for nearly as long. Which to me, makes it worth it, though I'm not very high on Knecht.
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Re: Does Knecht have value for a backup C? 

Post#64 » by Scoot McGroot » Tue Oct 8, 2024 8:00 pm

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They can want as much as they want, they'll either extend him, or not. If they don't extend him, the situation is what it is.



Turner legally cannot extend because of his previous renegotiation. He’s guaranteed to hit unrestricted free agency, no matter what.


He is going to get paid.



Very possible. But there’s not a lot of cap space out there right now, though that will change. Indy has to hope that longevity and familiarity will matter. Obviously, money should matter most. The one thing in Indy’s bag is that they can legally offer him a no trade clause, as he’ll be legally signing a new contract, and not an extension. Maybe that will help?
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Re: Does Knecht have value for a backup C? 

Post#65 » by ejftw » Tue Oct 8, 2024 8:10 pm

Waynearchetype wrote:
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Waynearchetype wrote:I like it better as a package around Jeramin Grant and Doup Reath to Lakers for Knecht, an FRP, and whatever salary Lakers want to send. Reath is a fine backup C who can provide some shooting, and the Grant addition seems to be the SF/pf shooting punch the Lakers need.


I dont think Grant is pulling a rookie FRP and a future FRP. One or the other is much more likely.


I agree with your assessment until you factor in some of the awful contracts the Lakers would want to use to match. I think that equals it, but maybe its just me.

Vincent 2 years, $11m, Vanderbilt 4 years, $11m, Max Christie 4 years $7m. That's roughly equal to Grants salary for all below average bench players, locked up for nearly as long. Which to me, makes it worth it, though I'm not very high on Knecht.


I agree on Vincent and Vanderbilt, but Max is still young enough to where he can grow and could, by the end, be considered one of the leagues bargain deals. I mean, he's barely 21, and has made some strides, albeit, it's just been a single preseason outing thus far.

I'm 100% positive Lakers won't give up Max and Dalton for Grant, especially with another future first included. However, as a team of a fan in the same division, I hope they do.
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Re: Does Knecht have value for a backup C? 

Post#66 » by Myth » Tue Oct 8, 2024 8:13 pm

Lakers are welcome to any Blazers center not named Clingan for Knecht.
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Re: Does Knecht have value for a backup C? 

Post#67 » by Helsbyte » Tue Oct 8, 2024 8:30 pm

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JRoy wrote:If Turner was on the market, about 20 teams could top that.


Lets not go crazy for an expiring non all star C



So a 7ft OG Anuobly tiered player or a Mikal Bridges? Remind me what they fetched again?
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Re: Does Knecht have value for a backup C? 

Post#68 » by Helsbyte » Tue Oct 8, 2024 8:32 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:I think Turner would have a bloated market. There are over a dozen teams IMO that would overpay for a C with his skillset. I dont think LAL would have close to the best offer for him. I think off the top of my head that OKC could put a iHart and FRP package together that would both satisfy IND need for a replacement C and get them pick value.

This is moot as IMO IND sees Myles as a clear core player with a unique skillset that they have invested nearly a decade in developing and end of the day will pay what he wants.



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Re: Does Knecht have value for a backup C? 

Post#69 » by Scoot McGroot » Tue Oct 8, 2024 9:04 pm

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JRoy wrote:If Turner was on the market, about 20 teams could top that.


Lets not go crazy for an expiring non all star C



So a 7ft OG Anuobly tiered player or a Mikal Bridges? Remind me what they fetched again?


OG went for Barrett, expiring Quickley, and a 2nd. And Toronto had to include Precious, too.

As for Bridges, well, he’s not expiring when he was traded.

Myles couldn’t net Bridges value. He’d probably net around OG value. But again, the not being able to extend may hurt that value a ton. Think of how Indy got Siakam for less than it normally would have cost. Myles is similar to that.
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Re: Does Knecht have value for a backup C? 

Post#70 » by Helsbyte » Tue Oct 8, 2024 10:04 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
Helsbyte wrote:
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Lets not go crazy for an expiring non all star C



So a 7ft OG Anuobly tiered player or a Mikal Bridges? Remind me what they fetched again?


OG went for Barrett, expiring Quickley, and a 2nd. And Toronto had to include Precious, too.

As for Bridges, well, he’s not expiring when he was traded.

Myles couldn’t net Bridges value. He’d probably net around OG value. But again, the not being able to extend may hurt that value a ton. Think of how Indy got Siakam for less than it normally would have cost. Myles is similar to that.


Big difference was Toronto not wanting to pay Siakim his next contract and Indy was. I have not seen anything like that from Indy, by all accounts they seem to want him to stay.
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Re: Does Knecht have value for a backup C? 

Post#71 » by Scoot McGroot » Tue Oct 8, 2024 10:08 pm

Helsbyte wrote:
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So a 7ft OG Anuobly tiered player or a Mikal Bridges? Remind me what they fetched again?


OG went for Barrett, expiring Quickley, and a 2nd. And Toronto had to include Precious, too.

As for Bridges, well, he’s not expiring when he was traded.

Myles couldn’t net Bridges value. He’d probably net around OG value. But again, the not being able to extend may hurt that value a ton. Think of how Indy got Siakam for less than it normally would have cost. Myles is similar to that.


Big difference was Toronto not wanting to pay Siakim his next contract and Indy was. I have not seen anything like that from Indy, by all accounts they seem to want him to stay.


By all accounts, maybe. But, is Indy willing to pay the tax for the first time in 20ish years? Do they want to keep Turner, so long as they don’t cross that tax line? Here’s questions here too. If we point out splinters elsewhere, we have to acknowledge the beam in our own eyes.
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Re: Does Knecht have value for a backup C? 

Post#72 » by Skybox » Tue Oct 8, 2024 10:20 pm

zimpy27 wrote:Yeah Lakers would be keen on Isaac or WCJ for Knecht most likely.


LAL would have to add for either…Isaac way out of reach.
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Re: Does Knecht have value for a backup C? 

Post#73 » by Ell Curry » Sun Oct 13, 2024 5:43 am

BlazersBroncos wrote:I think Turner would have a bloated market. There are over a dozen teams IMO that would overpay for a C with his skillset. I dont think LAL would have close to the best offer for him. I think off the top of my head that OKC could put a iHart and FRP package together that would both satisfy IND need for a replacement C and get them pick value.

This is moot as IMO IND sees Myles as a clear core player with a unique skillset that they have invested nearly a decade in developing and end of the day will pay what he wants.


Yeah, Turner's value is higher than the level of player he seems to be. True for any guy like him.

It's so hard to find a 3pt shooting center.

The good playoff teams that are at least one level away from winning the title like New Orleans, Cleveland, Phoenix all look interesting with Turner there anchoring the D and spacing the floor.
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Re: Does Knecht have value for a backup C? 

Post#74 » by mg » Sun Oct 13, 2024 10:32 am

I doubt Lakers trade Knecht. JJ Redick seems to love him. At this point he has more value to the Lakers than on the open market.

DLo on his expiring will likely get dealt. I think it's possible even Reaves could get dealt in a package if the right player hits the market.
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Re: Does Knecht have value for a backup C? 

Post#75 » by penbeast0 » Sun Oct 13, 2024 12:18 pm

If Lakers want to trade the injured Vanderbilt and Wood, Wiz have Richaun Holmes or Marvin Bagley though I think Holmes would be a better fit in LA. Vanderbilt would have to be seen as roughly neutral value though because neither Holmes nor Bagley is a bargain contract. They are just backup bigs who can play the 5 or 4 with Holmes being a better defender and glue guy and Bagley being a better scorer. But neither are in Washington's long term plans and Vanderbilt would be a better roster fit. Name fixed
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Re: Does Knecht have value for a backup C? 

Post#76 » by mg » Sun Oct 13, 2024 3:29 pm

penbeast0 wrote:If Lakers want to trade the injured Vanderpoole and Wood, Wiz have Richaun Holmes or Marvin Bagley though I think Holmes would be a better fit in LA. Vanderpoole would have to be seen as roughly neutral value though because neither Holmes nor Bagley is a bargain contract. They are just backup bigs who can play the 5 or 4 with Holmes being a better defender and glue guy and Bagley being a better scorer. But neither are in Washington's long term plans and Vanderpoole would be a better roster fit.


Actually it's Vanderbilt. Lakers really like his defense but he's still injured. I'm guessing anyone not named Lebron or AD could *potentially* be available. If Knecht hits than someone surprising could get dealt. My feeling is they are hoping both Knecht and Christie step up as rotation players.
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Re: Does Knecht have value for a backup C? 

Post#77 » by Karmaloop » Sun Oct 13, 2024 6:26 pm

Lakers aren't trading Knecht for a backup C. Period.

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