Fix the Suns center position!

[They_Them_Hatin]

Nurkic + some future incentive to WAS for Valancuinas + Saddiq Bey?

I actually came up with this trade too. If Wizards want the rest of our 2nds cool but they probably don’t this year. They might do it for the 2nds next year.

[hcsilla]

Nurkic + some future incentive to WAS for Valancuinas + Saddiq Bey?

Not a bad idea but these some future incentives are supposed to cover what value gap?

[BeiBeau]

The Venn diagram for players who would play over Nurkic in the clutch, is on a better contract than Nurkic or Okogie, and can be had for those crappy 2nds does not have an intersection.

The suns will need to pay a better asset if they want to make a meaningful improvement. This is the classic “I want good thing but don’t want to give up my good stuff”.

Actually not really. There’s been ton of reasonable offers in this thread for the price I’m asking. Nurkic problem is he’s lazy, out of shape with a big ego. Someone like Reath would be perfect. Plus Mason Plumlee got his minutes.

Duop Reath isn’t going to play over Nurkic in the clutch, nor is he fixing the suns center rotation, it’s also bad asset management for the Suns waste 2 of their last 3 seconds on a borderline rotation bench big.

You’re literally being suns fans getting excited about Yuta Watanabe and Keita Bates Diop all over again. Might as well bring back Chimezie Metu.

[RedIndian]

Orlando:

Trades: Goga Bitadze + 2nds
Receives: Grayson Allen

Phoenix:

Trades: Grayson Allen, Jusuf Nurkic
Receives: Goga Bitadze, Dorian Finney-Smith

Brooklyn:

Trades: Dorian Finney-Smith
Receives: Jusuf Nurkic + 2nds

Rationale:

For Orlando: Have Moe Wagner and Jonathan Isaac to use as backup bigs , which makes Goga somewhat expendable. Grayson Allen's shooting would absolutely crank up their offense and make them a serious threat in the East. Orlando has seven 2nds to trade (apart from their own), so Bitadze + multiple 2nds is a decent price to pay for some serious shooting firepower.

For Phoenix: Allen may be the most talented player in the deal, but is positionally redundant with Booker, Beal, Tyus and Morris already part of the rotation. Goga gives them a cheaper version of Nurkic as a drop defender, but a better roll finisher. DFS gives them a small-ball stretch center.

For Brooklyn: DFS is basically a free agent this summer. Don't think someone gives them a 1st (Royce O'neale fetched three 2nds at the deadline last year). So if they can get five 2nds (Orlando has 7 to trade, and Phoenix has 2), that may be the best they can get. Nurkic gives them another center which they probably need as well. Plus they could flip Nurkic for further assets later down the road.

[collidingNeurons]

I am not getting why people think Valancuinas is really a huge improvement over Nurkic, offensively sure, but he is about as immobile on defense as Nurkic and that's the side of the court the Suns need improvement. I think the Suns should just play Plumlee in those crunch time minutes, he doesn't have thee lift he once did but he stays in good position compared to Nurkic and doesn't turn the ball over

[NapoleonII]

Orlando:

Trades: Goga Bitadze + 2nds
Receives: Grayson Allen

Phoenix:

Trades: Grayson Allen, Jusuf Nurkic
Receives: Goga Bitadze, Dorian Finney-Smith

Brooklyn:

Trades: Dorian Finney-Smith
Receives: Jusuf Nurkic + 2nds

Rationale:

For Orlando: Have Moe Wagner and Jonathan Isaac to use as backup bigs , which makes Goga somewhat expendable. Grayson Allen's shooting would absolutely crank up their offense and make them a serious threat in the East. Orlando has seven 2nds to trade (apart from their own), so Bitadze + multiple 2nds is a decent price to pay for some serious shooting firepower.

For Phoenix: Allen may be the most talented player in the deal, but is positionally redundant with Booker, Beal, Tyus and Morris already part of the rotation. Goga gives them a cheaper version of Nurkic as a drop defender, but a better roll finisher. DFS gives them a small-ball stretch center.

For Brooklyn: DFS is basically a free agent this summer. Don't think someone gives them a 1st (Royce O'neale fetched three 2nds at the deadline last year). So if they can get five 2nds (Orlando has 7 to trade, and Phoenix has 2), that may be the best they can get. Nurkic gives them another center which they probably need as well. Plus they could flip Nurkic for further assets later down the road.

K I really like this.

I don't see why Brooklyn does it tho, he's making another 19 mill next year and no serious contender really wants him.

[jbk1234]

Orlando:

Trades: Goga Bitadze + 2nds
Receives: Grayson Allen

Phoenix:

Trades: Grayson Allen, Jusuf Nurkic
Receives: Goga Bitadze, Dorian Finney-Smith

Brooklyn:

Trades: Dorian Finney-Smith
Receives: Jusuf Nurkic + 2nds

Rationale:

For Orlando: Have Moe Wagner and Jonathan Isaac to use as backup bigs , which makes Goga somewhat expendable. Grayson Allen's shooting would absolutely crank up their offense and make them a serious threat in the East. Orlando has seven 2nds to trade (apart from their own), so Bitadze + multiple 2nds is a decent price to pay for some serious shooting firepower.

For Phoenix: Allen may be the most talented player in the deal, but is positionally redundant with Booker, Beal, Tyus and Morris already part of the rotation. Goga gives them a cheaper version of Nurkic as a drop defender, but a better roll finisher. DFS gives them a small-ball stretch center.

For Brooklyn: DFS is basically a free agent this summer. Don't think someone gives them a 1st (Royce O'neale fetched three 2nds at the deadline last year). So if they can get five 2nds (Orlando has 7 to trade, and Phoenix has 2), that may be the best they can get. Nurkic gives them another center which they probably need as well. Plus they could flip Nurkic for further assets later down the road.

This is probably too good for the Magic and not good enough for the Nets. Goga is 3rd string for a reason and no one is eating Nurkic's contract for free. Have the Magic send the Nets a protected 1st.

[BlazersBroncos]

Orlando:

Trades: Goga Bitadze + 2nds
Receives: Grayson Allen

Phoenix:

Trades: Grayson Allen, Jusuf Nurkic
Receives: Goga Bitadze, Dorian Finney-Smith

Brooklyn:

Trades: Dorian Finney-Smith
Receives: Jusuf Nurkic + 2nds

Rationale:

For Orlando: Have Moe Wagner and Jonathan Isaac to use as backup bigs , which makes Goga somewhat expendable. Grayson Allen's shooting would absolutely crank up their offense and make them a serious threat in the East. Orlando has seven 2nds to trade (apart from their own), so Bitadze + multiple 2nds is a decent price to pay for some serious shooting firepower.

For Phoenix: Allen may be the most talented player in the deal, but is positionally redundant with Booker, Beal, Tyus and Morris already part of the rotation. Goga gives them a cheaper version of Nurkic as a drop defender, but a better roll finisher. DFS gives them a small-ball stretch center.

For Brooklyn: DFS is basically a free agent this summer. Don't think someone gives them a 1st (Royce O'neale fetched three 2nds at the deadline last year). So if they can get five 2nds (Orlando has 7 to trade, and Phoenix has 2), that may be the best they can get. Nurkic gives them another center which they probably need as well. Plus they could flip Nurkic for further assets later down the road.

This is probably too good for the Magic and not good enough for the Nets. Goga is 3rd string for a reason and no one is eating Nurkic's contract for free. Have the Magic send the Nets a protected 1st.

I actually think on like 75%+ of team out there Goga is a 2nd string guy. But I still think this is too good for ORL (Grayson as a high volume 3PT guy is so valuable - especially for ORL IMO) and bad bad for BRK.

[Ell Curry]

Am I right to think Poeltl for Nurkic + draft pick/swap is against the cap as Poeltl makes a million more than Nurkic, and you can't just add a Phoenix minimum either?

[dremill24]

Am I right to think Poeltl for Nurkic + draft pick/swap is against the cap as Poeltl makes a million more than Nurkic, and you can't just add a Phoenix minimum either?

Correct

[Scoot McGroot]

Am I right to think Poeltl for Nurkic + draft pick/swap is against the cap as Poeltl makes a million more than Nurkic, and you can't just add a Phoenix minimum either?

Correct. If Phoenix is to trade for Poeltl, without otherwise clearing another $30m or so from the cap to get under the second apron, they would HAVE to be trading away Beal, Booker, or Durant.

[gswhoops]

Nurkic + some future incentive to WAS for Valancuinas + Saddiq Bey?

Not a bad idea but these some future incentives are supposed to cover what value gap?

Yeah that's the tricky part. A handful of seconds probably isn't enough to give up Val/Bey and eat Nurkic's contract, but I think Phoenix would aim higher if they were surrendering a 1st.

[Godaddycurse]

something around Nurkic/2031 1st for Kessler+ ?

[DirtyDez]

something around Nurkic/2031 1st for Kessler+ ?

Nurk/31’ 1st for Clarkson/Kessler works but that’s not enough for Ainge. They could get a 1st for each of them without taking back Nurk.

[Fo-Real]

I am not getting why people think Valancuinas is really a huge improvement over Nurkic, offensively sure, but he is about as immobile on defense as Nurkic and that's the side of the court the Suns need improvement. I think the Suns should just play Plumlee in those crunch time minutes, he doesn't have thee lift he once did but he stays in good position compared to Nurkic and doesn't turn the ball over

Yep!

[gswhoops]

something around Nurkic/2031 1st for Kessler+ ?

Nurk/31’ 1st for Clarkson/Kessler works but that’s not enough for Ainge. They could get a 1st for each of them without taking back Nurk.

No one is giving a 1st for Clarkson be serious

[DirtyDez]

something around Nurkic/2031 1st for Kessler+ ?

Nurk/31’ 1st for Clarkson/Kessler works but that’s not enough for Ainge. They could get a 1st for each of them without taking back Nurk.

No one is giving a 1st for Clarkson be serious

Point is they don’t have to take Nurk to get at least one for that package.