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Re: Bam Adebayo Trade Value 

Post#21 » by JMAC3 » Wed Nov 20, 2024 3:46 pm

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BBallFreak wrote:He's not on the block so it would take a king's ransom to get him there. I'm not seeing offers that catch my interest.


Give us 2-3 offers that you think are fair value, not a nobrainer 6 firsts and Jalen Williams type of offers.

That's his point though. He's not on the block so he's not being moved for "fair" value. It would take a no-brainer offer to move him.


The Heat are below .500 and their best player is 35yrs old and might walk in FA, I don't think this is a situation where we have to assume he is just completely off-limits and everything is running perfectly on course for the Heat. They are 1.5 games ahead of Milwaukee who everyone is saying the sky is falling and they have to blow it all up despite them having a top 3 player in the world.
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Re: Bam Adebayo Trade Value 

Post#22 » by BBallFreak » Wed Nov 20, 2024 3:52 pm

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Give us 2-3 offers that you think are fair value, not a nobrainer 6 firsts and Jalen Williams type of offers.

That's his point though. He's not on the block so he's not being moved for "fair" value. It would take a no-brainer offer to move him.


The Heat are below .500 and their best player is 35yrs old and might walk in FA, I don't think this is a situation where we have to assume he is just completely off-limits and everything is running perfectly on course for the Heat. They are 1.5 games ahead of Milwaukee who everyone is saying the sky is falling and they have to blow it all up despite them having a top 3 player in the world.

That doesn't mean we throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Do you think Milwaukee is going to trade Giannis, willingly? I know Bam isn't Giannis but it's the same concept. He's who we're building around and he's immensely valuable. Why would we trade him unless we had to? We're going to rebuild around him.
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Re: Bam Adebayo Trade Value 

Post#23 » by gswhoops » Wed Nov 20, 2024 4:06 pm

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Give us 2-3 offers that you think are fair value, not a nobrainer 6 firsts and Jalen Williams type of offers.

That's his point though. He's not on the block so he's not being moved for "fair" value. It would take a no-brainer offer to move him.


The Heat are below .500 and their best player is 35yrs old and might walk in FA, I don't think this is a situation where we have to assume he is just completely off-limits and everything is running perfectly on course for the Heat. They are 1.5 games ahead of Milwaukee who everyone is saying the sky is falling and they have to blow it all up despite them having a top 3 player in the world.

No one is saying that. But Bam is only 27 years old and a foundational player. You don't trade guys like him, period, unless you either have no other option or you get an offer that is too good to turn down.
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Re: Bam Adebayo Trade Value 

Post#24 » by JMAC3 » Wed Nov 20, 2024 4:25 pm

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gswhoops wrote:That's his point though. He's not on the block so he's not being moved for "fair" value. It would take a no-brainer offer to move him.


The Heat are below .500 and their best player is 35yrs old and might walk in FA, I don't think this is a situation where we have to assume he is just completely off-limits and everything is running perfectly on course for the Heat. They are 1.5 games ahead of Milwaukee who everyone is saying the sky is falling and they have to blow it all up despite them having a top 3 player in the world.

No one is saying that. But Bam is only 27 years old and a foundational player. You don't trade guys like him, period, unless you either have no other option or you get an offer that is too good to turn down.


I guess it depends on how good you think Bam and Herro are. If Heat miss the playoffs this year and let's say pick 11th. Instantly their 2026 and 2028 first rounders become unprotected. Jimmy will be 36 and most likely be demanding a new contract. If you let Jimmy walk, Heat are probably projected lottery team, their pick is unprotected and their best player is 28 yrs old.
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Re: Bam Adebayo Trade Value 

Post#25 » by BBallFreak » Wed Nov 20, 2024 4:52 pm

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The Heat are below .500 and their best player is 35yrs old and might walk in FA, I don't think this is a situation where we have to assume he is just completely off-limits and everything is running perfectly on course for the Heat. They are 1.5 games ahead of Milwaukee who everyone is saying the sky is falling and they have to blow it all up despite them having a top 3 player in the world.

No one is saying that. But Bam is only 27 years old and a foundational player. You don't trade guys like him, period, unless you either have no other option or you get an offer that is too good to turn down.


I guess it depends on how good you think Bam and Herro are. If Heat miss the playoffs this year and let's say pick 11th. Instantly their 2026 and 2028 first rounders become unprotected. Jimmy will be 36 and most likely be demanding a new contract. If you let Jimmy walk, Heat are probably projected lottery team, their pick is unprotected and their best player is 28 yrs old.

We've been here so many times before and we never do what other people think we should. I don't see why we're going to follow your lead, now, when Pat Riley has always had a plan.

You know Bam isn't the only piece we can trade. I shouldn't have to tell you that. You know South Beach is a free agent destination. I know I don't have to tell you that, either. We'll be fine. Keep your hands off of Bam unless you're going to knock our socks off...
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Re: Bam Adebayo Trade Value 

Post#26 » by JMAC3 » Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:08 pm

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gswhoops wrote:No one is saying that. But Bam is only 27 years old and a foundational player. You don't trade guys like him, period, unless you either have no other option or you get an offer that is too good to turn down.


I guess it depends on how good you think Bam and Herro are. If Heat miss the playoffs this year and let's say pick 11th. Instantly their 2026 and 2028 first rounders become unprotected. Jimmy will be 36 and most likely be demanding a new contract. If you let Jimmy walk, Heat are probably projected lottery team, their pick is unprotected and their best player is 28 yrs old.

We've been here so many times before and we never do what other people think we should. I don't see why we're going to follow your lead, now, when Pat Riley has always had a plan.

You know Bam isn't the only piece we can trade. I shouldn't have to tell you that. You know South Beach is a free agent destination. I know I don't have to tell you that, either. We'll be fine. Keep your hands off of Bam unless you're going to knock our socks off...


Pat Riley isn't very likely to rebuild because selfishly he wants short term success due to his limited days with the organization. Idk if preaching he has plan is a good thing when he just desperately tried to give away all the Heats assets for Dame Lillard. Which at that point they would have probably given Jimmy the Max extension and been in an even worse spot.

Counting on the NBA to revert back 10 years where Free Agency mattered feels like a bad basket to place all your eggs in.

I don't think the Heat should want to trade Bam, just like I don't think the Bucks should want to trade Giannis or Pelicans wanted to trade AD or Jazz wanted to trade Donovan Mitchell. Nor am I saying they should do it tomorrow, but in the next 6-18 months it feels like a very real possibility from the outside looking in.
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Re: Bam Adebayo Trade Value 

Post#27 » by hugepatsfan » Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:24 pm

I can't see MIA trading Bam while he's still in his prime no matter how bad it gets because he's more of a ceiling raiser than a floor raiser. If everything else is crumbling around him, he's not the type of star that's going to put the team on his back and inflate the record. If it comes to it, you can rebuild with him and it not push you too far into the middle ground. It's different than when Utah had to trade Spida to rebuild, for example, because that type of guy is going to inflate your record and leave you in no man's land. Even if Butler leaves/ages out of being great, MIA can still keep Bam and rebuild if they want. That way he's still there if/when they land the right pieces through draft/trades/free agency.

Maybe if it were a different team they could opt to move him to speed up a rebuild and really bottom out, but MIA's history doesn't point to that.
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Re: Bam Adebayo Trade Value 

Post#28 » by penbeast0 » Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:38 pm

I don't see them trading Bam either and I wouldn't, but if keeping Jimmy and trading Bam, I would look to Phoenix which needs a top drawer big and make a Bam for Durant deal. Durant is the better player so Miami improves this year; Bam projects to be the better over the next few years so Phoenix gets the greater value. Throw in Duncan Robinson to equalize salaries and can negotiate over filler but that's the gist of it.
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Re: Bam Adebayo Trade Value 

Post#29 » by BBallFreak » Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:41 pm

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I guess it depends on how good you think Bam and Herro are. If Heat miss the playoffs this year and let's say pick 11th. Instantly their 2026 and 2028 first rounders become unprotected. Jimmy will be 36 and most likely be demanding a new contract. If you let Jimmy walk, Heat are probably projected lottery team, their pick is unprotected and their best player is 28 yrs old.

We've been here so many times before and we never do what other people think we should. I don't see why we're going to follow your lead, now, when Pat Riley has always had a plan.

You know Bam isn't the only piece we can trade. I shouldn't have to tell you that. You know South Beach is a free agent destination. I know I don't have to tell you that, either. We'll be fine. Keep your hands off of Bam unless you're going to knock our socks off...


Pat Riley isn't very likely to rebuild because selfishly he wants short term success due to his limited days with the organization. Idk if preaching he has plan is a good thing when he just desperately tried to give away all the Heats assets for Dame Lillard. Which at that point they would have probably given Jimmy the Max extension and been in an even worse spot.

Counting on the NBA to revert back 10 years where Free Agency mattered feels like a bad basket to place all your eggs in.

I don't think the Heat should want to trade Bam, just like I don't think the Bucks should want to trade Giannis or Pelicans wanted to trade AD or Jazz wanted to trade Donovan Mitchell. Nor am I saying they should do it tomorrow, but in the next 6-18 months it feels like a very real possibility from the outside looking in.

I'm sorry, I've been watching this team closely since 1988. The very beginning! I am completely fine with what we're doing, and if we trade Bam or anyone else, it will be on our terms.
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Re: Bam Adebayo Trade Value 

Post#30 » by JMAC3 » Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:57 pm

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BBallFreak wrote:We've been here so many times before and we never do what other people think we should. I don't see why we're going to follow your lead, now, when Pat Riley has always had a plan.

You know Bam isn't the only piece we can trade. I shouldn't have to tell you that. You know South Beach is a free agent destination. I know I don't have to tell you that, either. We'll be fine. Keep your hands off of Bam unless you're going to knock our socks off...


Pat Riley isn't very likely to rebuild because selfishly he wants short term success due to his limited days with the organization. Idk if preaching he has plan is a good thing when he just desperately tried to give away all the Heats assets for Dame Lillard. Which at that point they would have probably given Jimmy the Max extension and been in an even worse spot.

Counting on the NBA to revert back 10 years where Free Agency mattered feels like a bad basket to place all your eggs in.

I don't think the Heat should want to trade Bam, just like I don't think the Bucks should want to trade Giannis or Pelicans wanted to trade AD or Jazz wanted to trade Donovan Mitchell. Nor am I saying they should do it tomorrow, but in the next 6-18 months it feels like a very real possibility from the outside looking in.

I'm sorry, I've been watching this team closely since 1988. The very beginning! I am completely fine with what we're doing, and if we trade Bam or anyone else, it will be on our terms.


You aren't really saying anything other than Bam is good and we won't trade him. Which I get is fine for a fan of the team. You aren't really talking about how it makes sense other than we are Miami and Pat Riley will save us.

How many games are the heat winning next year if Jimmy walks and Bam and Herro are your two best players? If they are a lottery team you aren't at least thinking about trading one of them? You said the Heat have other pieces they could trade? sure but none of them are worth much outside of Bam. Jacquez is probably worth 1 first, Jovic is worth a few 2nds, Herro might be worth 2 firsts to the right team at best but that is right now where his value might be an all-time high.

The heat are in a negative draft asset situation moving forward, they just aren't likely to be very competitive in trades moving forward if big names do pop up. They are likely headed for a treadmill team even in a very average Eastern conference.
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Re: Bam Adebayo Trade Value 

Post#31 » by BBallFreak » Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:24 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
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Pat Riley isn't very likely to rebuild because selfishly he wants short term success due to his limited days with the organization. Idk if preaching he has plan is a good thing when he just desperately tried to give away all the Heats assets for Dame Lillard. Which at that point they would have probably given Jimmy the Max extension and been in an even worse spot.

Counting on the NBA to revert back 10 years where Free Agency mattered feels like a bad basket to place all your eggs in.

I don't think the Heat should want to trade Bam, just like I don't think the Bucks should want to trade Giannis or Pelicans wanted to trade AD or Jazz wanted to trade Donovan Mitchell. Nor am I saying they should do it tomorrow, but in the next 6-18 months it feels like a very real possibility from the outside looking in.

I'm sorry, I've been watching this team closely since 1988. The very beginning! I am completely fine with what we're doing, and if we trade Bam or anyone else, it will be on our terms.


You aren't really saying anything other than Bam is good and we won't trade him. Which I get is fine for a fan of the team. You aren't really talking about how it makes sense other than we are Miami and Pat Riley will save us.

How many games are the heat winning next year if Jimmy walks and Bam and Herro are your two best players? If they are a lottery team you aren't at least thinking about trading one of them? You said the Heat have other pieces they could trade? sure but none of them are worth much outside of Bam. Jacquez is probably worth 1 first, Jovic is worth a few 2nds, Herro might be worth 2 firsts to the right team at best but that is right now where his value might be an all-time high.

The heat are in a negative draft asset situation moving forward, they just aren't likely to be very competitive in trades moving forward if big names do pop up. They are likely headed for a treadmill team even in a very average Eastern conference.
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Re: Bam Adebayo Trade Value 

Post#32 » by gom » Thu Nov 21, 2024 3:48 am

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Give us 2-3 offers that you think are fair value, not a nobrainer 6 firsts and Jalen Williams type of offers.

That's his point though. He's not on the block so he's not being moved for "fair" value. It would take a no-brainer offer to move him.


The Heat are below .500 and their best player is 35yrs old and might walk in FA, I don't think this is a situation where we have to assume he is just completely off-limits and everything is running perfectly on course for the Heat. They are 1.5 games ahead of Milwaukee who everyone is saying the sky is falling and they have to blow it all up despite them having a top 3 player in the world.


Pretty early in the season. No reason for the gloomy outlook.
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