Atlanta | Chicago | New Orleans: Capela, Vucevic, and Ingram Swap-O-Rama

[drosestruts]

Trade to be completed December 15th

Atlanta in: Brandon Ingram, Jeremiah Robinson-Earl, and Daniel Theis
Atlanta out: Clint Capela and De'Andre Hunter

Chicago in: Clint Capela and Karlo Matkovic
Chicago out: Nikola Vucevic

New Orleans in: De'Andre Hunter and Nikola Vucevic
New Orleans out: Brandon Ingram, Jeremiah Robinson-Earl, Daniel Theis, and Karlo Matkovic

* to complete the deal Chicago releases Talen Horton-Tucker and Atlanta releases Dominick Barlow


Why for Atlanta:
Okongwu has overtaken Capela in minutes per game and Nance Jr continues to eat into those minutes as well. With the addition of Theis they should be fine at the center spot. The Hawks starting forward are pretty set with Johnson and Risacher but Ingram gives them another good forward to form a 3-man forward rotation that can all play with each other. Ingram provides the ability to get his own shot as well which can help Atlanta be less reliant on Trae and win those non-Trae minutes.

Atlanta is also getting off future money owed to Hunter.


Why for Chicago:
The Bulls like the Hawks are getting off some long-term money by getting off the last year of Vucevic's deal. Many thing the Bulls would be better served with a standard rim-running center - while his best days are behind him Capela provides a look at what that would look like. More opportunity for Jaylen Smith now too. If it doesn't work... Bulls just keep their pick and have cap space.

Bulls also get a look at Matkovic who had some impressive moments in summer league and has been looking good in the G-league. Another young player for the suddenly much younger Bulls.

Why for New Orleans
They get the stretch 5 they seemingly have been looking for in Vuc who's shooting a lights out 46% on 3's at 4.5 attempts per game. And averaging nearly 20-10 a night. Another bonus is that Vuc has been an ironman for his career and New Orleans could use some health and consistency.

On the wing, with the departure of Ingram, they have Jones, Murphy and now Hunter all ready to fill in the gap. Hunter is also shooting a strong 38% of nearly 6 3's a game to go with his quality defense.

Pelicans have to make a move after a tough start to the season if they hope to salvage it and fight to a playoff or play-in spot.

[psman2]

For NOP ...rather just resign Ingram than pay the same amount to Vuc/Hunter combo. Atlanta would have to pay a 1st to make this happen, but with Risacher there I doubt they will choose this route.

[Ell Curry]

For NOP ...rather just resign Ingram than pay the same amount to Vuc/Hunter combo. Atlanta would have to pay a 1st to make this happen, but with Risacher there I doubt they will choose this route.

I guess the argument here for the Pels with regards to money is that Vucevic expires after next year and then you're saving 15-20M a year by going from Hunter to Ingram, and maybe Yves Missi will be ready to start in his 3rd year.

I think Chicago passes. Don't think paying Vucevic 21M next year bothers them and Capela will probably want a multi-year deal, though to be fair, I'm not actually sure who would give him a deal over the MLE. Maybe a sign and trade to get to 15M a year or something.

[Mavrelous]

Bulls don't belong here, Capela is slipping fast, but Vuc is skydiving...
in a Capella/Hunter for Ingram exchange, Hawks awe value, at least the 27 1st they got for Murray, maybe more...

[giberish]

For NOP ...rather just resign Ingram than pay the same amount to Vuc/Hunter combo. Atlanta would have to pay a 1st to make this happen, but with Risacher there I doubt they will choose this route.

I guess the argument here for the Pels with regards to money is that Vucevic expires after next year and then you're saving 15-20M a year by going from Hunter to Ingram, and maybe Yves Missi will be ready to start in his 3rd year.

I think Chicago passes. Don't think paying Vucevic 21M next year bothers them and Capela will probably want a multi-year deal, though to be fair, I'm not actually sure who would give him a deal over the MLE. Maybe a sign and trade to get to 15M a year or something.

For Chicago - they don't have to pay Capela a multi-year deal. They could just not. It's the difference between Vuc at $21M or nothing and they should prefer nothing.

Similarly for NO - would they rather have an extra year of Vuc at $21M and Hunter's contract or nothing? I think they'd have to prefer nothing. The minimum standard for an Ingram deal has to be something that's better than just having him walk as a UFA in the offseason (given that you can always do that, and there's a chance you can use Bird rights to sign him for a good contract).

[dms269]

Bulls don't belong here, Capela is slipping fast, but Vuc is skydiving...
in a Capella/Hunter for Ingram exchange, Hawks awe value, at least the 27 1st they got for Murray, maybe more...

I can't imagine Atlanta is willing to move a first to dump Hunter's contract. He has been playing well this season in limited games due to recovering from another injury. Additionally Atlanta isn't going to want to give Ingram the contract he is going to want this offseason, so they would essentially be paying a first for a rental and salary dump.

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[Mavrelous]

Bulls don't belong here, Capela is slipping fast, but Vuc is skydiving...
in a Capella/Hunter for Ingram exchange, Hawks awe value, at least the 27 1st they got for Murray, maybe more...

I can't imagine Atlanta is willing to move a first to dump Hunter's contract. He has been playing well this season in limited games due to recovering from another injury. Additionally Atlanta isn't going to want to give Ingram the contract he is going to want this offseason, so they would essentially be paying a first for a rental and salary dump.

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They aren't paying a 1st to dump Hunter, they are paying a 1st to to turn 2 underwater contracts to near all star level scorer.
The reason it costs only a protected 1st is because of his contract situation, otherwise the price would have been higher, significantly so.
I understand not wanting the specific player or the specific skillset, that's a valid opinion, but on valuation this is very good value for the Hawks, too good in fact...

[dms269]

Bulls don't belong here, Capela is slipping fast, but Vuc is skydiving...
in a Capella/Hunter for Ingram exchange, Hawks awe value, at least the 27 1st they got for Murray, maybe more...

I can't imagine Atlanta is willing to move a first to dump Hunter's contract. He has been playing well this season in limited games due to recovering from another injury. Additionally Atlanta isn't going to want to give Ingram the contract he is going to want this offseason, so they would essentially be paying a first for a rental and salary dump.

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They aren't paying a 1st to dump Hunter, they are paying a 1st to to turn 2 underwater contracts to near all star level scorer.
The reason it costs only a protected 1st is because of his contract situation, otherwise the price would have been higher, significantly so.
I understand not wanting the specific player or the specific skillset, that's a valid opinion, but on valuation this is very good value for the Hawks, too good in fact...

We can't look at valuation in a vacuum and pretend that factoring in team's roster builds and salary constraint don't exist. If Atlanta was a 4-5 seed that needed that push to make them a contender then the trade likely makes sense. Does Atlanta move Capela large expiring and a slightly overpaid Hunter (who isn't as bad as many on the site want him to be, compare his metrics to Ingram sans volume) for a player who will be a rental due to Atlanta not able or willing to give him a 4/200 deal? With Risacher in the wings, players needing extensions/current ones kicking in (Daniels and Johnson), Ingram doesn't make sense for the team.

[Mavrelous]

I can't imagine Atlanta is willing to move a first to dump Hunter's contract. He has been playing well this season in limited games due to recovering from another injury. Additionally Atlanta isn't going to want to give Ingram the contract he is going to want this offseason, so they would essentially be paying a first for a rental and salary dump.

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They aren't paying a 1st to dump Hunter, they are paying a 1st to to turn 2 underwater contracts to near all star level scorer.
The reason it costs only a protected 1st is because of his contract situation, otherwise the price would have been higher, significantly so.
I understand not wanting the specific player or the specific skillset, that's a valid opinion, but on valuation this is very good value for the Hawks, too good in fact...

We can't look at valuation in a vacuum and pretend that factoring in team's roster builds and salary constraint don't exist.

We can, we shouldn't though, and OP didn't...

If Atlanta was a 4-5 seed that needed that push to make them a contender then the trade likely makes sense.

Yes, this trade doesn't make sense if ATL expect to tank, if they want to compete, this makes sense, IMO at least.

Does Atlanta move Capela large expiring and a slightly overpaid Hunter (who isn't as bad as many on the site want him to be, compare his metrics to Ingram sans volume) for a player who will be a rental due to Atlanta not able or willing to give him a 4/200 deal? With Risacher in the wings, players needing extensions/current ones kicking in (Daniels and Johnson), Ingram doesn't make sense for the team.

What ATL get is 50 games to look at Ingram's fit and bird rights to sign him, his next contract will be based on highest offer and no one knows what it will be, right now, no one is offering the max for Ingram.

[ChettheJet]

Great for the Bulls to shed the final year on Vucevic's contract. No clue if Capela wants to stay for much less money but that would make it even better. Matkovic would stay in the G League so what kind of a look the Bills get is highly questionable. He's be behind Williams, Phillips their own 2nd round pick, Buzelis their latest 1st round pick and even Torrey Craig at this point so he could be the G for quite some time.

everybody else, if they like it so be it

[pipfan]

Bulls fan here, I'd throw in the Port 1st if we could get a 2nd back.

Atl rolls the dice-with their pick debt adding BI helps them fight for the Playin/1st round

NO needs a real center. Vuc looks GREAT on offense this year, and his defense is a bit better. They could start a big lineup, and move CJ to super 6th man
Murry/Murphy/Hunter/Jones/Vuc
Missi/CJ main bench pieces

Who knows where Zion fits

[HMFFL]

New Orleans doesn't receive enough value.

Hawks accept and I doubt Chicago says yes.

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