Payton Pritchards trade value?

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Re: Payton Pritchards trade value? 

Post#41 » by zimpy27 » Tue Nov 19, 2024 8:35 pm

Djh7475 wrote:I don’t understand why folks are calling this a small sample size. His shooting clips are marginally above his career numbers…he’s just playing quite a bit more and shooting a lot more now that his teammates and coach have confidence in him. It’s natural progression and has nothing to do with sample size. If he continues to get this number of minutes and 3’s up, he’ll continue to put up similar scoring numbers.

His passing/defense is extremely underrated too, but the Celtics use him almost exclusively as a microwave shooter. There’s no chance the Celtics would trade him for anything they’d get offered. Signing him to the cheap extension before he had a relatively big jump last year and another this year is more valuable to the Celtics than any team in the NBA. Celtics would be much more likely to trade Jrue and move Jaylen back to the 2/Hauser to the 3/Tatum to the 4. Jrue’s contract would have a much bigger impact on our luxury tax payments next year plus he still has a significant trade value around the league.



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Re: Payton Pritchards trade value? 

Post#42 » by AmusingFiddle » Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:00 pm

Boston:
Out - PP & FRP
In - Walker Kessler

Utah:
Out - Walker Kessler
In - PP & FRP

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/8812367
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Re: Payton Pritchards trade value? 

Post#43 » by babyjax13 » Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:44 pm

AmusingFiddle wrote:Boston:
Out - PP & FRP
In - Walker Kessler

Utah:
Out - Walker Kessler
In - PP & FRP

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/8812367

I'd do it, but I don't see it for Boston. I'm honestly intrigued enough with Prichard to add yet another guard, but I'd only say yes to this b/c it feels like a bit of an overpay? At least to me?
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Re: Payton Pritchards trade value? 

Post#44 » by Toine85 » Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:48 pm

Whatever you think Donte Divincenzo's trade value is...I think that's Payton Pritchard's.
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Post#45 » by 165bows » Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:52 pm

Toine85 wrote:Whatever you think Donte Divincenzo's trade value is...I think that's Payton Pritchard's.

First time he was traded it was for a couple seconds, then he got traded for KAT.
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Post#46 » by Toine85 » Wed Nov 20, 2024 3:00 pm

165bows wrote:
Toine85 wrote:Whatever you think Donte Divincenzo's trade value is...I think that's Payton Pritchard's.

First time he was traded it was for a couple seconds, then he got traded for KAT.


Wasn't straight up for KAT though... :wink:
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Re: Payton Pritchards trade value? 

Post#47 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Nov 20, 2024 4:08 pm

165bows wrote:
Toine85 wrote:Whatever you think Donte Divincenzo's trade value is...I think that's Payton Pritchard's.

First time he was traded it was for a couple seconds, then he got traded for KAT.


He also got non tendered a qualifying offer in between. :dontknow:
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Re: Payton Pritchards trade value? 

Post#48 » by hugepatsfan » Wed Nov 20, 2024 4:15 pm

DDV is 6'4", Pritchard is 6'1". That's a huge difference because Pritchard plays like a SG rather than a PG so you'll need a primary offensive initiator next to him but he's too small to defend wings so you're hard pressed to play him next to a small PG. It limits your options to a big degree and makes roster composition harder. DDV, at 6'4" doesn't have those same concerns. He can be a legit SG on defense.

In order for Pritchard to be a viable starter I think he'll need to play next to either a great combo guard who can run point on offense or a point forward type so he can be called the "PG" but not handle the traditional role of it offensively. In BOS, he has Holiday/White as the combo guards and Tatum as a point forward so it works beautifuly.

It's kind of a generic answer but I'd be really, really curious to see him on ORL where he could play next to Suggs (combo guard) and with Paolo (point forward). I think he'd really break out there and be a legit starting caliber player.
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Re: Payton Pritchards trade value? 

Post#49 » by Toine85 » Thu Nov 21, 2024 3:42 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:DDV is 6'4", Pritchard is 6'1". That's a huge difference because Pritchard plays like a SG rather than a PG so you'll need a primary offensive initiator next to him but he's too small to defend wings so you're hard pressed to play him next to a small PG. It limits your options to a big degree and makes roster composition harder. DDV, at 6'4" doesn't have those same concerns. He can be a legit SG on defense.

In order for Pritchard to be a viable starter I think he'll need to play next to either a great combo guard who can run point on offense or a point forward type so he can be called the "PG" but not handle the traditional role of it offensively. In BOS, he has Holiday/White as the combo guards and Tatum as a point forward so it works beautifuly.

It's kind of a generic answer but I'd be really, really curious to see him on ORL where he could play next to Suggs (combo guard) and with Paolo (point forward). I think he'd really break out there and be a legit starting caliber player.


This is a very good assessment. Pritchard pretty much needs a player like Eric Snow during the Allen Iverson days: A "PG" who doesn't need the touches and was willing and able to guard the SG. Other teams could use that type of player too (ATL with Trae, SAC with D. Fox) and unfortunately Pritchard is not on the same tier as those guys in terms of carrying the offensive load of a team.
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Re: Payton Pritchards trade value? 

Post#50 » by Homerclease » Sat Nov 30, 2024 5:36 pm

Not interested in trading Pritchard at all, but the disrespect in this thread for him is wild to say the least
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Re: Payton Pritchards trade value? 

Post#51 » by Texas Chuck » Sat Nov 30, 2024 5:38 pm

guy has a career game and I figured someone would rush to bump this thinking they really have something. Corey Brewer scored 50 once.
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Re: Payton Pritchards trade value? 

Post#52 » by Homerclease » Sat Nov 30, 2024 5:51 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:guy has a career game and I figured someone would rush to bump this thinking they really have something. Corey Brewer scored 50 once.

Tony Delk too. If you think my post was about one game, than you can’t see the forest through the trees.
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Post#53 » by Texas Chuck » Sat Nov 30, 2024 6:01 pm

Homerclease wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:guy has a career game and I figured someone would rush to bump this thinking they really have something. Corey Brewer scored 50 once.

Tony Delk too. If you think my post was about one game, than you can’t see the forest through the trees.


I know its about one game because the thread has been dormant and then after yesterday here you are. :D

I know he's had a good offensive year. Not sure that means he's now as good as he's been hard sold itt, but I definitely acknowledge he's had a solid offensive year.
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Re: Payton Pritchards trade value? 

Post#54 » by brackdan70 » Sun Dec 1, 2024 2:57 am

Texas Chuck wrote:guy has a career game and I figured someone would rush to bump this thinking they really have something. Corey Brewer scored 50 once.

You still salty about him out playing Doncic in the finals.















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Re: Payton Pritchards trade value? 

Post#55 » by Texas Chuck » Sun Dec 1, 2024 3:31 am

brackdan70 wrote:You still salty about him out playing Doncic in the finals.


Like a damn pretzel.
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Post#56 » by MasterIchiro » Sun Dec 1, 2024 3:43 am

Highly doubt the Celtics are listening seriously on any of the players on that championship roster.

Continuity factors into winning beyond selling high and buying low. He fits the roster perfectly in his role, even exceeding expectations.

He is really a PG3 (behind Jrue and White) moonlighting as a 6th man of the year. I like the way he plays tenacious defense as well, and seems to play with a natural confidence that translates into buckets in high stakes situations.

But there's no way a bad team targets him to be a starter and therefore no reason to bid starter value for PG2. Give up a lottery pick for him?

His greatest value is a PG2 and 6MOY for a championship team. If the Celtics were to bid for such a player, they'd surely offer 1 draft pick.

But what the hell is a championship team going to do with pick 29 or 30? How is that late 1st round player going to compete for 6moy or be trusted with the ball in his hands with a game on the line or a series on the line.

This valuation is an act of futility.

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Re: Payton Pritchards trade value? 

Post#57 » by hugepatsfan » Mon Dec 2, 2024 4:31 pm

Celtics have the 2nd best record in the NBA this year and they're still considered the title favorite by many. Pritchard has been easily their 5th best player with Porzingis out. It's a small sample size, but if a guy can be the 5th best player on the championship favorite like he has been... is it really crazy to think he could be the 4th best on a still good but not as good team? Or the 3rd best on a bad team?

Reading this thread it feels like there's only two extremes...

One side is saying he's a marginal player who looks good on the bench on a stacked team but would be a flop elsewhere and no one would give anything of value for him or consider giving him a starting role. That seems totally dismissive of the fact that Pritchard has played a pretty big role on the Celtics. It's not really fair to just say he's been along for the ride this year. It's also not taking into account that BOS is the defending champs coming off one of the more statistically dominating seasons of all time and they brought everyone back and are close to best record in the league again and the way you end up that good is that many of the players for you are playing lesser roles than they'd be capable of elsewhere.

On the other side, all star seems pretty long ways to go for him like some have suggested and while maybe he could be a bigger piece somewhere else, it seems a stretch to think he's part of the "star" group of players. Maybe on a loaded team like BOS whereas on a lesser team he could be a quality starter, but he's not a star player or anything right now.

I think the biggest thing depressing his value is undersized scoring guard isn't the most in demand type of skill set for non star players. There's not the position scarcity there to drive up the price. So even if there are teams he could be a good starter for, I doubt many would be in a rush to pay a premium price for him.

The only example that really makes sense is ORL where they have the need for Pritchard's skill set, compensating skill sets on the rest of the roster, and the quality of team that justifies pursuing "win now" moves on the margins. That's the only team I can really see being motivated to make an offer that would actually warrant consideration for BOS to part with him, and they aren't going to trade him to arguably the team that scares them most in the East IMO.

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