Orlando gets shooting from Brooklyn

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Re: Orlando gets shooting from Brooklyn 

Post#21 » by OrlandoDream » Mon Dec 2, 2024 8:33 pm

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OrlandoDream wrote:I would love Cam Johnson on this team but it would be a 1-2 year rental. We wont be able to extend him after Paolo's supermax kicks in. We would need to include KCP in that deal. KCP, Cole and 1st for Cam? Sign me up



Whoa Whoa Whoa...KCP does everything Cam does AND is an elite defender...both make around $22m. No way do I add a pick and, honestly, I don't do it at all. Why trade your starter for a guy destined to be a limited minutes backup (don't tell me Cam's defending guards)?

KCP has been playing well last 3 games but whos to say Cam isn't an upgrade over him? Cam young vet with a lot of game left in him. KCP wont be here past his contract which he will be around 35 then. I don't expect him to keep this level of defense for much longer. Overall just saying Cam Johnson would be an upgrade.
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Re: Orlando gets shooting from Brooklyn 

Post#22 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Dec 2, 2024 9:17 pm

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Skybox wrote:
OrlandoDream wrote:I would love Cam Johnson on this team but it would be a 1-2 year rental. We wont be able to extend him after Paolo's supermax kicks in. We would need to include KCP in that deal. KCP, Cole and 1st for Cam? Sign me up



Whoa Whoa Whoa...KCP does everything Cam does AND is an elite defender...both make around $22m. No way do I add a pick and, honestly, I don't do it at all. Why trade your starter for a guy destined to be a limited minutes backup (don't tell me Cam's defending guards)?

KCP has been playing well last 3 games but whos to say Cam isn't an upgrade over him? Cam young vet with a lot of game left in him. KCP wont be here past his contract which he will be around 35 then. I don't expect him to keep this level of defense for much longer. Overall just saying Cam Johnson would be an upgrade.



I think a KCP making shots is more valuable personally--which is why I made this deal using different salary matching. But I also disagree Cam is a limited minute guy. I mean there is 28-30 mpg for him with a healthy Wagner/Paulo without ever playing them all together--but you can obviously play them all together in a PNR league where everyone switches everything.

But I find it interesting how many posters look at an apron issue that won't manifest for 2 years and think you can't make moves around the margins like this. I just firmly disagree. Look how much rosters turn over in 2 years just in general. Its just we get attached to our guys and assume they will all play out every contract.
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Re: Orlando gets shooting from Brooklyn 

Post#23 » by OrlandoDream » Mon Dec 2, 2024 10:22 pm

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Whoa Whoa Whoa...KCP does everything Cam does AND is an elite defender...both make around $22m. No way do I add a pick and, honestly, I don't do it at all. Why trade your starter for a guy destined to be a limited minutes backup (don't tell me Cam's defending guards)?

KCP has been playing well last 3 games but whos to say Cam isn't an upgrade over him? Cam young vet with a lot of game left in him. KCP wont be here past his contract which he will be around 35 then. I don't expect him to keep this level of defense for much longer. Overall just saying Cam Johnson would be an upgrade.



I think a KCP making shots is more valuable personally--which is why I made this deal using different salary matching. But I also disagree Cam is a limited minute guy. I mean there is 28-30 mpg for him with a healthy Wagner/Paulo without ever playing them all together--but you can obviously play them all together in a PNR league where everyone switches everything.

But I find it interesting how many posters look at an apron issue that won't manifest for 2 years and think you can't make moves around the margins like this. I just firmly disagree. Look how much rosters turn over in 2 years just in general. Its just we get attached to our guys and assume they will all play out every contract.

Surpringly, our front office doesn't make a lot of trades that impact core rotation guys Really our last big trade for a starter was the Vucevic to Chicago. Which is kinda wild to believe that was 4 years ago. Weltman is big on organic growth and not over$pending.


There are a couple of sellers this season in the Bulls, Jazz, Wizards, and Nets. If the right opportunity presents to grab an upgrade bench piece, we take it. But right now, I just don't see this front office ma
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Re: Orlando gets shooting from Brooklyn 

Post#24 » by Skybox » Mon Dec 2, 2024 10:33 pm

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Skybox wrote:

Whoa Whoa Whoa...KCP does everything Cam does AND is an elite defender...both make around $22m. No way do I add a pick and, honestly, I don't do it at all. Why trade your starter for a guy destined to be a limited minutes backup (don't tell me Cam's defending guards)?

KCP has been playing well last 3 games but whos to say Cam isn't an upgrade over him? Cam young vet with a lot of game left in him. KCP wont be here past his contract which he will be around 35 then. I don't expect him to keep this level of defense for much longer. Overall just saying Cam Johnson would be an upgrade.



I think a KCP making shots is more valuable personally--which is why I made this deal using different salary matching. But I also disagree Cam is a limited minute guy. I mean there is 28-30 mpg for him with a healthy Wagner/Paulo without ever playing them all together--but you can obviously play them all together in a PNR league where everyone switches everything.

But I find it interesting how many posters look at an apron issue that won't manifest for 2 years and think you can't make moves around the margins like this. I just firmly disagree. Look how much rosters turn over in 2 years just in general. It's just we get attached to our guys and assume they will all play out every contract.


I don't object to spending the money...I'd be looking to spend on someone who more clearly addresses a need than Cam Johnson. I think his availability has made him appear more attractive...I know I've been subject to that with Schroder and Simons myself. I just don't see a lot of impact from Cam on this team in particular.

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