BKN/LAL II

[dcstanley]

BKN in: D'angelo Russell, Rui Hachimura, 2028 swap, 2029 unprotected FRP, 2025 LAC SRP, 2027 LAL SRP

LAL in: Cam Johnson, Trendon Watford, Ziaire Williams


Lakers trade an expiring and post LBJ/AD draft capital for size, athleticism and shooting. Nets cash in on some of the guys they have on the market as they begin selling to improve their lottery odds.

[TheNetsFan]

Lakers can't aggregate, and I don’t think the Nets will take on Rui. Counter: DLo + FRP +SRP for DFS+Shake

[nzahir]

Lakers can't aggregate, and I don’t think the Nets will take on Rui. Counter: DLo + FRP +SRP for DFS+Shake

Why cant we? Were not in the 2nd appron

Not giving up Dlo and a 1st and a 2nd for DFS

Dlo is still a decent player and at worst an expiring

Maybe a team like Orlando could him instead of Cole anthony? Cole+Gary Harris/Howard and filler

Would they give up a couple 2nds for him to route to BKN?

If we are giving up a 1st, I want to see if we can add swaps and 2nds to get CamJ as well

If not possible, would you guys take a 28 swap and 2 2nds for DFS?

[JKiddy]

Sean Marks counters:

We have already had our turn with DLO and would only be doing this to help faciliate a trade with you. We prefer DFS over DLO. If you keep in the 1st we can talk. If not, we will go no further.

LAL calls back and agrees to keep the 1st.

BK counters with Shake Milton, DFS, BK 2nd pick of LAL's choice, for DLO and a 1st that Lakers choose between 2028, 2029, or 2030.

[zimpy27]

Sean Marks counters:

We have already had our turn with DLO and would only be doing this to help faciliate a trade with you. We prefer DFS over DLO. If you keep in the 1st we can talk. If not, we will go no further.

LAL calls back and agrees to keep the 1st.

BK counters with Shake Milton, DFS, BK 2nd pick of LAL's choice, for DLO and a 1st that Lakers choose between 2028, 2029, or 2030.

Lakers are after CamJ..

What is the offer for CamJ?

[brackdan70]

Lakers can't aggregate, and I don’t think the Nets will take on Rui. Counter: DLo + FRP +SRP for DFS+Shake

Why cant we? Were not in the 2nd appron

Not giving up Dlo and a 1st and a 2nd for DFS

Dlo is still a decent player and at worst an expiring

Maybe a team like Orlando could him instead of Cole anthony? Cole+Gary Harris/Howard and filler

Would they give up a couple 2nds for him to route to BKN?

If we are giving up a 1st, I want to see if we can add swaps and 2nds to get CamJ as well

If not possible, would you guys take a 28 swap and 2 2nds for DFS?

They are 30K under the second apron. So technically could aggregate but then are hard capped there if they do make a trade aggregating players. .after this trade the would be a couple million under the Apron. I think it’s legal.

[brackdan70]

This seems like it’s pretty close to fair value for Cam. That could be a nice pick. Rui could be a useful player or moved for another second.
That said I could see Nets hoping for better. They just got a boatload of firsts for Bridges so they may have an unrealistic vision of the Market.

[Karmaloop]

Sean Marks counters:

We have already had our turn with DLO and would only be doing this to help faciliate a trade with you. We prefer DFS over DLO. If you keep in the 1st we can talk. If not, we will go no further.

LAL calls back and agrees to keep the 1st.

BK counters with Shake Milton, DFS, BK 2nd pick of LAL's choice, for DLO and a 1st that Lakers choose between 2028, 2029, or 2030.

Why must this board insist that [insert generic role player] is worth a lightly (or unprotected) FRP? Nobody is giving a FRP with any real substantial value for DFS. Throwing in Shake Milton and a SRP doesn't change the equation.

[Scoot McGroot]

LA’s not going to tie up one of their last tradeable 1sts for DFS. And DFS can’t pull an unprotected first. A late one, maybe.

As for the OP, an unprotected for Cam is probably a bit much. Maybe LA is desperate and does it. But they’re not adding in swaps and other 2nds. And LA would have to be able to choose their salary matching and whatever salary filler back they want. Even then, feels like LA could still put top 4 protection on it.

[giberish]

LA’s not going to tie up one of their last tradeable 1sts for DFS. And DFS can’t pull an unprotected first. A late one, maybe.

As for the OP, an unprotected for Cam is probably a bit much. Maybe LA is desperate and does it. But they’re not adding in swaps and other 2nds. And LA would have to be able to choose their salary matching and whatever salary filler back they want. Even then, feels like LA could still put top 4 protection on it.

Agreed. A top-4 protected 2029 1st for this deal seems reasonable (you can debate whether LA should be limiting their post-LeBron flexibility for current upgrades but they have to be adding some value). Or else an unprotected 2028 swap and a 2nd or two if LA wants the debt cleared sooner and/or BK wants the upside.

[drchaos]

Sean Marks counters:

We have already had our turn with DLO and would only be doing this to help faciliate a trade with you. We prefer DFS over DLO. If you keep in the 1st we can talk. If not, we will go no further.

LAL calls back and agrees to keep the 1st.

BK counters with Shake Milton, DFS, BK 2nd pick of LAL's choice, for DLO and a 1st that Lakers choose between 2028, 2029, or 2030.

Why must this board insist that [insert generic role player] is worth a lightly (or unprotected) FRP? Nobody is giving a FRP with any real substantial value for DFS. Throwing in Shake Milton and a SRP doesn't change the equation.

Just how many times has a Laker pick even ended up in the top 5?

As a popular free agent destination the value of their first round picks should be highly discounted.

I would rather take a future first from the Hornets or the Suns than the Lakers.

[Scoot McGroot]

Sean Marks counters:

We have already had our turn with DLO and would only be doing this to help faciliate a trade with you. We prefer DFS over DLO. If you keep in the 1st we can talk. If not, we will go no further.

LAL calls back and agrees to keep the 1st.

BK counters with Shake Milton, DFS, BK 2nd pick of LAL's choice, for DLO and a 1st that Lakers choose between 2028, 2029, or 2030.

Why must this board insist that [insert generic role player] is worth a lightly (or unprotected) FRP? Nobody is giving a FRP with any real substantial value for DFS. Throwing in Shake Milton and a SRP doesn't change the equation.

Just how many times has a Laker pick even ended up in the top 5?

As a popular free agent destination the value of their first round picks should be highly discounted.

I would rather take a future first from the Hornets or the Suns than the Lakers.

4 times in the last ten years? And another couple picks at 7…..

But also, LA got LeBron in via free agency, and paid heavily for AD via trade (so they were then limited in what they could trade elsewhere). But in free agency, how else have they done lately? After Howard/Nash, it’s basically just LeBron? That’s a long run with only one guy.


I’m just willing to be realistic and say that maybe the rest of the league is as willing, or more, to spend as the Lakers are under the Buss heirs?

[drchaos]

Why must this board insist that [insert generic role player] is worth a lightly (or unprotected) FRP? Nobody is giving a FRP with any real substantial value for DFS. Throwing in Shake Milton and a SRP doesn't change the equation.

Just how many times has a Laker pick even ended up in the top 5?

As a popular free agent destination the value of their first round picks should be highly discounted.

I would rather take a future first from the Hornets or the Suns than the Lakers.

4 times in the last ten years? And another couple picks at 7…..

But also, LA got LeBron in via free agency, and paid heavily for AD via trade (so they were then limited in what they could trade elsewhere). But in free agency, how else have they done lately? After Howard/Nash, it’s basically just LeBron? That’s a long run with only one guy.


I’m just willing to be realistic and say that maybe the rest of the league is as willing, or more, to spend as the Lakers are under the Buss heirs?

In recent memory the Lakers have won championships with Lebron and Shaq coming as free agents.

I understand that Lakers fans know Lebron has to retire at some point and they think that pick in 2029 is gold but given ADs age who says the Lakers don't reload with a big time free agent and by 2029 they are a top five team.

They Lakers should be doing everything they can to win a chip now while Lebron is still playing great and holding those future first rounders dear will keep it from happening.

The Nets have all the cards as they can afford to patiently wait until the trade deadline for a team to at least slightly overpay as the Knicks did for Bridges.

Sean Marks is no dummy, he knows that a hungry team will need one of our guys to get ahead of the competition.

[jbk1234]

I don't think the Lakers are a trade like this away from contending. Their issues are more fundamental at this point.

[Scoot McGroot]

Just how many times has a Laker pick even ended up in the top 5?

As a popular free agent destination the value of their first round picks should be highly discounted.

I would rather take a future first from the Hornets or the Suns than the Lakers.

4 times in the last ten years? And another couple picks at 7…..

But also, LA got LeBron in via free agency, and paid heavily for AD via trade (so they were then limited in what they could trade elsewhere). But in free agency, how else have they done lately? After Howard/Nash, it’s basically just LeBron? That’s a long run with only one guy.


I’m just willing to be realistic and say that maybe the rest of the league is as willing, or more, to spend as the Lakers are under the Buss heirs?

In recent memory the Lakers have won championships with Lebron and Shaq coming as free agents.

Yes. Shaq signed with the Lakers in 96 and Lebron signed with the Lakers in 2018. And yet, they don't have a Kobe to bridge a gap to a next one, and they also haven't been able to surround Lebron/AD with a deep team like the previous Lakers, in a different cap/CBA era, were able to around Kobe/Shaq. But, in 28 years, you've listed 2 guys, and they haven't really been mentioned for others lately...

I understand that Lakers fans know Lebron has to retire at some point and they think that pick in 2029 is gold but given ADs age who says the Lakers don't reload with a big time free agent and by 2029 they are a top five team.

I am most certainly not a Lakers fan. I'm generally a hater of the Lakers. Just trying to speak truth to basketball and the market, though?

They Lakers should be doing everything they can to win a chip now while Lebron is still playing great and holding those future first rounders dear will keep it from happening.

You really think that overpaying for Cam Johnson, and thus being able to ONLY add Cam Johnson, is the championship winning move for them? It guarantees it?

The Nets have all the cards as they can afford to patiently wait until the trade deadline for a team to at least slightly overpay as the Knicks did for Bridges.

Sean Marks is no dummy, he knows that a hungry team will need one of our guys to get ahead of the competition.

"My team holds all the cards" just isn't true. You're team can decide if they'll accept an offer or not, but Cam Johnson can get injured again and be untradeable. He can also revert back to the same player he's been all the other 5 years of his career and lose the "bonus" value he has now of even being worth a good 1st (albeit not an unprotected one, and a swap, and multiple 2nds, and....). Or, the market can zig a bit and go elsewhere. Every year teams hold onto their guys for a larger payday than they can get and end up never able to get that value again.

Goes both ways.

[zimpy27]

Schroeder, CamJ, DFS, Wilson
For
DLo, Rui, Vincent, Christie, LAL29FRP, LAL28swap


I could see lakers doing this trade just to get a well rounded squad.

Reaves, DFS, CamJ, LeBron, Davis
Schroeder, Reddish, Knecht, Vando, Wood

[mademan]

I don't think the Lakers are a trade like this away from contending. Their issues are more fundamental at this point.

+1. Lakers big problems is that they dont have a great number 1 offensive option. Im not saying they wont give unprotected 1sts for role players as they have made some bad decisions in the recent past, but this would be just a continuation of that.

They should either trade Lebron or let the next 2 years ride out as a play in team. There's no reason to destroy your future flexibility for a non title core.

[Karmaloop]

Just how many times has a Laker pick even ended up in the top 5?

As a popular free agent destination the value of their first round picks should be highly discounted.

I would rather take a future first from the Hornets or the Suns than the Lakers.

This whole LA is a FA destination needs to die a painful death. They've signed 2 major FAs in the last 30 years, and both signed more for off-the-court value than for their current rosters when they signed. In that same period, the Lakers also lost one major FA (Dwight Howard) to FA. This isn't the Los Angeles Dodgers. The notion that the Lakers are just going to rebuild overnight in a post-LeBron era is a Lakers' fan wet dream. Remember when we were told that the Lakers would be back on top in no time after Kobe retired? The Lakers at one point averaged 27 wins over a 6 season period. They were awful. They weren't even fun to watch.

And LIS, nobody is giving up a lightly (or unprotected) FRP for your good, but not great 3&D role player. That's not what those players fetch. Not to mention, the Suns aren't trading their '31 FRP for DFS and the Hornets aren't dealing anything of substantial value for him. I mean, I guess if you prefer a top 20 pick that's like 10 years away from those teams over the Lakers all the power to you.

[JB2]

Lakers waiting til this summer (or beyond) for a big trade allows them to throw another 1st into the offer. Blowing their load on a mediocre player who still puts them an all star away from seriously competing is just not smart. A guy like Vuc makes a ton of sense for this reason. A) you get a good player who won't cost much (2 2nds?) and B) you get a large expiring next summer/season to combine with 3 picks to offer around.