Bam goes home. Miami rebuilds.

[babyjax13]

Bridges and Williams have minimal value, if any at all. So the bulk of the value is in the picks, and this just isn't enough. I think Miami would ask for Miller.

[JMAC3]

Bridges and Williams have minimal value, if any at all. So the bulk of the value is in the picks, and this just isn't enough. I think Miami would ask for Miller.

Bridges is just salary filler mostly, but I agree this wouldn't be enough for Bam.

After Charlotte misses the playoffs, they will have 6 tradeable first round picks (4 of their own plus Miami and Dallas future firsts) and all swaps and 14 2nd rounders. If Charlotte wanted to be aggressive in trade market I don't think we are at the point where we can say they don't have enough assets to acquire a top 30 player.

Also, no shot Brandon Miller would be involved in a trade unless it were for a top 5 player in the league, Bam isn't close to that.

[babyjax13]

Bridges and Williams have minimal value, if any at all. So the bulk of the value is in the picks, and this just isn't enough. I think Miami would ask for Miller.

Bridges is just salary filler mostly, but I agree this wouldn't be enough for Bam.

After Charlotte misses the playoffs, they will have 6 tradeable first round picks (4 of their own plus Miami and Dallas future firsts) and all swaps and 14 2nd rounders. If Charlotte wanted to be aggressive in trade market I don't think we are at the point where we can say they don't have enough assets to acquire a top 30 player.

Also, no shot Brandon Miller would be involved in a trade unless it were for a top 5 player in the league, Bam isn't close to that.

I agree Charlotte should not trade Miller. Miami just isn't going to trade Bam without a similarly talented player coming back, or someone with the potential to be a top 30-40 player (at worst).

[Devilanche]

Bridges and Williams have minimal value, if any at all. So the bulk of the value is in the picks, and this just isn't enough. I think Miami would ask for Miller.

Bridges is just salary filler mostly, but I agree this wouldn't be enough for Bam.

After Charlotte misses the playoffs, they will have 6 tradeable first round picks (4 of their own plus Miami and Dallas future firsts) and all swaps and 14 2nd rounders. If Charlotte wanted to be aggressive in trade market I don't think we are at the point where we can say they don't have enough assets to acquire a top 30 player.

Also, no shot Brandon Miller would be involved in a trade unless it were for a top 5 player in the league, Bam isn't close to that.

If Brandon miller is of the table , is lamelo on it ?
If he’s off as well, probably no chance Charlotte will be in the mix for bam.

Pat Riley is the most unlikely executive to go for a rebuild.
Unless you are putting cooper Flagg on the table I guess. But a Flagg / miller/ lamelo trio has a longer term runway than making that trade.

[BBallFreak]

Bridges and Williams have minimal value, if any at all. So the bulk of the value is in the picks, and this just isn't enough. I think Miami would ask for Miller.

Bridges is just salary filler mostly, but I agree this wouldn't be enough for Bam.

After Charlotte misses the playoffs, they will have 6 tradeable first round picks (4 of their own plus Miami and Dallas future firsts) and all swaps and 14 2nd rounders. If Charlotte wanted to be aggressive in trade market I don't think we are at the point where we can say they don't have enough assets to acquire a top 30 player.

Also, no shot Brandon Miller would be involved in a trade unless it were for a top 5 player in the league, Bam isn't close to that.

If Brandon miller is of the table , is lamelo on it ?
If he’s off as well, probably no chance Charlotte will be in the mix for bam.

Pat Riley is the most unlikely executive to go for a rebuild.
Unless you are putting cooper Flagg on the table I guess. But a Flagg / miller/ lamelo trio has a longer term runway than making that trade.

Three team trades exist. I agree though, a trade directly with Charlotte is unlikely

[Devilanche]

Bridges is just salary filler mostly, but I agree this wouldn't be enough for Bam.

After Charlotte misses the playoffs, they will have 6 tradeable first round picks (4 of their own plus Miami and Dallas future firsts) and all swaps and 14 2nd rounders. If Charlotte wanted to be aggressive in trade market I don't think we are at the point where we can say they don't have enough assets to acquire a top 30 player.

Also, no shot Brandon Miller would be involved in a trade unless it were for a top 5 player in the league, Bam isn't close to that.

If Brandon miller is of the table , is lamelo on it ?
If he’s off as well, probably no chance Charlotte will be in the mix for bam.

Pat Riley is the most unlikely executive to go for a rebuild.
Unless you are putting cooper Flagg on the table I guess. But a Flagg / miller/ lamelo trio has a longer term runway than making that trade.

Three team trades exist. I agree though, a trade directly with Charlotte is unlikely

I only see Miami trading off bam if Riley is retiring . Otherwise he probably will keep team somewhat competitive (in his view) no matter what anyone else think.

Whatever may happen with jimmy butler (or his contract).

[VaDe255]

At the OP price it makes sense to trade for Bam but not sure about adding extra picks.

I think OKC should try get the Miami pick from Charlotte (Dort for Green, Mia 1st, nice fit next to Ball, still multi years left on his deal).

Then do Hartenstein, Green (seems the type of player Miami should be able to mould.), 2 Miami picks as a starter for Bam, Robinson, Hartenstein could be re-routed for another pick.

Cha out: Green, Mia 1st
Cha in: Dort
Significant upgrade over Green.

Mia out: Bam, Robinson
Mia in: Hartenstein, Green, 2 Miami 1sts
Cut 10M in salaries this year, gain back their picks plus whatever they get for Hartenstein. Green should be able to develop in Miami (still young and athletic with a good work ethic).

OKC out: Harenstein, Dort, Miami 1st
OKC in: Bam, Robinson
Upgrade Hatenstein to Bam and shed some future money.

OKC could add some extra later 1sts or young players where needed.

Gobert/Bridges went for 5 FRPs and Miami trades Bam for 2 and some fillers? This is not even close.

[JMAC3]

Bridges and Williams have minimal value, if any at all. So the bulk of the value is in the picks, and this just isn't enough. I think Miami would ask for Miller.

Bridges is just salary filler mostly, but I agree this wouldn't be enough for Bam.

After Charlotte misses the playoffs, they will have 6 tradeable first round picks (4 of their own plus Miami and Dallas future firsts) and all swaps and 14 2nd rounders. If Charlotte wanted to be aggressive in trade market I don't think we are at the point where we can say they don't have enough assets to acquire a top 30 player.

Also, no shot Brandon Miller would be involved in a trade unless it were for a top 5 player in the league, Bam isn't close to that.

If Brandon miller is of the table , is lamelo on it ?
If he’s off as well, probably no chance Charlotte will be in the mix for bam.

Pat Riley is the most unlikely executive to go for a rebuild.
Unless you are putting cooper Flagg on the table I guess. But a Flagg / miller/ lamelo trio has a longer term runway than making that trade.

This is like saying the Cavs should have had to give up Garland for Mitchell, or Timberwolves have to give up Towns for Gobert... we all know that is not how NBA trades work.

Just like Heat were never giving up Bam for Damian Lillard. All these trades are based around picks or fringe guys not a teams 23 year old core players like LaMelo or Brandon Miller lol.

[Devilanche]

Bridges is just salary filler mostly, but I agree this wouldn't be enough for Bam.

After Charlotte misses the playoffs, they will have 6 tradeable first round picks (4 of their own plus Miami and Dallas future firsts) and all swaps and 14 2nd rounders. If Charlotte wanted to be aggressive in trade market I don't think we are at the point where we can say they don't have enough assets to acquire a top 30 player.

Also, no shot Brandon Miller would be involved in a trade unless it were for a top 5 player in the league, Bam isn't close to that.

If Brandon miller is of the table , is lamelo on it ?
If he’s off as well, probably no chance Charlotte will be in the mix for bam.

Pat Riley is the most unlikely executive to go for a rebuild.
Unless you are putting cooper Flagg on the table I guess. But a Flagg / miller/ lamelo trio has a longer term runway than making that trade.

This is like saying the Cavs should have had to give up Garland for Mitchell, or Timberwolves have to give up Towns for Gobert... we all know that is not how NBA trades work.

Just like Heat were never giving up Bam for Damian Lillard. All these trades are based around picks or fringe guys not a teams 23 year old core players like LaMelo or Brandon Miller lol.

I’m just saying unless it’s a crazy overpay I don’t get the feeling that pat riley will rebuild.

So we are looking at the Damian Lillard for Jrue Holiday … or Towns for Randle trade.

[Monky15]

At the OP price it makes sense to trade for Bam but not sure about adding extra picks.

I think OKC should try get the Miami pick from Charlotte (Dort for Green, Mia 1st, nice fit next to Ball, still multi years left on his deal).

Then do Hartenstein, Green (seems the type of player Miami should be able to mould.), 2 Miami picks as a starter for Bam, Robinson, Hartenstein could be re-routed for another pick.

Cha out: Green, Mia 1st
Cha in: Dort
Significant upgrade over Green.

Mia out: Bam, Robinson
Mia in: Hartenstein, Green, 2 Miami 1sts
Cut 10M in salaries this year, gain back their picks plus whatever they get for Hartenstein. Green should be able to develop in Miami (still young and athletic with a good work ethic).

OKC out: Harenstein, Dort, Miami 1st
OKC in: Bam, Robinson
Upgrade Hatenstein to Bam and shed some future money.

OKC could add some extra later 1sts or young players where needed.

Gobert/Bridges went for 5 FRPs and Miami trades Bam for 2 and some fillers? This is not even close.

I said it was the "Starter". Insert discussion on what other picks are required?
Those 2 Miami picks could be worth more than any of the picks given up for Rudy or Bridges as it allows Miami to tank for a high pick. Having control over where the picks end up is a lot different than relying on another team to fail.

[VaDe255]

The Heat aren’t a team that tanks, they’re all about staying competitive every season. Trading Jimmy Butler this year isn’t on the table, and they’ll figure things out after the season. If he opts out, they’ll move on and deal with it. If he opts in and they decide to trade him, that’ll be something they address when the time comes.

These trade ideas are fun to talk about, but a deal involving Butler, Bam, or Herro is pretty unlikely unless they’re getting a better win-now player in return. Going forward, they’ll probably keep building around Bam and Herro, even if it means being more of a play-in team for now. Staying competitive is just what they do.

[_GH0ST_]

Miami trades: Bam
Charlotte trades: Bridges/Mark/Dal 1st/Miami 1st


Miami obviously do this trade to start the rebuild. They also get their 1st Rd pick back from the Rozier trade. Mark is a nice young center to start their rebuild around. Bridges gives them a wing who can give them some scoring.

Charlotte makes a run for the playoffs by adding Bam. This gives them a core or Melo/Miller/Bam. Also Bam goes home to NC. Maybe he gets back on track to all-star Bam being closer to home.


Who says no?

The Heat easily passed.

[JMAC3]

The Heat aren’t a team that tanks, they’re all about staying competitive every season. Trading Jimmy Butler this year isn’t on the table, and they’ll figure things out after the season. If he opts out, they’ll move on and deal with it. If he opts in and they decide to trade him, that’ll be something they address when the time comes.

These trade ideas are fun to talk about, but a deal involving Butler, Bam, or Herro is pretty unlikely unless they’re getting a better win-now player in return. Going forward, they’ll probably keep building around Bam and Herro, even if it means being more of a play-in team for now. Staying competitive is just what they do.

I just disagree that they are close to competitive with Bam and Herro as their two best players. They were the 8 seed last year, then this year they are one of the healthiest teams in the NBA and still at .500. Now we are removing Butler from the equation and minimal first rounders to trade and we think the Heat are competitive next year?

I just don't see it. Jacquez has regressed to 9 ppg and even if Ware pops he is the replacement for Bam, not a guy that will play 30+ mpg next to him.

[VaDe255]

The Heat aren’t a team that tanks, they’re all about staying competitive every season. Trading Jimmy Butler this year isn’t on the table, and they’ll figure things out after the season. If he opts out, they’ll move on and deal with it. If he opts in and they decide to trade him, that’ll be something they address when the time comes.

These trade ideas are fun to talk about, but a deal involving Butler, Bam, or Herro is pretty unlikely unless they’re getting a better win-now player in return. Going forward, they’ll probably keep building around Bam and Herro, even if it means being more of a play-in team for now. Staying competitive is just what they do.

I just disagree that they are close to competitive with Bam and Herro as their two best players. They were the 8 seed last year, then this year they are one of the healthiest teams in the NBA and still at .500. Now we are removing Butler from the equation and minimal first rounders to trade and we think the Heat are competitive next year?

I just don't see it. Jacquez has regressed to 9 ppg and even if Ware pops he is the replacement for Bam, not a guy that will play 30+ mpg next to him.

The Miami Heat have a record of 39-31 without Jimmy Butler since 2021-22, which proves they can hold their own without him.

They’ll likely stay around the 50% mark, as they usually do. When Butler era is over, it will give the younger players a chance to step up and grow into bigger roles. Even a guy like Herro is still just 24 and hasn’t even reached his peak yet.

They’ll remain competitive, keep developing their core, and be ready to add another high-impact player when the right opportunity comes along.

[Envelopes]

I doubt OKC is getting involved. Ihart is working out perfectly.
OKC is hoping Butler self destructs and the pick becomes amazing.

[louc1970]

I imagine OKC and others would outbid this. OKC owns their 2026 unp 1st if miami misses playoffs this year

Do you go into every thread and bring up OKC?

Well yeah OKC can outbid anyone. Doesn't mean they are interested in everyone.

Naw, only ones with a star big that would complete OKCs lineup.

What is IKC offering?

[JJ_PR]

Bam is a hot commodity. The O.P. isn't even close to what it would take to get him.

[BBallFreak]

The Heat aren’t a team that tanks, they’re all about staying competitive every season. Trading Jimmy Butler this year isn’t on the table, and they’ll figure things out after the season. If he opts out, they’ll move on and deal with it. If he opts in and they decide to trade him, that’ll be something they address when the time comes.

These trade ideas are fun to talk about, but a deal involving Butler, Bam, or Herro is pretty unlikely unless they’re getting a better win-now player in return. Going forward, they’ll probably keep building around Bam and Herro, even if it means being more of a play-in team for now. Staying competitive is just what they do.

I just disagree that they are close to competitive with Bam and Herro as their two best players. They were the 8 seed last year, then this year they are one of the healthiest teams in the NBA and still at .500. Now we are removing Butler from the equation and minimal first rounders to trade and we think the Heat are competitive next year?

I just don't see it. Jacquez has regressed to 9 ppg and even if Ware pops he is the replacement for Bam, not a guy that will play 30+ mpg next to him.

No disrespect but why would we care what you think? People on this board have been telling us we're not good enough for years and years. Every year we're counted out.

Now, here you come offering a terrible deal for our franchise cornerstone and tell us we're not good enough?

Pass.

[KembaWalker]

Mark Williams will be better than Bam, who is already falling off majorly as we speak, within 2 years. Charlotte isn’t close enough to competing or in possession of enough other assets to become a contender in that 2 year window with Bam as Miller and kinda Melo are still in development stages. Unless you have follow up trades to flip them for win now players too it doesn’t really make sense to pursue that timeline

Don’t really have an opinion on what Miami thinks but kinda pointless for us. Maybe this would have made sense before Mark returned if a team wanted to gamble, but now that he’s obviously not the medical retirement case that I had feared and looks spry as ever, just nah

[MasterIchiro]

Offer is weak. Heat say no.

From the Hornets side, really, a playoff push when slotted 4th overall prior to the lottery?

Makes sense for neither team.

Heat more likely to be buyers at the deadline since they're eyeballing playoff position in a weak East.

I wouldn't dismiss outright a Bam Adebayo trade. Heat could rebuild around Herro and the bundle of picks they could receive for Bam down the road a little.

Interesting to see what the Heat do if they miss the playoffs this year and draft in the lottery. They then surrender unprotected 1sts in 2026 (OKC) and 2028 (Hornets).

By waiting on the value of those picks potentially rising, the Thunder and Hornets can possibly buffer the cost. Hornets might also benefit by waiting if Mark Williams can stay healthy and build value. But if Mark Williams proves himself a core piece like LaMelo & Miller, Hornets might just keep him and direct their 6 first round picks to round out a competitive roster around those 3 plus their 2025 high lottery prospect.

If the Heat really like Mark Williams as a rebuild piece with Herro, I don't think the Thunder can offer a stronger lead piece. The attached draft capital means less when a scouting department targets a specific player. Lots of upside with Mark is not yet realized. He could become far more valuable than Hartenstein.