Denver has to trade Michael Porter Jr, right? (DEN-TOR idea)

[mirmil]

DLO/Rui/JHS/Lewis/2nds for MPJ/Saric?

For Jamal sure, for MPJ nope. Since every possesion goes through Jokic, don't think PG is something Nuggets should worry much (I don't think DLO would play bad at all next to Jokic). On the other hand I would like to see Rui in 2nd unit with Westbrook, Watson and Strawther, that unit looks way more potent than one with guys like Hunter Tyson or whoever we have in there. The only problem that appears is that Jamal doesn't look like he has any simpathy towards Lakers

[cucad8]

Just confirming, his contract is now fully guaranteed, correct? Was it the title that triggered the guarantee?

[Scoot McGroot]

Just confirming, his contract is now fully guaranteed, correct? Was it the title that triggered the guarantee?

It was fully guaranteed when Denver won the 2023 championship, as he played enough games that season to trigger the guarantee, in conjunction with the championship.

[Ell Curry]

I think Barrett has to be in the deal for it to work for Toronto.

Barrett, Agbaji, Olynyk and the PDX 2nd in 2025 for MPJ and Nnaji as an example:

Denver:

Jokic/Olynyk/Holmes
Gordon/Watson
Barrett/Agbaji
Braun/Strawther
Murray/Westbrook

Denver can draft an early 2nd round guard to try to develop in case Murray's injury issues continue, or maybe do something like the PDX 2nd and DEN 2031 unprotected and grab one of Brooklyn or OKC's multiple firsts in the 18-23 range and draft that guard.

They get Olynyk as a backup 5 stopgap until Holmes is ready. Agbaji would be a great fit, he's become a nice 3+D player and is good in transition, should fit beautifully with Jokic, and Barrett might help keep the offense afloat the 10 minutes a night Jokic sits. Good chance Agbaji starts and Barrett is the 6th man, or Agbaji closes games, though that might depend on if/when Murray is a legit #2 option or not.

For Toronto, they get a shooter at SF to fit with Barnes, and presumably draft a guard with their own top 10 pick, maybe re-sign Bruce Brown and the 2nd unit operates with no real PG:

Poeltl/MLE
Barnes/Mogbo
MPJ/Dick
2025 1st/Bruce Brown
Quickley/Walter/Mitchell

and their 2 firsts in the 2026 draft are used on a center and a PG:

Poeltl/MLE/2026 1st
Barnes/Mogbo
MPJ/Dick/Bruce Brown
2025 1st/Walter/Bruce Brown
Quickley/PG

or in a trade to upgrade on Poeltl or Quickley if that's available.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Don't want Porter Jr on this team with his, contract and more importantly the mess his brother left here. I wouldn't include Barrett plus a early second to get MPJ and Zeke Nanji that's a non-starter for Toronto.

[nomansland]

Don't want Porter Jr on this team with his, contract and more importantly the mess his brother left here. I wouldn't include Barrett plus a early second to get MPJ and Zeke Nanji that's a non-starter for Toronto.

Did his brother really leave a mess? He was an inconsequential player putting up 4.4 points in 13 minutes. And it's not like MPJ had any control over what his brother did, nor is it like MPJ was guilty of doing the same thing.

I think the Toronto FO wouldn't even really let Jontay Porter's history enter into the equation if they otherwise really liked the deal.

That said, Barrett, Agbaji, Olynyk and the PDX 2nd in 2025 for MPJ and Nnaji looks like a pretty bad deal for Toronto if I'm honest about it. That would be a pretty easy "yes" for Denver.

[Tripod]

I think Barrett has to be in the deal for it to work for Toronto.

Barrett, Agbaji, Olynyk and the PDX 2nd in 2025 for MPJ and Nnaji as an example:

Denver:

Jokic/Olynyk/Holmes
Gordon/Watson
Barrett/Agbaji
Braun/Strawther
Murray/Westbrook

Denver can draft an early 2nd round guard to try to develop in case Murray's injury issues continue, or maybe do something like the PDX 2nd and DEN 2031 unprotected and grab one of Brooklyn or OKC's multiple firsts in the 18-23 range and draft that guard.

They get Olynyk as a backup 5 stopgap until Holmes is ready. Agbaji would be a great fit, he's become a nice 3+D player and is good in transition, should fit beautifully with Jokic, and Barrett might help keep the offense afloat the 10 minutes a night Jokic sits. Good chance Agbaji starts and Barrett is the 6th man, or Agbaji closes games, though that might depend on if/when Murray is a legit #2 option or not.

For Toronto, they get a shooter at SF to fit with Barnes, and presumably draft a guard with their own top 10 pick, maybe re-sign Bruce Brown and the 2nd unit operates with no real PG:

Poeltl/MLE
Barnes/Mogbo
MPJ/Dick
2025 1st/Bruce Brown
Quickley/Walter/Mitchell

and their 2 firsts in the 2026 draft are used on a center and a PG:

Poeltl/MLE/2026 1st
Barnes/Mogbo
MPJ/Dick/Bruce Brown
2025 1st/Walter/Bruce Brown
Quickley/PG

or in a trade to upgrade on Poeltl or Quickley if that's available.

Not a chance the Raps offer that. Out of your mind

[Ell Curry]

Not a chance the Raps offer that. Out of your mind

I wouldn't be shocked if Masai tries to sell high on Agbaji, he's probably not going to shoot 45% from 3 consistently.

I'd keep Agbaji, but I'd seriously consider something like RJ + Olynyk + worse of the 2 2026 1sts for MPJ + Saric.

Poeltl/2026 1st
Barnes/Mogbo
MPJ/Dick
Agbaji/Walter
Quickley/2025 1st

looks like a solid team if you assume we can grab a playmaker with some size (Harper, Jakucionis, Demin) with our 2025 pick.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Don't want Porter Jr on this team with his, contract and more importantly the mess his brother left here. I wouldn't include Barrett plus a early second to get MPJ and Zeke Nanji that's a non-starter for Toronto.

Did his brother really leave a mess? He was an inconsequential player putting up 4.4 points in 13 minutes. And it's not like MPJ had any control over what his brother did, nor is it like MPJ was guilty of doing the same thing.

I think the Toronto FO wouldn't even really let Jontay Porter's history enter into the equation if they otherwise really liked the deal.

That said, Barrett, Agbaji, Olynyk and the PDX 2nd in 2025 for MPJ and Nnaji looks like a pretty bad deal for Toronto if I'm honest about it. That would be a pretty easy "yes" for Denver.

Yes he did the whole gambling thing is a blackeye on the Porter name. For a long time it was a meme for The Raptors like we were getting roasted by everyone. Jontay Porter is scheduled to be sentenced on December 18th just for context his co-conspirator is looking at a possible 20-year sentence. If Porter dodges jail time he is banned from all NBA events etc. I even remember hearing that if his brother wins a championship with Denver again that he cannot be visible in any sort of crowd at the arena or anywhere near it.

Back to the deal I think with how bad we are it's best to continue to lose for Harper, Flagg or Ace Bailey. They have potential star to superstar potential and fit this team better than MPJ. With how Barrett turned his career around here I wouldn't move him for MPJ 1 for 1. RJ looks like he is part of the core with Scottie and Quickley

[BigGargamel]

That MPJr contract is just a killer.

Serious question. Is it really though?

6'10" PF who is averaging 19/7/2.9. Shooting 38% on 3's, .605 TS, now can put the ball on the floor and finish at the rim, with mediocre but improved defense and improving his game in different ways every season.

He has 2.5 years left on his deal and it maxes out at $40m per year. Health concerns seem to be behind him.

Maybe there are better contracts out there but as the cap grows, is that really an albatross contract?

People are still under the impression that MPJ is injury prone, a terrible defender and a one dimensional shot maker that is just killing Denver on the floor and cap wise. None of that is really true anymore.

I'm not saying he's perfect, but he is the least of Denver's issues right now. Denver doesn't "have to trade him", especially for spare parts.

[Tripod]

Not a chance the Raps offer that. Out of your mind

I wouldn't be shocked if Masai tries to sell high on Agbaji, he's probably not going to shoot 45% from 3 consistently.

I'd keep Agbaji, but I'd seriously consider something like RJ + Olynyk + worse of the 2 2026 1sts for MPJ + Saric.

Poeltl/2026 1st
Barnes/Mogbo
MPJ/Dick
Agbaji/Walter
Quickley/2025 1st

looks like a solid team if you assume we can grab a playmaker with some size (Harper, Jakucionis, Demin) with our 2025 pick.

You are severely underrated RJ. Masai would not trade him 1 for 1 for MPJ.

[nomansland]

Yes he did the whole gambling thing is a blackeye on the Porter name. For a long time it was a meme for The Raptors like we were getting roasted by everyone. Jontay Porter is scheduled to be sentenced on December 18th just for context his co-conspirator is looking at a possible 20-year sentence. If Porter dodges jail time he is banned from all NBA events etc. I even remember hearing that if his brother wins a championship with Denver again that he cannot be visible in any sort of crowd at the arena or anywhere near it.

Ok but *none* of that has anything to do with MPJ, it all falls squarely on his brother. A good FO is not going to worry about memes, they're going to make the best deals possible.