Fox to ORL, Defense to SAC

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Re: Fox to ORL, Defense to SAC 

Post#21 » by Skybox » Fri Dec 27, 2024 5:43 pm

oldncreaky wrote:
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No way Magic can get Fox without Suggs. The Magic offer is Dejounte level value not Fox. Fox in the East would be probably the 4/5th best guard. Spurs building a deal around Castle and Rockets with Green/Eason have a much better package and more picks with upside to offer.


Can't disagree...and with Suggs' upcoming extension ($30m x5), it may be necessary for ORL to be comfortable having, effectively, 3 max guys in Fox, Paolo, and Franz...heck of a trio, but of course Suggs is the beloved heartbeat of ORL, so hard to include him in anything. One thing for certain, if they did trade Suggs...I would not want to see him more than 2x a year. :lol:

I don't think they move Suggs for Fox...ORL really doesn't NEED such a significant on-ball player in their starting lineup with Paolo & Franz being the unconventional playmaking forwards. What they really need is a Monk-type 6th man...who can playmake for others, score in bunches, spread the floor, and flourish alongside ORL's long 3&D guys....Fox's contract is a frightening prospect (and his UFA status with Klutch repping him). He's a great player but maybe not ideal for ORL...he's not an effective floor spreader and his defense is good, but not on the level of Suggs, KCP, or Black. If ORL could find a way to keep Suggs out of it, maybe the creative accountants find a way to make it work, but probably not even really on the radar.


I agree that ORL doesn't need someone as good as Fox to go with the Franz-Paolo-Suggs core

But they do need a guard who is a bucket, and good enough on D to justify being in the closing line up. If luck falls their way, ORL can afford up to 25% of the salary cap. I think that's someone better than Monk, but not as good as Fox. I'd love to see it because I have a soft spot for contenders built around a ferocious D


Hot names for me are combo guards that can score/shoot & handle enough to lead the second unit offense & occasionally pitch in when adversaries find ways to keep Paolo & Franz from keeping things moving...possibly even close games or lead the scoring, on occasion (without breaking the bank)...I really wanted Monk, but the other frequent names (among availables) are Sexton, Simons, CJ McCollum, maybe ATL Bogy, Brogdon, etc)...I'm partial to Sexton because I think he has the ferocity to buy into Mosley's defensive scheme & Suggs' fiery example...I figure third guard, but significant minutes. Anthony Black is a big,killer defender, who projects as a PG, but just hasn't gotten much going offensively *yet. IF only Cole Anthony's heroic moments came more reliably, we'd be set.
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Re: Fox to ORL, Defense to SAC 

Post#22 » by oldncreaky » Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:01 pm

Skybox wrote:
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Can't disagree...and with Suggs' upcoming extension ($30m x5), it may be necessary for ORL to be comfortable having, effectively, 3 max guys in Fox, Paolo, and Franz...heck of a trio, but of course Suggs is the beloved heartbeat of ORL, so hard to include him in anything. One thing for certain, if they did trade Suggs...I would not want to see him more than 2x a year. :lol:

I don't think they move Suggs for Fox...ORL really doesn't NEED such a significant on-ball player in their starting lineup with Paolo & Franz being the unconventional playmaking forwards. What they really need is a Monk-type 6th man...who can playmake for others, score in bunches, spread the floor, and flourish alongside ORL's long 3&D guys....Fox's contract is a frightening prospect (and his UFA status with Klutch repping him). He's a great player but maybe not ideal for ORL...he's not an effective floor spreader and his defense is good, but not on the level of Suggs, KCP, or Black. If ORL could find a way to keep Suggs out of it, maybe the creative accountants find a way to make it work, but probably not even really on the radar.


I agree that ORL doesn't need someone as good as Fox to go with the Franz-Paolo-Suggs core

But they do need a guard who is a bucket, and good enough on D to justify being in the closing line up. If luck falls their way, ORL can afford up to 25% of the salary cap. I think that's someone better than Monk, but not as good as Fox. I'd love to see it because I have a soft spot for contenders built around a ferocious D


Hot names for me are combo guards that can score/shoot & handle enough to lead the second unit offense & occasionally pitch in when adversaries find ways to keep Paolo & Franz from keeping things moving...possibly even close games or lead the scoring, on occasion (without breaking the bank)...I really wanted Monk, but the other frequent names (among availables) are Sexton, Simons, CJ McCollum, maybe ATL Bogy, Brogdon, etc)...I'm partial to Sexton because I think he has the ferocity to buy into Mosley's defensive scheme & Suggs' fiery example...I figure third guard, but significant minutes. Anthony Black is a big,killer defender, who projects as a PG, but just hasn't gotten much going offensively *yet. IF only Cole Anthony's heroic moments came more reliably, we'd be set.


I'd stay away from most of the names you list

To me, the key question is whether or not the player ORL targets is good enough to be in the closing line up of a team playing a close Conf SF game. If the answer is "nah", "maybe", "possibly" or anything other than an affirmative "Obviously, YES" I don't think the juice is worth the squeeze. I think you should be looking for the next Brunson or IQ, not a 6th man-level player, and preferably one you can extend before they get too expensive
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