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[nzahir]

This deal is probably closer if you swap Sexton for Clarkson, but you aren't getting both Kessler, Sexton for a protected first and a swap. While also sending out a money next year in Vincent that Jazz won't want.

Jazz aren't going to have issues trading Sexton for a first elsewhere. No reason for them to take a chance on a swap that is probably more likely to not convey then it will.

Are you sure about that?

If we can get Kessler and it costs us a 29 1st with some light protections and unrpotecting 27, got to do it

Sexton is a horrible defender, he would be more of a regular season guy like Dlo to help Bron and AD, but dont see a real playoff role for him. Similar to Dlo in a sense

Unprotecting the 2027 does very little, if it was lottery protected or top 10 protected sure. But unprotecting it 1-4 isn't swinging trades. Especially when the Lakers are getting 23 and 26 year old starting level players back in the deal.

And what if the pick ends up being int he top 4....

Im not asking for Sexton back btw

Just Kessler

If Utah wants 2 2nds we would ask for Clarkson back if they want to take 1 of Vando/Vincent

But can just do a straight clean deal of JHS/Wood or Hayes and Reddish and the draft capital for Kessler

[gswhoops]

JHS has looked pretty good lately. If he continues to develop, he could become the Jazz's SGOTF.

Hahahhahahahaha

You get an A+ for effort

Now that THT has moved on someone has to fill the void of prospect that Lakers fans irrationally hype up as The Next Big Thing.

[JMAC3]

And what if the pick ends up being int he top 4....

Im not asking for Sexton back btw

Just Kessler

If Utah wants 2 2nds we would ask for Clarkson back if they want to take 1 of Vando/Vincent

But can just do a straight clean deal of JHS/Wood or Hayes and Reddish and the draft capital for Kessler

Kessler is good young player who the Jazz can easily retain as a RFA and their capspace. I just think most Lakers fans are confused in difference that Jazz are open to moving Kessler for good deal... and Jazz want to trade Kessler for a mediocre first and filler.

The Jazz can probably trade Kessler on draft night for a borderline top 10 pick in the 2025 draft. There is no need for them to take all this uncertainty of acquiring a random draft pick 5 drafts from now for a 23 yr old starter.

I know Lakers fans think their firsts are sooo much more valuable then other teams firsts but they aren't. Kessler even after he gets his contract extension will be worth a 1st round pick in a trade, there is just zero reason for them to rush and trade him unless they are getting back something better than this.

Kessler is better than Knecht, how many Lakers fans are open to trading Knecht right now for a 2030 first round pick?

[nzahir]

And what if the pick ends up being int he top 4....

Im not asking for Sexton back btw

Just Kessler

If Utah wants 2 2nds we would ask for Clarkson back if they want to take 1 of Vando/Vincent

But can just do a straight clean deal of JHS/Wood or Hayes and Reddish and the draft capital for Kessler

Kessler is good young player who the Jazz can easily retain as a RFA and their capspace. I just think most Lakers fans are confused in difference that Jazz are open to moving Kessler for good deal... and Jazz want to trade Kessler for a mediocre first and filler.

The Jazz can probably trade Kessler on draft night for a borderline top 10 pick in the 2025 draft. There is no need for them to take all this uncertainty of acquiring a random draft pick 5 drafts from now for a 23 yr old starter.

I know Lakers fans think their firsts are sooo much more valuable then other teams firsts but they aren't. Kessler even after he gets his contract extension will be worth a 1st round pick in a trade, there is just zero reason for them to rush and trade him unless they are getting back something better than this.

Kessler is better than Knecht, how many Lakers fans are open to trading Knecht right now for a 2030 first round pick?

Our 1sts are valuable b/c post Lebron and AD there is a good chance this team is horrific

Lebron likely has 1 more year after this imo or at least 1 more here (maybe ends up in CLE 1 last time?)

You trust an older AD in 2026-2027 w/o Bron to lead a good team? What if he gets hurt that year?

Once Kessler gets paid big, he is worth a ton less

Hes an average starting C. Not a floor streching big

There are way more playable Cs than guys like Knecht

Other Cs avaialble for cheaper. No they arent as good as Kessler, but we really only need a backup C and maybe play 5-10 min with AD.

Richards and Sharpe are easy names that come to mind

RW3 is the highest upside/highest risk guy

Other option is to see if we can move Vando and or Vincent with a 29 1st with protections for a guy like Bruce Brown or Lonzo and a 2nd and then package 2-3 2nds for one of those backup Cs

[SkyHook]

And what if the pick ends up being int he top 4....

Im not asking for Sexton back btw

Just Kessler

If Utah wants 2 2nds we would ask for Clarkson back if they want to take 1 of Vando/Vincent

But can just do a straight clean deal of JHS/Wood or Hayes and Reddish and the draft capital for Kessler

Kessler is good young player who the Jazz can easily retain as a RFA and their capspace. I just think most Lakers fans are confused in difference that Jazz are open to moving Kessler for good deal... and Jazz want to trade Kessler for a mediocre first and filler.

The Jazz can probably trade Kessler on draft night for a borderline top 10 pick in the 2025 draft. There is no need for them to take all this uncertainty of acquiring a random draft pick 5 drafts from now for a 23 yr old starter.

I know Lakers fans think their firsts are sooo much more valuable then other teams firsts but they aren't. Kessler even after he gets his contract extension will be worth a 1st round pick in a trade, there is just zero reason for them to rush and trade him unless they are getting back something better than this.

Kessler is better than Knecht, how many Lakers fans are open to trading Knecht right now for a 2030 first round pick?

Our 1sts are valuable b/c post Lebron and AD there is a good chance this team is horrific

Lebron likely has 1 more year after this imo or at least 1 more here (maybe ends up in CLE 1 last time?)

You trust an older AD in 2026-2027 w/o Bron to lead a good team? What if he gets hurt that year?

Once Kessler gets paid big, he is worth a ton less

Hes an average starting C. Not a floor streching big

There are way more playable Cs than guys like Knecht

Other Cs avaialble for cheaper. No they arent as good as Kessler, but we really only need a backup C and maybe play 5-10 min with AD.

Richards and Sharpe are easy names that come to mind

RW3 is the highest upside/highest risk guy

Other option is to see if we can move Vando and or Vincent with a 29 1st with protections for a guy like Bruce Brown or Lonzo and a 2nd and then package 2-3 2nds for one of those backup Cs

Excellent. I suggest the Lakers focus there instead.

[JMAC3]

And what if the pick ends up being int he top 4....

Im not asking for Sexton back btw

Just Kessler

If Utah wants 2 2nds we would ask for Clarkson back if they want to take 1 of Vando/Vincent

But can just do a straight clean deal of JHS/Wood or Hayes and Reddish and the draft capital for Kessler

Kessler is good young player who the Jazz can easily retain as a RFA and their capspace. I just think most Lakers fans are confused in difference that Jazz are open to moving Kessler for good deal... and Jazz want to trade Kessler for a mediocre first and filler.

The Jazz can probably trade Kessler on draft night for a borderline top 10 pick in the 2025 draft. There is no need for them to take all this uncertainty of acquiring a random draft pick 5 drafts from now for a 23 yr old starter.

I know Lakers fans think their firsts are sooo much more valuable then other teams firsts but they aren't. Kessler even after he gets his contract extension will be worth a 1st round pick in a trade, there is just zero reason for them to rush and trade him unless they are getting back something better than this.

Kessler is better than Knecht, how many Lakers fans are open to trading Knecht right now for a 2030 first round pick?

Our 1sts are valuable b/c post Lebron and AD there is a good chance this team is horrific

Lebron likely has 1 more year after this imo or at least 1 more here (maybe ends up in CLE 1 last time?)

You trust an older AD in 2026-2027 w/o Bron to lead a good team? What if he gets hurt that year?

Once Kessler gets paid big, he is worth a ton less

Hes an average starting C. Not a floor streching big

There are way more playable Cs than guys like Knecht

Other Cs avaialble for cheaper. No they arent as good as Kessler, but we really only need a backup C and maybe play 5-10 min with AD.

Richards and Sharpe are easy names that come to mind

RW3 is the highest upside/highest risk guy

Other option is to see if we can move Vando and or Vincent with a 29 1st with protections for a guy like Bruce Brown or Lonzo and a 2nd and then package 2-3 2nds for one of those backup Cs

So if the Warriors offer a 2030 first for Knecht you taking it right now? They might be bad after Steph.

[nzahir]

Kessler is good young player who the Jazz can easily retain as a RFA and their capspace. I just think most Lakers fans are confused in difference that Jazz are open to moving Kessler for good deal... and Jazz want to trade Kessler for a mediocre first and filler.

The Jazz can probably trade Kessler on draft night for a borderline top 10 pick in the 2025 draft. There is no need for them to take all this uncertainty of acquiring a random draft pick 5 drafts from now for a 23 yr old starter.

I know Lakers fans think their firsts are sooo much more valuable then other teams firsts but they aren't. Kessler even after he gets his contract extension will be worth a 1st round pick in a trade, there is just zero reason for them to rush and trade him unless they are getting back something better than this.

Kessler is better than Knecht, how many Lakers fans are open to trading Knecht right now for a 2030 first round pick?

Our 1sts are valuable b/c post Lebron and AD there is a good chance this team is horrific

Lebron likely has 1 more year after this imo or at least 1 more here (maybe ends up in CLE 1 last time?)

You trust an older AD in 2026-2027 w/o Bron to lead a good team? What if he gets hurt that year?

Once Kessler gets paid big, he is worth a ton less

Hes an average starting C. Not a floor streching big

There are way more playable Cs than guys like Knecht

Other Cs avaialble for cheaper. No they arent as good as Kessler, but we really only need a backup C and maybe play 5-10 min with AD.

Richards and Sharpe are easy names that come to mind

RW3 is the highest upside/highest risk guy

Other option is to see if we can move Vando and or Vincent with a 29 1st with protections for a guy like Bruce Brown or Lonzo and a 2nd and then package 2-3 2nds for one of those backup Cs

So if the Warriors offer a 2030 first for Knecht you taking it right now? They might be bad after Steph.

We are trying to compete today though, so no we wouldn't move a guy who can also help us win games now as a solid bench player

You guys are trying to lose games and Kessler is a solid player

I can also see you guys just keeping him

Lakers haven't overpaid as a franchise since the Russ deal

If they cant agree on anything, I assume theyll just move onto one of the commonly named backups that can be had for cheaper like Olynk, Sharpe, Richards, etc or send a 1st protected and also try to get a guard/wing with it

Other quality Cs are Poetl and RW3 (when healthy he may be the best of all 3 honestly)

[R-DAWG]

Ok, then it is simple. He won’t be traded.

You really need a Leon Rose type who’s willing to overpay for everyone and ia trying to max out every cap angle to step up and pay the kind of price your looking for - which seems like it’s 2 unprotected draft assets.

Perfect. Let's all move on then.

Yeah. I'm not a huge Kessler fan, tbh, but if the Jazz can't get a good asset for him, what's compelling them to take one that is middling at best? Distant future picks can be juicy, but if they are protected, they are so remote or may convey as seconds, or whatever, as to be of very little interest to a GM trying to keep his job today.

I think it comes down to what kind of contract can you sign him for. RFA’s sometimes get overpaid to the point where they become negative assets on the trade market. Immanuel Quickly is an example of that.

If your a rebuilding team, do you want to give an average starting center without star potential Jarret Allen money (30mm per)?

[Tim Lehrbach]

Perfect. Let's all move on then.

Yeah. I'm not a huge Kessler fan, tbh, but if the Jazz can't get a good asset for him, what's compelling them to take one that is middling at best? Distant future picks can be juicy, but if they are protected, they are so remote or may convey as seconds, or whatever, as to be of very little interest to a GM trying to keep his job today.

I think it comes down to what kind of contract can you sign him for. RFA’s sometimes get overpaid to the point where they become negative assets on the trade market. Immanuel Quickly is an example of that.

If your a rebuilding team, do you want to give an average starting center without star potential Jarret Allen money (30mm per)?

Certainly, if you don't want to extend a guy his next contract, and you're in a rebuild, you consider moving him for what you can get. In this case, however, I think it's far from decided wh whether the Jazz intend to give Kessler Jarrett Allen money, or whether his market will even bear a deal that large. If you can get your average starting center who fits your team locked into a deal for 2/3 Jarrett Allen money, that's good business.

[R-DAWG]

Yeah. I'm not a huge Kessler fan, tbh, but if the Jazz can't get a good asset for him, what's compelling them to take one that is middling at best? Distant future picks can be juicy, but if they are protected, they are so remote or may convey as seconds, or whatever, as to be of very little interest to a GM trying to keep his job today.

I think it comes down to what kind of contract can you sign him for. RFA’s sometimes get overpaid to the point where they become negative assets on the trade market. Immanuel Quickly is an example of that.

If your a rebuilding team, do you want to give an average starting center without star potential Jarret Allen money (30mm per)?

Certainly, if you don't want to extend a guy his next contract, and you're in a rebuild, you consider moving him for what you can get. In this case, however, I think it's far from decided wh whether the Jazz intend to give Kessler Jarrett Allen money, or whether his market will even bear a deal that large. If you can get your average starting center who fits your team locked into a deal for 2/3 Jarrett Allen money, that's good business.

It depends on the rest of your roster construction.

I appreciate that the Jazz have a high asking price for Kessler and thus far the league has no interest in meeting that price. This is the last trade cycle before Kessler becomes extension eligible. His future value depends on what kind of deal Utah can sign him to or if he elects to enter restricted free agency.

The league is still adjusting to the new apron systems and it remains to be seen how it effects restricted free agency moving forward

[R-DAWG]

Yeah. I'm not a huge Kessler fan, tbh, but if the Jazz can't get a good asset for him, what's compelling them to take one that is middling at best? Distant future picks can be juicy, but if they are protected, they are so remote or may convey as seconds, or whatever, as to be of very little interest to a GM trying to keep his job today.

I think it comes down to what kind of contract can you sign him for. RFA’s sometimes get overpaid to the point where they become negative assets on the trade market. Immanuel Quickly is an example of that.

If your a rebuilding team, do you want to give an average starting center without star potential Jarret Allen money (30mm per)?

Certainly, if you don't want to extend a guy his next contract, and you're in a rebuild, you consider moving him for what you can get. In this case, however, I think it's far from decided wh whether the Jazz intend to give Kessler Jarrett Allen money, or whether his market will even bear a deal that large. If you can get your average starting center who fits your team locked into a deal for 2/3 Jarrett Allen money, that's good business.

It depends on the rest of your roster construction.

I appreciate that the Jazz have a high asking price for Kessler and thus far the league has no interest in meeting that price. This is the last trade cycle before Kessler becomes extension eligible. His future value depends on what kind of deal Utah can sign him to or if he elects to enter restricted free agency.

The league is still adjusting to the new apron systems and it remains to be seen how it affects restricted free agency moving forward.

Needless to say, as a Knick fan I would love to have Kessler on my team but we don’t currently have the assets to make it happen. Had we not done the Bridges trade I would have been willing to offer the better of NY/MIL 25 (top-10 protected) and the future WAS 1st. Above that price I’m passing.