Wolves/Pels/3rd

[winforlose]

How is this on value?

Wolves out: Randle, Dillingham, Shannon
Wolves in: Murray, Alverado, Missi

Pels can use those players as they see fit with a 3rd team. My understanding of aggregation rules is that as long as the most expensive players are outgoing then it is not aggregation to receive cheaper incoming players.

Please note that the Pels cannot afford to receive all 3 salaries. This is designed as a 3 team deal with a 3rd team getting any of the Wolves players that the Pels don’t want and they can recoup whatever value the market will bear.

P.S Dilly is the PGOF for the Pels, TSJ might also be great in a rebuild as he is cheap and will be in his prime right when they are getting good again. For the Wolves two PGs come in and steady the ship. Mike becomes bench depth until he is needed later. Murray can also run some minutes at the SG and play with Mike which Finch loves. Wolves get there backup C and eventual Rudy replacement.

[Texas Chuck]

Not close. Murray more value than Randle. Alverado more than Shannon and any gap favoring Dillingham over Missi isn't enough to offset the others.

And once we get past the value issues, the Pels are playing for next year at this point so all the on court value Randle brings before his option is due is just completely lost and so now its Murray, GTA, and Missi for just Dillingham who was supposed to be a ready to play guy who well doesn't really seem to be.

I see no chance the Pels consider this and nothing the Wolves could add to change their mind.

[LarsV8]

Its hard to know what direction New Orleans will take.

[psman2]

This needs a 3rd team that would value Randle to see if it makes sense for New Orleans.

[winforlose]

Not close. Murray more value than Randle. Alverado more than Shannon and any gap favoring Dillingham over Missi isn't enough to offset the others.

And once we get past the value issues, the Pels are playing for next year at this point so all the on court value Randle brings before his option is due is just completely lost and so now its Murray, GTA, and Missi for just Dillingham who was supposed to be a ready to play guy who well doesn't really seem to be.

I see no chance the Pels consider this and nothing the Wolves could add to change their mind.

Look at the season Murray is having, then look at the season Randle is having. DJM might recoup some value next year, but his best value is his deal, and the more time comes off that, the harder it’s gonna be to get a return on him. As for 2 years of Alverado being more valuable than 4 and a RFA on Shannon that comments is bizarre. Like honestly do you really think Alverado is that good on a rebuild team? Bi and Zion are both likely to move, CJ is getting older and not winning anything by himself. Also the Pels are not likely playing for next year, they are likely blowing it up and starting over. Also Missi is supposed to be a blue chip with value to rival Dilly?

[jayjaysee]

This is really bad for New Orleans.

Don’t see NOP doing it without Missi.

[winforlose]

This is really bad for New Orleans.

Don’t see NOP doing it without Missi.

Doing what?

[cucad8]

Doesn't make sense for N.O. at all, IMO. Randle is a win now piece, fitting with CJ, Herb, Murphy, B.I., but then they bring in a rookie to run point? Or if they're totally tanking, why are they trading for Randle?
And then, I don't trust Zion's health as far as I can throw him, but how do he and Randle fit together at all on the floor? And now they're out a C again as well. Just seems very directionless for the Pelicans, and an easy no.

[chrbal]

Pelicans are getting robbed here.

If Shannon is getting moved relatively cheaply, I’d like to see Detroit bring him in. Not saying he’ll be anything special, but I’ve got to figure he might be able to improve in Detroit with the Pistons needing to stopgap while Ivey is out for probably a long time. He might be an interesting guy to take a long look at

[winforlose]

Doesn't make sense for N.O. at all, IMO. Randle is a win now piece, fitting with CJ, Herb, Murphy, B.I., but then they bring in a rookie to run point? Or if they're totally tanking, why are they trading for Randle?
And then, I don't trust Zion's health as far as I can throw him, but how do he and Randle fit together at all on the floor? And now they're out a C again as well. Just seems very directionless for the Pelicans, and an easy no.

As I said above this is what the Wolves are sending out, not what the Pels are taking in. I expect BI and Zion to be on others teams next year. CJ is probably also gonna move while he still has some value. This is a rebuild move. TSJ will be in his prime and possibly a starter (or 6th man,) if he gets the rebuild minutes to develop. Dilly is a PGOF and if he develops to his potential a dynamic scoring threat who is already showing solid passing and excellent transition abilities. As for Randle, I have no idea what value he brings on the open market, that is why the 3rd team is blank. But DJM is having a terrible season, and holding him for another is a risk because his money is what makes him valuable. One less year and a failure to course correct will tank his value.

[cucad8]

Doesn't make sense for N.O. at all, IMO. Randle is a win now piece, fitting with CJ, Herb, Murphy, B.I., but then they bring in a rookie to run point? Or if they're totally tanking, why are they trading for Randle?
And then, I don't trust Zion's health as far as I can throw him, but how do he and Randle fit together at all on the floor? And now they're out a C again as well. Just seems very directionless for the Pelicans, and an easy no.

As I said above this is what the Wolves are sending out, not what the Pels are taking in. I expect BI and Zion to be on others teams next year. CJ is probably also gonna move while he still has some value. This is a rebuild move. TSJ will be in his prime and possibly a starter (or 6th man,) if he gets the rebuild minutes to develop. Dilly is a PGOF and if he develops to his potential a dynamic scoring threat who is already showing solid passing and excellent transition abilities. As for Randle, I have no idea what value he brings on the open market, that is why the 3rd team is blank. But DJM is having a terrible season, and holding him for another is a risk because his money is what makes him valuable. One less year and a failure to course correct will tank his value.

The "bring in a 3rd team to figure it out" really makes it sound like you thought about this deal from the perspective of your team, and only your team. If it's a rebuild move, then the value from Randle has to be pretty damn good to make up for moving DJM and Missi. And judging by most of the offers we've seen for Randle on this board, I don't believe that will be the case.

[Godaddycurse]

If Pels are rebuilding then they wouldnt be sending out Missi.

If Pels are contending then rhey wouldn't be sending out Murray.

[jayjaysee]

This is really bad for New Orleans.

Don’t see NOP doing it without Missi.

Doing what?

Meaning even if you removed Missi, NOP still wouldn’t do the OP. Or should not imo, let me say.

Without Missi, it is maybe okay value but a terrible direction. Why add a 30 year old and a 19 year old? Why trade your vet and your rookie, who is playing well above his draft slot?

The team that Zion plays for, shouldn’t trade for Randle. The team with the worst record in the league, shouldn’t trade for a 30 year old vet who could walk before they play a meaningful game.

If you find the third team to pay a decent first for Randle, then NOP should do it probably. I really like Dillingham’s ceiling and CJM is still there to make sure he doesn’t get thrown too hard into it.

Murray is locked up cheap for two full more seasons. Plenty of time for people to forget he broke his hand and struggled for a month after..