Jimmy stays in Florida

Syko_boB · Post #1 » by **Syko_boB** » Fri Jan 3, 2025 4:24 pm

Jimmy Butler, Josh Richardson & Alec Burks
For
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Cole Anthony & Gary Harris
+ 25 DEN 1st, 25 ORL 1st & 27 ORL 1st

Miami Heat
- Replenish their draft picks
- Retain some talent, all on short tradeable deals
- Free their disgruntled star
- Shed $10M this year, $2M away from tax line

Adebayo / Ware / Love
Jaquez / Jovic
Robinson / Highsmith / Harris
Caldwell-Pope / Anthony
Herro / Rozier

Orlando Magic
- Raise their ceiling
- Keep Jimmy near his desired location
- Don't lose major core pieces

Carter / Bitadze / Wagner
Banchero / Isaac
Wagner / Da Silva
Butler / Richardson / Howard
Suggs / Black / Burks

NotACat · Post #2 » by **NotACat** » Fri Jan 3, 2025 4:45 pm

I can't see Orlando giving up 3 firsts for a 35yo player who will also enough money to push them to the apron when the rest of the core is about a decade younger than Jimmy. I think the cap implications are the most significant factor here considering how much they're paying Suggs, Wagner, and Banchero.

SkyHook · Post #3 » by **SkyHook** » Fri Jan 3, 2025 4:49 pm

Syko_boB wrote:Jimmy Butler, Josh Richardson & Alec Burks
For
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Cole Anthony & Gary Harris
+ 25 DEN 1st, 25 ORL 1st & 27 ORL 1st

Miami Heat
- Replenish their draft picks
- Retain some talent, all on short tradeable deals
- Free their disgruntled star
- Shed $10M this year, $2M away from tax line

Adebayo / Ware / Love
Jaquez / Jovic
Robinson / Highsmith / Harris
Caldwell-Pope / Anthony
Herro / Rozier

Orlando Magic
- Raise their ceiling
- Keep Jimmy near his desired location
- Don't lose major core pieces

Carter / Bitadze / Wagner
Banchero / Isaac
Wagner / Da Silva
Butler / Richardson / Howard
Suggs / Black / Burks

Gross overpay by the Magic. Can't see them doing anywhere near this.

Magic_Johnny12 · Post #4 » by **Magic_Johnny12** » Fri Jan 3, 2025 4:50 pm

A few things:

1) Riley stated publicly he’s not trading Jimmy, don’t think he’ll go back on his word.

2) It is highly unlikely Riley trades Butler to his in state rivals.

3) Jimmy at the age 35 and with all things considered is not worth even half this price.

4) Jimmy wouldn’t want to stay in Orlando longterm.

Post #5 » by **BBallFreak** » Fri Jan 3, 2025 4:51 pm

No. Miami isn't compromising future cap flexibility next off-season for KCP

Post #6 » by **jbk1234** » Fri Jan 3, 2025 4:53 pm

The Heat may have to bend a little on how much long-term money they're willing to take back, but that is their stated priority and a lot of fans are blowing right by that.

louc1970 · Post #7 » by **louc1970** » Fri Jan 3, 2025 5:51 pm

I like the basic premise of the OPs trade. But as others said, too many picks going to Miami. Remove the 27 FRP.
Current standings the picks conveyed in 25 would be 21 and 24. That is manageable for the Magic to move, might be better to move the Denver pick and the Orlando pick in 26.
Second phase is finding a taker for KCP. Don't see the Heat needing that many new guards.

Post #8 » by **jbk1234** » Fri Jan 3, 2025 5:57 pm

louc1970 wrote:I like the basic premise of the OPs trade. But as others said, too many picks going to Miami. Remove the 27 FRP.
Current standings the picks conveyed in 25 would be 21 and 24. That is manageable for the Magic to move, might be better to move the Denver pick and the Orlando pick in 26.
Second phase is finding a taker for KCP. Don't see the Heat needing that many new guards.

I think KCP next to Herro works just fine, it's the inclusion of Anthony that's going to to be a deal breaker. I suspect the Heat tell the Magic to pay to dump him on Detroit.

Post #9 » by **BBallFreak** » Fri Jan 3, 2025 6:57 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
louc1970 wrote:I like the basic premise of the OPs trade. But as others said, too many picks going to Miami. Remove the 27 FRP.
Current standings the picks conveyed in 25 would be 21 and 24. That is manageable for the Magic to move, might be better to move the Denver pick and the Orlando pick in 26.
Second phase is finding a taker for KCP. Don't see the Heat needing that many new guards.

I think KCP next to Herro works just fine, it's the inclusion of Anthony that's going to to be a deal breaker. I suspect the Heat tell the Magic to pay to dump him on Detroit.

Player-wise, the fit with Herro and KCP is fine, but contracts matter and we're not feeling good about contracts that go beyond 2026. He should have some value, especially if we're willing to take back useless salary for this year and next.

BigGargamel · Post #10 » by **BigGargamel** » Fri Jan 3, 2025 7:05 pm

Three 1sts is a tough pill to swallow.

And again, they just signed KCP to a nice deal. A team that doesn't really sign free agents all that often. He would not be traded right away. Name a free agent that signed with a team and then was traded four months into his new team's stint. It doesn't happen. It would send bad will throughout the NBA, and no team will want to sign with you going forward.