Butler to Spurs

[Bentley1225]

I would think Butler would welcome playing with Wemby and the Spurs maybe tempted to make a move to secure a top 6 seed in the west. Miami doesn't want bad contracts and the Spurs have some assets I think they would part with to land Butler

To San Antonio
-Jimmy Butler (1 year, $48.8 plus P.O.)
-Alec Burks (1 year, $3.3 million)

To Miami
-Keldon Johnson (3 years, $54 million)
-Zach Collins (2 years, $34.8 million)
-Tre Jones (1 year, $9.1 million)
-2025 Atlanta 1st round pick
-2026 San Antonio 1st round pick (lottery prortected or 2026 2nd)

Why?
-The Spurs decide to make a push for a top 6 seed and offer extension as the Spurs have several 1st round picks to backfill Johnson if they want to draft a wing who is NBA ready once Jimmy expires after a 1-2 year extension

-The Spurs get a younger replacement wing still developing at $18 million per and another frontcourt piece in his prime at around $18 million per which are reasonable contracts along with 2 1sts which should both be outside of lottery. The Spurs have excess 1sts they can draft a wing to replace Johnson behind Butler.

[jbk1234]

The no. 1 criteria the Heat have in a Butler trade is not taking back bad money.

[BBallFreak]

I'm in but somehow I don't expect the Spurs to have interest

[Bentley1225]

The no. 1 criteria the Heat have in a Butler trade is not taking back bad money.

No doubt but ‘bad money’ is more subjective than objective. Are Johnson and Collins on bad contracts?. Johnson it depends on what you think his ceiling is and Collins perhaps has value closer to MLE based value over multiple years at worst.

[toooskies]

The no. 1 criteria the Heat have in a Butler trade is not taking back bad money.

No doubt but ‘bad money’ is more subjective than objective. Are Johnson and Collins on bad contracts?. Johnson it depends on what you think his ceiling is and Collins perhaps has value closer to MLE based value over multiple years at worst.

Would Miami sign Johnson as a free agent to two years, $35m? No. Does anyone want to pay Zach Collins $18m as a backup big next year? No.

Bad money.

[BBallFreak]

The no. 1 criteria the Heat have in a Butler trade is not taking back bad money.

No doubt but ‘bad money’ is more subjective than objective. Are Johnson and Collins on bad contracts?. Johnson it depends on what you think his ceiling is and Collins perhaps has value closer to MLE based value over multiple years at worst.

I don't care about Collins. His deal is this year and next. I'd try and rehab KJ's value and then trade him for value at next year's deadline. To me, it's those picks, though I would negotiate on the 2026 pick. That protection is unacceptable.

[TimDunkin]

I don't think the Spurs have interest in this trade. No reason to throw 2 firsts out the window for Butler when he's made it clear he intends to be an UFA next summer. He's not putting the Spurs over the top this year and if he picks up his option on a new team then it's a massive cap commitment next year for a player on the decline.

ETA: Spurs don't have a lot of player salaries to bundle up for deals going forward and I wouldn't want to use KJ and Collins for a player that doesn't match the window of the team.

[Bentley1225]

The no. 1 criteria the Heat have in a Butler trade is not taking back bad money.

No doubt but ‘bad money’ is more subjective than objective. Are Johnson and Collins on bad contracts?. Johnson it depends on what you think his ceiling is and Collins perhaps has value closer to MLE based value over multiple years at worst.

Would Miami sign Johnson as a free agent to two years, $35m? No. Does anyone want to pay Zach Collins $18m as a backup big next year? No.

Bad money.

Sure, but I think the Heat can use that as leverage for 1st round pick negotiations hypothetically speaking with the Spurs. The core of the deal is Johnson + 2 1sts. If the Heat look at Collins as negative value than perhaps the Spurs would reduce protections on those 1 or both 1sts. ie. 2025 Atlanta 1st (unprotected) + 2026 Spurs 1st (Top 7 protected; 2027 Top 3 protected or 2027 and 2028 2nds).

The Heat can use the expiring contract of Collins + Robinson + excess 1sts to try to land a guy like Fox or someone else if they want to re-tool around Herro/Bam.

[Kineto]

The no. 1 criteria the Heat have in a Butler trade is not taking back bad money.

I'm not sure going for Buttler is the right thing to do for the Spurs, but one way to make this trade more attractive to MIA is to maybe include Detroit and ask them if they want to swap THJ (who is expiring) for KJ, who is younger and plays at a position of need for DET.

[Bentley1225]

The no. 1 criteria the Heat have in a Butler trade is not taking back bad money.

I'm not sure going for Buttler is the right thing to do for the Spurs, but one way to make this trade more attractive to MIA is to maybe include Detroit and ask them if they want to swap THJ (who is expiring) for KJ, who is younger and plays at a position of need for DET.

Sure, Johnson could be flipped if the Heat just want to maximize how many 1sts they get back for Butler by selling off Johnson and then using expireings like Collins + Robinson + 1sts to land a major piece, like a Fox, this off-season.

Ultimately, the Heat would have flexibility to do that with a deal like this with Spurs. Whether the Spurs want to try to make a move in WC now remains to be seen. They only have Wemby under his rookie contract for 2 more years beyond this so they could look to maximize that window now.

[wemby]

Spurs pass pretty easily here, disgruntled 35 year old with a history of calling out teammates and wanting to punch coaches, now is purposefully hurting his team, expects to be paid max money for multiple years, and you want Spurs to pay for him? I'd pass on this guy for free.

[jayjaysee]

I think NBA windows close quickly and you should try to win while you can. So I like it for SAS.

If you added two years to Butler’s current deal, and then made the 4th year only guaranteed like 10-15 mil? Does he take it? So opt in, one guaranteed big year and then a partial guarantee big year? Give the team some out if he ages out as he likely will..

[wemby]

I think NBA windows close quickly and you should try to win while you can. So I like it for SAS.

If you added two years to Butler’s current deal, and then made the 4th year only guaranteed like 10-15 mil? Does he take it? So opt in, one guaranteed big year and then a partial guarantee big year? Give the team some out if he ages out as he likely will..

Butler is already declining, his contract is going to look awful in a couple of years. He isn't worth the opportunities he costs the Spurs (like trading for a different player), nor the risks attached to trading for a ticking time bomb.

[One_and_Done]

Spurs aren't paying anything of note to bring in a disgruntled 35 year old free agent who will walk if he doesn't get a max contract. What a terrible influence for Wemby.

[Chinook]

I don't hate the thought of a Butler trade, especially combined with some buyouts. But a) I wonder if it's too late to make the trade for this year and b) I'd almost prefer a Vassell and Collins trade to this package. The picks themselves aren't a deal-breaker, but a deal like this needs to leave a rotation that can immediately contend, and I don't know if this does.

PS: I am thinking about this as a two-year contract for Butler and not a new deal.