Some "possible" trades for Butler

[Ducklett]

We'll take bad money for next year, but not beyond, and we're going to get paid for that.

Looks like Butler is sticking around in Miaminif those are the terms. Too much money for a dude that is on the wrong side of good.

If the Magic trade 2 firsts, a starter, and all our bench depth for Butler, the whole front office should be fired and never have an NBA job again.

That's too much to ask? Bad short contracts and some assets?

He's also not on the wing side of good. He's still very good.

I didn't see a bad contract in the deal unless you count KCP, which I wouldn't, but I could see how people do.

He is on the wrong side of good, he is 35 and only going to get worse. He is not getting better.

I am willing to trade all of those things, but not for a 35 year old max guy that players don't like being around. That's obviously just personal opinion. Maybe the media just vilified him at every stop and KAT and co love him.

[cgf]

Butler
for
Brooks + Thompson (or Jalen Green) + Jeff Green (or Adams)

I think the cap math works. Rockets would look like serious contenders with Jimmy to turn to in crunch time...if their shooting held up...and Miami could stay pretty decent while getting younger with:

HOU
VanVleet - Butler - Eason - Smith - Sengun
Sheppard - Green* - Whitmore - Adams/Lockdale

MIA
Herro - Brooks - Thompson* - Jovic - Adebayo
Rozier - Robinson - Jaquez/Highsmith - Ware

[jayjaysee]

Does any team give up any real value for Mann and or Powell?

Or does Miami take pure expirings, Kobe Brown and a top 6ish protected 2030 first for Butler? Sticking with Ballmer. Det can almost make pure expirings work and take the free talent upgrade..

[mademan]

Does any team give up any real value for Mann and or Powell?

Or does Miami take pure expirings, Kobe Brown and a top 6ish protected 2030 first for Butler? Sticking with Ballmer. Det can almost make pure expirings work and take the free talent upgrade..

I'd be surprised if Powell and a 1st wasnt the best package available for Miami and i'd be doubly surprised if they turned it down.

That said, LAC didnt want to give an old PG a long term contract. Why would they give it to Jimmy?

[MasterIchiro]

I have Butler landing in Houston.

I watched the Rockets lose to Herro and the Heat without Butler. The Rockets really need a go-to scoring option if they want a greater shot breaking down a playoff defense in a series.

Rockets have the goods for Butler.

[SlimShady83]

Does any team give up any real value for Mann and or Powell?

Or does Miami take pure expirings, Kobe Brown and a top 6ish protected 2030 first for Butler? Sticking with Ballmer. Det can almost make pure expirings work and take the free talent upgrade..

I'd be surprised if Powell and a 1st wasnt the best package available for Miami and i'd be doubly surprised if they turned it down.

That said, LAC didnt want to give an old PG a long term contract. Why would they give it to Jimmy?

I even tried the trade on SPOTRAC not saying spotrac is perfect but it helps...

Powell, Mann, Brown add up to about $33mil ish Butler Is $48 you need more and It says LA Is hard capped and over 1st apron, like I said above, trading for Butler Is going to be hard.

Although I do like the GSW trades been proposed, I just wasn't sure IF GSW would want or trade that many players to get It done.

[wegotthabeet]

My possible Butler trades:

ORL - Isaac/KCP/Black/Anthony/2 1sts for Butler/Rozier

ATL - Capela/Hunter/Bufkin/2 1sts for Butler

MEM - Smart/Clarke/Kennard/Konchar/2 1sts for Butler/Richardson/Burks

GSW - Wiggins/Payton/Anderson/Kuminga/1st for Butler/Richardson

SAC - DeRozan/Huerter/Carter/1st for Butler

Was thinking pretty much the same deal with Memphis minus one pick. They keep Bane in that scenario which would make more sense. Don’t think they would give up two picks though.

[jdzimme3]

My possible Butler trades:

ORL - Isaac/KCP/Black/Anthony/2 1sts for Butler/Rozier

ATL - Capela/Hunter/Bufkin/2 1sts for Butler

MEM - Smart/Clarke/Kennard/Konchar/2 1sts for Butler/Richardson/Burks

GSW - Wiggins/Payton/Anderson/Kuminga/1st for Butler/Richardson

SAC - DeRozan/Huerter/Carter/1st for Butler

I think the Orlando, Memphis, and golden state suggestions are all reasonable. Value is about right and shifting an aging star to a competitive team makes sense.

[Andre Roberstan]

Miami will definitely not have to add a 1st.

The idea that Miami thinks they're not taking any bad money back is the part that may not be tenable.

We'll take bad money for next year, but not beyond, and we're going to get paid for that.

Looks like Butler is sticking around in Miaminif those are the terms. Too much money for a dude that is on the wrong side of good.

If the Magic trade 2 firsts, a starter, and all our bench depth for Butler, the whole front office should be fired and never have an NBA job again.

I'm sorry, who is on the wrong side of good? Jimmy's still very good. The question is how much longer he stays good. And he's only under contract one more season (if we're counting his PO), so ...

[jayjaysee]

Does any team give up any real value for Mann and or Powell?

Or does Miami take pure expirings, Kobe Brown and a top 6ish protected 2030 first for Butler? Sticking with Ballmer. Det can almost make pure expirings work and take the free talent upgrade..

I'd be surprised if Powell and a 1st wasnt the best package available for Miami and i'd be doubly surprised if they turned it down.

That said, LAC didnt want to give an old PG a long term contract. Why would they give it to Jimmy?

I even tried the trade on SPOTRAC not saying spotrac is perfect but it helps...

Powell, Mann, Brown add up to about $33mil ish Butler Is $48 you need more and It says LA Is hard capped and over 1st apron, like I said above, trading for Butler Is going to be hard.

Although I do like the GSW trades been proposed, I just wasn't sure IF GSW would want or trade that many players to get It done.

It would be (something like)

Powell, Tucker, Bones, 2030 top 6 (top 4 2031) first to Miami
Butler, Alec, Klintman to LAC
Mann (and Dunn into the room exem) to Detroit

And you sign two rest of season contracts to stay under the first apron.

It can be made legal pretty easily if it’s the top offer. And gets Miami well below the tax according to my finger math.

Why would LAC do it?

If you’re paying Leonard and don’t own your picks… Why would you not add Butler? Ballmer all of a sudden afraid to spend?

Zu, Nico, Leonard, Butler, DJJ, Coffey, Harden and some hope for some decent minutes from Alec, KPJ and Kobe? Just need some buyout luck and Leonard to dress for the playoffs.

[nykballa2k4]

All these trades work on Spotrac and I'm unsure about including pics
or whether teams fit need etc etc

Note: I went through ON spotrac and found only a few possible teams that can trade for Butler and
get the salary to match while staying under the 2nd apron and I think Heat going to have a hard time trading for Butler
with out including a FRP or SRP's to keep other teams happy - his contract Is $48 mil ish.

Trade 1. Bulls/Heat

Bulls In: Butler and 1 FRP
Bulls Out: Lonzo/Vuc

Heat IN: Lonzo, Vuc
Heat Out: Butler 1 frp

Get something for Lonzo and Vuc risk It with Butler/Lavine combo, Bulls need a Center
again don't see It happening trading Vuc, but who knows

Trade 2. Heat/Blazers

Heat Out: Butler 1 FRP
Heat In: Grant - RW3, Matisse OR Scoot with Grant and Heat can choose on which of the 3 they want.

Blazers In: Butler 1frp
Blazers Out: Grant OR one of three RW3 Matisse OR Scoot.

Trade 3. Heat/Grizzlies - I don't see Grizzlies doing this

Heat Out: Butler 1 FRP
Heat In: Bane, B.Clarke

Mem Out: Bane, B.Clarke
Mem In: Butler 1 FRP

Trade 4. Heat/Was -

Heat Out: Butler 1 FRP
Heat In: Jonas, Poole

Was Out: Jonas, Poole
Was In: Buter 1 FRP

Honestly It's going to be tough for Heat to pull off a Butler trade by the deadline.

Good thoughts.
Of the options you posted -
Bulls - I don't see the fit, but it's not a big loss on their end and in a way is a salary dump off Vuc
Blazers - hard to see them wanting Jimmy there to abuse their youngsters and dominate the ball, I like the pieces they have for Miami the best though.
Memphis - Interesting fit, but I don't know how Jimmy would fit with such a ball dominant point guard. It feels like that is his problem on the court with Miami at present.
WAS - I mean for the wiz why not? I can't see Poole incoming, but Kuzma could be a legit target for Miami. Of course butler probably wants to play for a winning team so will he really give effort for a 6-25 team? I mean at that point they might just buy him out...

The big issue really is will Jimmy really be content where he goes?

Personally I think Detroit could be an option (Tobias, Hardaway), or perhaps Suns could swap Beal for Butler (Miami would have to shed Burks or similar salary to a team with a TPE or cap).

Obviously Pistons COULD put together a picks package with those vets to offer the Heat sort of a "tread this year, go big fishing next year" scenario.

Suns would pretty much be a star-swap. If I had to make a guess I would say Suns are my top candidate because Isiah Thomas is over there and he loves over the hill superstars and is always willing to give a pick away for a new old toy.
FWIW, Butlers USG is at 21 right now, typically 25. To me it looks like a small potatoes issue, but he did make a clear comment about how he feels he is not involved enough and is basically being asked to do less on offense. Beal has a USG of 23.5, so if Butler jumps into that, he might be able to get an uptick since Durant and Booker are comfortable off the ball and Jimmy could play some post-up to set them up. Of note, the specific work-around of "well you can play point and be more involved that way" already didn't work with Spo, so this is a clear Kobe-style "I wanna play my way" issue.

[SlimShady83]

Suns would pretty much be a star-swap.

I thought about the Suns, but It would be all on Beal saying Yes Or No, he has no trade clause thing and he seems to like It with Suns, others talked about KD but I don't see suns trading KD or Booker, It would be Beal - And Beal would have to say YES.

[nykballa2k4]

Suns would pretty much be a star-swap.

I thought about the Suns, but It would be all on Beal saying Yes Or No, he has no trade clause thing and he seems to like It with Suns, others talked about KD but I don't see suns trading KD or Booker, It would be Beal - And Beal would have to say YES.

I think it's an easy sell for Beal.
1) no state tax so you keep more of your money
2) Heat are known as a good organization
3) Miami can be a fun place to be