Middleton to OKC, Ingram to Mil

jayjaysee · Post #1 » by **jayjaysee** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 9:14 pm

Just some bad ideas combined.

OKC: Wiggins, Joe, Topic, 2025 Atlanta 2nd
OKC: Middleton, 2031 top 5 protected Milwaukee first (Theis and Beauchamp in roomLE)

OKC trades their 7th-8th bargain contracts and starts the 2031 collection of other team firsts. Middleton’s decline seems real. But he’s only 33 and maybe on a roster as talented as OKC, he can be maintained throughout the next couple months and be ready to perform in the playoffs like he does every year.

Milwaukee: Middleton, Beauchamp, AJ Johnson, Connaughton, 2031 first (top 5 protected)
Milwaukee: Ingram

Milwaukee brings in a younger piece to pair with Giannis. Ingram isn’t much of a flight risk for anyone that will pay him to most of us. They have to fill the back 2 roster spots with rest of season contracts to stay under second apron, but that’s a side note? Keep Lopez and Portis out of the deal. Ingram has to waive his TK I believe? But it’s prorated, so only giving up a couple million to get to a team that would likely extend him as part of the trade…

New Orleans: Ingram, Theis, Green
New Orleans: AJ Johnson, Connaughton, Joe, Topic, 2025 Toronto 2nd

New Orleans gets a top 35ish pick, two rookie first round picks, ducks the tax, and adds a floor spacing guard signed cheap for 3 full more years.

Detroit: (buy out Moore) 2025 Toronto 2nd
Detroit: Javonte Green, Wiggins and the 2025 Atlanta 2nd

Detroit gets a 3/d wing signed to an amazing contract thanks to their cap space. I don’t they are owed the second back, but I know I’m higher on Wiggins than most so figured I’d aim low?

nykballa2k4 · Post #2 » by **nykballa2k4** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 11:09 pm

You would have to think the Pelicans want something more than crap picks (no lotto potential) and bad contracts.
Cut Bucks out, Ingram on a one year rental for basically a FRP and neutral contracts... They are already scary but that would be game over. All assuming contracts work out.

jayjaysee · Post #3 » by **jayjaysee** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 11:23 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:You would have to think the Pelicans want something more than crap picks (no lotto potential) and bad contracts.
Cut Bucks out, Ingram on a one year rental for basically a FRP and neutral contracts... They are already scary but that would be game over. All assuming contracts work out.

Yeah, Moneytalks did Ingram to OKC yesterday or so. They can legally make that deal and it’s crazy to project that line up for the one run. I just liked the two year vet coming in.

I think Topic holds real first round pick value still? He was really highly projected before injury.. They only take on 9 million of bad money here in Connaughton, Joe to me is a good contract.

nykballa2k4 · Post #4 » by **nykballa2k4** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 11:29 pm

jayjaysee wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:You would have to think the Pelicans want something more than crap picks (no lotto potential) and bad contracts.
Cut Bucks out, Ingram on a one year rental for basically a FRP and neutral contracts... They are already scary but that would be game over. All assuming contracts work out.

Yeah, Moneytalks did Ingram to OKC yesterday or so. They can legally make that deal and it’s crazy to project that line up for the one run. I just liked the two year vet coming in.

I think Topic holds real first round pick value still? He was really highly projected before injury.. They only take on 9 million of bad money here in Connaughton, Joe to me is a good contract.

Picks are like new dars at the dealer, guys on their rookie contract (who have not well outplayed their draft slot) are the depreciation after it leaves the lot. The 2031 pick (should be unprotected) would be the biggest chip and the incentive. If you want to say Topic and Joe is compensation for taking Connaughton that's fine. Gotta get real value for Ingram who is a near-all-star talent.

Also Middleton at this point is probably negative value. Miami might take a chance on him in a Butler deal if given additional compensation, but that's a whole different thread.

jayjaysee · Post #5 » by **jayjaysee** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 11:59 pm

nykballa2k4 wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:You would have to think the Pelicans want something more than crap picks (no lotto potential) and bad contracts.
Cut Bucks out, Ingram on a one year rental for basically a FRP and neutral contracts... They are already scary but that would be game over. All assuming contracts work out.

Yeah, Moneytalks did Ingram to OKC yesterday or so. They can legally make that deal and it’s crazy to project that line up for the one run. I just liked the two year vet coming in.

I think Topic holds real first round pick value still? He was really highly projected before injury.. They only take on 9 million of bad money here in Connaughton, Joe to me is a good contract.

Picks are like new dars at the dealer, guys on their rookie contract (who have not well outplayed their draft slot) are the depreciation after it leaves the lot. The 2031 pick (should be unprotected) would be the biggest chip and the incentive. If you want to say Topic and Joe is compensation for taking Connaughton that's fine. Gotta get real value for Ingram who is a near-all-star talent.

Also Middleton at this point is probably negative value. Miami might take a chance on him in a Butler deal if given additional compensation, but that's a whole different thread.

Topic fell in the lottery because of injury.. him not playing is expected.. I don’t think his used car price drops as quick as others, or at least it shouldn’t..

I don’t know how much it costs to dump Connaughton but I think it’s closer to that early 2nd than it is to Topic. this season money, NOP is saving money and clearing the tax.

Or you could say AJ Johnson dumps Connaughton and NOP is getting Topic and an early 2nd for Ingram.

But this seems common here, I’m in minority that thinks Topic should still be valued as the late lottery pick he was. If he wasn’t hurt, he’d have been drafted a lot earlier as he was projected and we’d be able to judge his stock better..

Godaddycurse · Post #6 » by **Godaddycurse** » Sun Jan 12, 2025 12:15 am

Dont like this for OKC. They should get someone who is more reliable for their title push.

Get the reasoning behind it for Milwaukee, skeptical about their finances after this; ingram has them over a barrel after this trade/in the offseason

Good for Detroit
Better than nothing for NOP

jayjaysee · Post #7 » by **jayjaysee** » Sun Jan 12, 2025 12:31 am

Godaddycurse wrote:Dont like this for OKC. They should get someone who is more reliable for their title push.

Get the reasoning behind it for Milwaukee, skeptical about their finances after this; ingram has them over a barrel after this trade/in the offseason

Good for Detroit
Better than nothing for NOP

Middleton is a playoff monster his entire career though.. his history is why I looked at him.. And they get a distant first for Topic..

And yeah, Milwaukee finances would be terrible. But IMO they really need to look at who is going to be with Giannis through the rest of his prime. If they wait until after they jump the second apron (most likely next season) that gets a lot harder given their lack of assets..

nykballa2k4 · Post #8 » by **nykballa2k4** » Sun Jan 12, 2025 12:53 am

jayjaysee wrote:
nykballa2k4 wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:
Yeah, Moneytalks did Ingram to OKC yesterday or so. They can legally make that deal and it’s crazy to project that line up for the one run. I just liked the two year vet coming in.

I think Topic holds real first round pick value still? He was really highly projected before injury.. They only take on 9 million of bad money here in Connaughton, Joe to me is a good contract.

Picks are like new dars at the dealer, guys on their rookie contract (who have not well outplayed their draft slot) are the depreciation after it leaves the lot. The 2031 pick (should be unprotected) would be the biggest chip and the incentive. If you want to say Topic and Joe is compensation for taking Connaughton that's fine. Gotta get real value for Ingram who is a near-all-star talent.

Also Middleton at this point is probably negative value. Miami might take a chance on him in a Butler deal if given additional compensation, but that's a whole different thread.

Topic fell in the lottery because of injury.. him not playing is expected.. I don’t think his used car price drops as quick as others, or at least it shouldn’t..

I don’t know how much it costs to dump Connaughton but I think it’s closer to that early 2nd than it is to Topic. this season money, NOP is saving money and clearing the tax.

Or you could say AJ Johnson dumps Connaughton and NOP is getting Topic and an early 2nd for Ingram.

But this seems common here, I’m in minority that thinks Topic should still be valued as the late lottery pick he was. If he wasn’t hurt, he’d have been drafted a lot earlier as he was projected and we’d be able to judge his stock better..

I am not sure that any actual NBA GM would drop a player that much due to an injury unless they wanted to see how they looked once recovered. In which case, that's where we are.