babyjax13 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:babyjax13 wrote:The Suns will not get Butler without trading Dunn. You might not think the Suns should do that, but a 2031 1st and some seconds to turn Beal into Butler just isn't happening.
Then the Suns don't need Butler. Swapping out Beal for Butler doesn't make us contenders and honestly might only make us marginally better at this stage because we simply have numerous legitimate issues that he alone wouldn't fix. And giving up both our 31' 1st and Dunn who's becoming the heart and soul energizer of this team for a marginal improvement while also giving out the last of our assets would be idiotic and asinine. At this cost, we're much better served to just hold onto Beal and keep him coming off the bench as our super 6th man, while keeping the last assets we have left to use to address our center position.
The premise around the necessity for trading Beal was predicated upon the struggles we had with him starting and how it imbalanced our roster. But so far, having him come off the bench is clearly working. And our starters are beginning to regain form. Therefore there's no real necessity to trade him now. Butler only wants to come here to get his last big payday. KD only wants him because they are friends and want to play together regardless of the potentially detrimental outcome it would most likely create by paying that much to two aging stars in their late 30s. It would be gross negligence at this point. Butler can go anywhere else and we'd be better for it long term.
Either the Suns are serious about Butler or they are not. If they are serious about him I really doubt you'll like the package it requires. Phoenix has to offset the worst contract in the league + add value enough to get Miami to bite.
I understand what you're saying man. And I also understand that it would likely take around two firsts just to incentivize a team to take back Beals' horrific deal. But if that's the price that is expected just for the privilege to overpay for a soon to be 36 yr old
Butler and have well over 100 million tied up in two stars in their late 30s and absolutely no picks and no young talent and absolutely no future in a few years in order to sign Butler just to satiate Durant into extending, then it's just not worth it! especially for any that can understand that even with Butler, we're still not contending with having absolutely zero assets left to even fix our center position or any other needs. Again, It would be beyond idiotic.
But I do also understand that our owner is a recklessly impetuous and delusional moron that acts without thought or reason just to get big names here at any cost! And I also understand that our very own Kendall Roy (Ishbia) has way too much hubris to and rather double down on his mistakes rather than take accountability and pivot to a better and more reasonable path that just might actually give us a chance at a future. So yeah! I understand that Jimmy wants to get paid! And our idiotic owner is dumb enough to do it because he only understands that superteams sound cool on paper! Butler is just taking advantage of the situation and leveraging his friendship with KD to get paid! And KD is just interested in adding his buddies and leveraging his extension to do so.
Our delusional owner will probably find a way to make this happen. And we'll give away the very last of our future and a very promising core piece for maybe at best two years of being a 2nd round out postseason team. And at 38 years old as Ishbia tries to offload a 38 yr old washed Butler and a 38 yr old medially impactful Durant and gets only garbage back, He'll then be forced to trade a 30 yr old Booker for diminished value too. And we'll be a bottom 5 team for the next decade with no picks or young players to have any chance at building a future.
But honestly, they don't have to pay such an outrageous price just to move Beal! They simply need to keep him for now, and let him come off the bench, and let Jimmy go elsewhere or stay with the heat! Then IF we really struggle and don't make the playoffs, trade KD and trade Booker this summer so at last we could recover some semblance of a future to look towards. That's the most responsible path! Having said that, of course, Ishbia will triple down on yet another terrible decision that will cripple this franchise for decades! Because that's what it means to be a suns fan!
