UTA/DAL/CHO

[Mavrelous]

what if the Mavs pick went to you and we got something else? we're getting a crazy sweetheart deal in this

Would CHO trade Mavs 27 top 2 protected for Mavs 26 unprotected?

UTA has 4 1sts in 27, I'd offer super swap with them with the lowest pick they have, that's pretty valuable.

DAL sends:
Maxi, Gafford, 25 1st, unprotected 26 1st

DAL receive:
Sexton, Richards, Cavs 25 1st (30th pick in the draft), Mavs 27 1st, 33 rd pick in 25 draft.

UTA sends:
Sexton, Cavs 1st
UTA recive:
Martin 31rd pick from CHO, super swap in 27.

They downgrade 1 spot in the 25 draft, pretty meaningless, but gain super swap in 27.

CHO sends:
Micic, Richards, 31st pick, 33rd pick, Mavs 27 pick

CHO receive:
Maxi, Gafford, DAL 25 1st, DAL 26 1st unprotected.

Yeah it's still comfortably a win for Charlotte. Am I missing something with Gafford? Why are they saary dumping him?

He's a low end starter, good backup center, ideal for teams with established center of the future and need 20-25 MPG, he's much better than Richards, but he's not a good starter if that's your expectation, you'd struggle to rebound adequately and defend in space.
Reason for using him is the Mavs being hardcapped, there is no other matching salary...
Other option is Maxi, Powell and Exum, and you're still short under the Apron.
Before the injuries, 3rd guard was a luxury, but with both Luka and Kyrie out, Mavs have no proper on ball guards and the team is struggling.

[babyjax13]

Would CHO trade Mavs 27 top 2 protected for Mavs 26 unprotected?

UTA has 4 1sts in 27, I'd offer super swap with them with the lowest pick they have, that's pretty valuable.

DAL sends:
Maxi, Gafford, 25 1st, unprotected 26 1st

DAL receive:
Sexton, Richards, Cavs 25 1st (30th pick in the draft), Mavs 27 1st, 33 rd pick in 25 draft.

UTA sends:
Sexton, Cavs 1st
UTA recive:
Martin 31rd pick from CHO, super swap in 27.

They downgrade 1 spot in the 25 draft, pretty meaningless, but gain super swap in 27.

CHO sends:
Micic, Richards, 31st pick, 33rd pick, Mavs 27 pick

CHO receive:
Maxi, Gafford, DAL 25 1st, DAL 26 1st unprotected.

Yeah it's still comfortably a win for Charlotte. Am I missing something with Gafford? Why are they saary dumping him?

He's a low end starter, good backup center, ideal for teams with established center of the future and need 20-25 MPG, he's much better than Richards, but he's not a good starter if that's your expectation, you'd struggle to rebound adequately and defend in space.
Reason for using him is the Mavs being hardcapped, there is no other matching salary...
Other option is Maxi, Powell and Exum, and you're still short under the Apron.
Before the injuries, 3rd guard was a luxury, but with both Luka and Kyrie out, Mavs have no proper on ball guards and the team is struggling.

We have 4 picks in 27 but Dallas is likely to be a really good team. If there aren't better offers for Sexton I'd probably do it, but I don't see a ton more value in that pick than the 30 for 31 swap other than the outside chance Luka were to get injured for a large enough portion of the season they miss the playoffs.

[JMAC3]

I don't really see the value for Charlotte here.

If the Dallas pick ends up 24th, they really aren't getting a better prospect then they would at 31 or 33. Plus they take on 25 million in salary next year. Both Richards and Martin are unguaranteed so Charlotte loses a ton of flexibility. Legit you could argue that 31 and 33 have more value than a late first.

Gafford and Richards are basically the same player except 1 makes 3x the money. No interest in Kleber at 11 million next year.

[HornetJail]

Would CHO trade Mavs 27 top 2 protected for Mavs 26 unprotected?

UTA has 4 1sts in 27, I'd offer super swap with them with the lowest pick they have, that's pretty valuable.

DAL sends:
Maxi, Gafford, 25 1st, unprotected 26 1st

DAL receive:
Sexton, Richards, Cavs 25 1st (30th pick in the draft), Mavs 27 1st, 33 rd pick in 25 draft.

UTA sends:
Sexton, Cavs 1st
UTA recive:
Martin 31rd pick from CHO, super swap in 27.

They downgrade 1 spot in the 25 draft, pretty meaningless, but gain super swap in 27.

CHO sends:
Micic, Richards, 31st pick, 33rd pick, Mavs 27 pick

CHO receive:
Maxi, Gafford, DAL 25 1st, DAL 26 1st unprotected.

Yeah it's still comfortably a win for Charlotte. Am I missing something with Gafford? Why are they saary dumping him?

He's a low end starter, good backup center, ideal for teams with established center of the future and need 20-25 MPG, he's much better than Richards, but he's not a good starter if that's your expectation, you'd struggle to rebound adequately and defend in space.
Reason for using him is the Mavs being hardcapped, there is no other matching salary...
Other option is Maxi, Powell and Exum, and you're still short under the Apron.
Before the injuries, 3rd guard was a luxury, but with both Luka and Kyrie out, Mavs have no proper on ball guards and the team is struggling.

The expectation isn't for Gafford to start, it's for him to be a Mark Williams complement. Mark, even when fully healthy, just isn't a big minutes player.

The ideal scenario is for Mark to play his heart out for 25-27mpg, and then hit the bench and have another productive center behind him and be able to step up when Mark can't play. Ideally that backup is someone you can throw the ball to and let him create some offense (because god knows the rest of our bench can't), but the second best option is having a mini Mark, and that's Gafford.

For reference, I would happily have spent the 6th pick last summer for a prospect of that archetype let alone the actual thing.

[HornetJail]

Gafford and Richards are basically the same player except 1 makes 3x the money.

I don't understand how anyone watching basketball can come to that conclusion

[JMAC3]

Gafford and Richards are basically the same player except 1 makes 3x the money.

I don't understand how anyone watching basketball can come to that conclusion

Gafford is 83 Off EPM, 8 Def EPM and 57 Overall EPM
Richards is 44 Off EPM, 46 Def EPM, 41 Overall EPM

Gafford is terrible on defense this year, he has been below average on defense every year of his career except last year. He is by far their worst defender this year by EPM.

Richards would be an upgrade on that side of the ball and offensively I think he would benefit from playing with Luka, just like Gafford and Lively have.

Sure Gafford might be 15% better on a good day, but he is paid 3x as much.

[Mavrelous]

Yeah it's still comfortably a win for Charlotte. Am I missing something with Gafford? Why are they saary dumping him?

He's a low end starter, good backup center, ideal for teams with established center of the future and need 20-25 MPG, he's much better than Richards, but he's not a good starter if that's your expectation, you'd struggle to rebound adequately and defend in space.
Reason for using him is the Mavs being hardcapped, there is no other matching salary...
Other option is Maxi, Powell and Exum, and you're still short under the Apron.
Before the injuries, 3rd guard was a luxury, but with both Luka and Kyrie out, Mavs have no proper on ball guards and the team is struggling.

We have 4 picks in 27 but Dallas is likely to be a really good team. If there aren't better offers for Sexton I'd probably do it, but I don't see a ton more value in that pick than the 30 for 31 swap other than the outside chance Luka were to get injured for a large enough portion of the season they miss the playoffs.

31 pick is too much for Sexton IMO, he can't command this level of upside in the pick.
Luka Dallas isn't a RS team, their best win total is 52 in 6 years, Luka always misses time and now you have Kyrie also who misses 20 games a year.
31 1st top 4 protected is good? Ala Lakers 27? Or 31 1st unprotected and Dallas gets worst of Utah 27 1st + Cavs 25 1st.

[Godaddycurse]

One thing that bothers me about this trade.. Gafford as a low end starter is probably worth a late 1st in a vacuum, but not to a team like the hornets who mailed it in for this year already. They are paying the full price here for only the last year of Gafford's remaining cost control.

[Mavrelous]

Yeah it's still comfortably a win for Charlotte. Am I missing something with Gafford? Why are they saary dumping him?

He's a low end starter, good backup center, ideal for teams with established center of the future and need 20-25 MPG, he's much better than Richards, but he's not a good starter if that's your expectation, you'd struggle to rebound adequately and defend in space.
Reason for using him is the Mavs being hardcapped, there is no other matching salary...
Other option is Maxi, Powell and Exum, and you're still short under the Apron.
Before the injuries, 3rd guard was a luxury, but with both Luka and Kyrie out, Mavs have no proper on ball guards and the team is struggling.

The expectation isn't for Gafford to start, it's for him to be a Mark Williams complement. Mark, even when fully healthy, just isn't a big minutes player.

The ideal scenario is for Mark to play his heart out for 25-27mpg, and then hit the bench and have another productive center behind him and be able to step up when Mark can't play. .
.

That's exactly his role with the Mavs, but in the PO his minutes become worse because of his inability to defend in space, in the OKC matchup he was unplayable, against the Clippers and Wolves he was better.

[Mavrelous]

One thing that bothers me about this trade.. Gafford as a low end starter is probably worth a late 1st in a vacuum, but not to a team like the hornets who mailed it in for this year already. They are paying the full price here for only the last year of Gafford's remaining cost control.

I valued Gafford + Maxi as neutral, I think that's fair, and the 25 1st for the 2 2nds as neutral, reason for including CHA is
1. They need uograde at backup center, even if it's only for next year.
2. They can add on salary, part of the offer to the Jazz is lower salary
3. They can split the cost of the 1st with their good secomds.

[MasterIchiro]

One thing that bothers me about this trade.. Gafford as a low end starter is probably worth a late 1st in a vacuum, but not to a team like the hornets who mailed it in for this year already. They are paying the full price here for only the last year of Gafford's remaining cost control.

I valued Gafford + Maxi as neutral, I think that's fair, and the 25 1st for the 2 2nds as neutral, reason for including CHA is
1. They need uograde at backup center, even if it's only for next year.
2. They can add on salary, part of the offer to the Jazz is lower salary
3. They can split the cost of the 1st with their good secomds.

You're being more than fair giving the Hornets a 1st for taking on Gafford plus Kleber. Gafford at 1 year buys time for Moussa Diabaté who's not quite 23 years old. Then Gafford with Kleber become expirings Hornets can use for matching purposes for upgrades if they choose to attach 1st round picks from the stable of 6 the GM will have. Plus pick 23 plus the lottery pick. The whole roster will be filled with movable contracts next season.

And I think it's insulting anyone would suggest you can get the same prospect at 32 that you can get at 23. Somewhere between 23 and 32 one of your preferred prospects falls off the board, if you are thorough in your scouting.

[Apz]

I just dont see how mavs can justify throwing all their eggs at sexton when he at best is 3rd guard. Trading gafford completly destroys mavs way of playing, and he seems loved in the lockerroom. Now u have zero ways to improve the squad, sits on like 7 guards and have 1 center and 1 pf that is playable in po and no way to get moves for more done.

Its a panic trade but I dont think the mavs fo is panicking. They know the team will win pretty much everything after asg when the guys get back. If they should use the pick its to upgrade kleber

[Mavrelous]

I don't think Sexton is a panic trade, I long coveted him because of his fit next to Luka.

[Apz]

I don't think Sexton is a panic trade, I long coveted him because of his fit next to Luka.

Maybe he fits. But not better the kyrie. So if u want to fill a guardspot a guard, say grimes or klay, have to go and mavs still need that 1st to get upgrade/replacement to kleber

[daoneandonly]

I just think if the Mavs are giving up Gaff and a 1st, they should get a better return, no? Sexton is not a winning basketball player and plays zero D, the rest is just meager pieces