Lakers-Bulls-Blazers

[Dez]

Absolutely not.

That pick will most likely convey as a SRP.

That's irrelevant, the Blazers give up nothing of value to get flexibility with their pick.

You have to give to get.

Cool.

POR can work out another deal with CHI and LAL can find another dance partner.

So basically any Portland trade unless they give up nothing to get value is a no by you.

[axeman23]

That's irrelevant, the Blazers give up nothing of value to get flexibility with their pick.

You have to give to get.

Cool.

POR can work out another deal with CHI and LAL can find another dance partner.

So basically any Portland trade unless they give up nothing to get value is a no by you.

I mean the ENTIRE Portland part of the deal could be done with Chicago, COMPLETELY independent of the Lakers. But it's STILL Chicago who could give you control of your picks moving forward, or not. So if the CHICAGO side feels you're getting a BIT too good a deal, there's no reason to get angry at the Lakers...

[JRoy]

That's irrelevant, the Blazers give up nothing of value to get flexibility with their pick.

You have to give to get.

Cool.

POR can work out another deal with CHI and LAL can find another dance partner.

So basically any Portland trade unless they give up nothing to get value is a no by you.

I think POR can do better than your suggestion.

[JRoy]

Cool.

POR can work out another deal with CHI and LAL can find another dance partner.

So basically any Portland trade unless they give up nothing to get value is a no by you.

I mean the ENTIRE Portland part of the deal could be done with Chicago, COMPLETELY independent of the Lakers. But it's STILL Chicago who could give you control of your picks moving forward, or not. So if the CHICAGO side feels you're getting a BIT too good a deal, there's no reason to get angry at the Lakers...

Who’s angry?

Better just to cut out LAL and make a deal with CHI.

[Dez]

So basically any Portland trade unless they give up nothing to get value is a no by you.

I mean the ENTIRE Portland part of the deal could be done with Chicago, COMPLETELY independent of the Lakers. But it's STILL Chicago who could give you control of your picks moving forward, or not. So if the CHICAGO side feels you're getting a BIT too good a deal, there's no reason to get angry at the Lakers...

Who’s angry?

Better just to cut out LAL and make a deal with CHI.

Except Chicago is getting value from the Lakers.

Portland have nothing of value to Chicago.

[axeman23]

I mean the ENTIRE Portland part of the deal could be done with Chicago, COMPLETELY independent of the Lakers. But it's STILL Chicago who could give you control of your picks moving forward, or not. So if the CHICAGO side feels you're getting a BIT too good a deal, there's no reason to get angry at the Lakers...

Who’s angry?

Better just to cut out LAL and make a deal with CHI.

Except Chicago is getting value from the Lakers.

Portland have nothing of value to Chicago.

Yeah, the Cavs and Bulls can probably work something out around their share of this deal. Reath isn't as valueable to me/the Lakers, as getting control of their draft picks again SHOULD be to Portland. But if he doesn't see the value in it, he doesn't...

[ChettheJet]

Lonzo is playing too well to trade, the Bulls really have no minutes left to even play Knetch since Rui starts at the 4, Williams becomes the 3 and Lavine is the SG with Giddey, White, Dosunmu and even THT at guard. Knecht is next to Terry. And all you're going is giving up $6.5M Carter for $11M Vincent for the same 2 years. So don't act like you're doing the Bulls any favors. So no way are they just giving up that PORT pick or 2029 2nds to help the Lakers.

[HomoSapien]

I also like this from the Bulls side. Knecht is a potential long-term piece and that Portland pick is far from guaranteed since they're in the midst of a rebuild.

[DiegoChara]

Feels like Portland give very little to get back their pick.

I feel like they should throw in a 2nd or two to the Lakers.

Absolutely not.

That pick will most likely convey as a SRP.

I agree that's the likely outcome, but it DOES give you back some flexibility for trading picks in the future. And I'm not saying that to get more 2nds for the Lakers. I'd actually try to get a single 2nd for CHI, not Lakers. And after looking at my altered deal (bringing in JHS instead of Knecht), I realised JHS also has a lot of competition for minutes there. So maybe instead of Knecht OR JHS, just change it to Reddish and 2 Lakers 2nds going to Chi with Rui and Vincent. That nets the Bulls 3 2nds, and they can maybe use 1 of those to attach to Torrey Craig heading to Det for a fake 2nd back. I imagine Craig would be more use as a veteran presence for Detroit, who seem to want to shoot for the playoffs, than for the Bulls who seem to be biding their time for now.

Given where Portland is in the rebuild (essentially ground zero) the flexibility to trade future firsts is completely irrelevant before that pick conveys or converts.

Totally fine with the original deal, but obtaining the flexibility to do something you 100% aren’t going to do isn’t actually worth anything.

[schaffy]

This seems poor value for the Lakers from where i stand. And that feeling seems to be reinforced by all the Portland fans happily agreeing to the deal (what is it, "37 GLORIOUS years without dealing with the Lakers", something like that?) Jokes aside, I'd at LEAST try to sub Knecht out for JHS (still young at 21, and would be buried behind Reaves, Ball and Lebron at Lakers anyway.). Doesn't really affect the deal money-wise.

That change would seem to kill any value for the Bulls then. JHS may still be young, but he is really just an expiring contract after his option was declined. I guess maybe a team could get him in now to see if they like him before trying to sign him to some min deal in the offseason, but thats about it. And that isnt worth much at all.

You've already got the Bulls giving up a pick that might only ever become 2nds, a decent size expiring and a ~7M player option next yr to get ~$30M next year in Rui and Vincent. You've got to get them something else of value to do that and I fail to see how a ~$4M expiring bench warmer is that. Knecht at least still has hope of being a potential rotation guy if the shot comes back around.