LAL (Beal); PHX (Butler): MIA (Ingram plus); NO (picks)

[Xman]

I know there have a lot of different versions of these guys moving around - so, here is one more.

First, what can some of these older ring chasing teams offer?

LAL: 2025 (LAL and LAC 2nds), 2026 (first swap), 2028 (first swap), 2030 (first swap), 2029&2031 firsts.
MIA: firsts (staring in 2029), 2nds (2026 LAL 2nd, 2031 best of MIA/IND 2nds).
PHX: 2031 first, 2nds (2025 DEN 2nd)
DEN: No 2nds. Owes 2025 protected top 5 first to ORL, then two years after conveying to ORL, same to OKC in 2027 and 2029 - three firsts total - so only 2031 first available to ship. DEN could also ship swaps conditional to picks being shipped to ORL/OKC.

LAL - Assuming they want Beal. Might be one of the only teams where he fits their time-line.
PHX wants Butler.
NO is tanking and preparing to move forward without Ingram.
MIA need to move Butler but would like to stay competitive especially since they owe two first over the next three years.

I have seen posts about PHX/MIA/LAL not giving future assets because they cannot win it all. I think all three of those teams think they have a chance - so they are willing to deal.

Question for PHX is whether Beal plus what they can add is enough for Butler. Posters have suggested a Grayson to DEN for filler and a pick and seems well accepted - so, would try that as a precursor.

Deal:
PHX gets Butler
- owes pick value. All they have is 2031 first and 2025 DEN 2nd (plus any return on Grayson deal). Is that enough to launch Beal and get Butler?

LAL gets Beal
- Everyone complains about Beal's contract which is huge - but the guy is only 31 and still can play well.
- I think trade value is about equal but I would have LAL add those 2025 seconds (2025 LAL and LAC 2nds) - but opinion could swing that the other way and have them getting seconds. Still player swap is good for the team - taking the contract but getting another playoff run guy.
Lineup: Beal, Lebron, Davis is a nice big 3. DFS and Reaves round out lineup. Christie, etc. provide a little depth.

MIA gets Ingram, Rui, Vando, Knecht
- I am going to call this equal but I think this is Miami getting a lot for Butler here. Knecht could be really good - and if this too good for MIA then he could be re-routed to NO (or WAS). Ingram does his thing and the other two are solid guys.
Note: If Miami is not big on Ingram, WAS can sub in for NO with some combo of Poole/Kuzma/Brogdon/JVal/Kispert etc.)
Lineup: Herro/Rozier/Ingram/(Knecht, Rui, Vando)/Bam - That is a lot of shooting around a stout big. Could upset someone.

NO gets DuncanR, LAL flotsam (Vincent, Shake, Hood - but could be others like Christie, Wood, Reddish, Hayes, depending on roster balance and what contracts NO is willing to accept).
- owed pick value. DuncanR has player option for next year at $20 mil but only $9.8 grty.
Picks: gets everything PHX has: 2031 first, 2025 DEN 2nd and anything it gets for Grayson. Plus, anything LA or MIA might add (probably seconds).
- all in all, a pick that might hit big for Ingram and taking a little salary seems solid. If the future salary is a problem, could probably give seconds to WAS to swap for expiring contracts and maybe JVal.

[BBallFreak]

Their is no way in the world that the Lakers take Beal without a ton of value going their way, and they shouldn't be giving Knecht. New Orleans is owed value.

All the additional value should be coming from Phoenix.

[SlimShady83]

Lakers have said they want to get; Bigger, Faster and have more depth, I beleive the Lakers are going for the 2 star model (Bron/AD) along with being Bigger/Faster/Depth. I don't see Lakers wanting Beal or Butler for that matter, especially having to give up a pic for them. If Lakers use their FRP they should be getting someone much, much younger ie Kessler (who I want hehe).

[drchaos]

Phoenix would be thrilled with that deal.

They need to put in more but they would have to move KD to get the assets needed to complete this trade.

[SlimShady83]

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[axeman23]

This offer gets your number blocked from LA's end. Every other team would require multiple 1sts to take on Beal, except for the Lakers who are actually giving UP last year's 1st rounder, who is a solid rotation piece, and another 2 rotational pieces, for the "privelege" to pay Beal 50M? Who fills out the bench after this trade? The cheer squad? MIA getting too good a deal for a disgruntled and already suspended Jimmy as well, particularly if they can resign Ingram on a cap-friendly deal. But PHX...