can your team trade for Jimmy? a look at all the other teams

[NYG]

the resulting trade would have to drop them below the 2nd apron. meaning they'll have to send out about $55M to do it

How could they do that and still fill out their roster?

It’s easy to make a legal trade work with Milwaukee.

Whether they do it or Miami accepts it is the discussion I guess. But is legal.

How would they be able to fill their roster in a 3-for-1 type deal and not go above the second apron?

[kobe_vs_jordan]

I think the problem with Dallas is less the apron/making of a trade and more the Venetian not being willing to give Jimmy his 2 year extension and live over the second apron. Or wanting to risk the chemistry or anything like that.

If Jimmy was actually just wanting to play out his contract and try and win a championship and then see what happens, I’d hope Dallas makes a real offer and deals with the depth after.

I still think a possible scenario is a team wink wink agrees that he opts out this summer and they replace that year with a 2 year deal starting at a slightly lower, but still massive number. Not what Jimmy wants but securing another $40M or more on top of what his option is for next year might be the best he can get.

And if he comes to terms with that, then maybe Vegas is okay with that 2 year window and Dallas should bid. Problem is if he's willing to do that another team can and should make a more attractive offer.

IDK, I think that most competitive teams would be weary adding him on a longer contract knowing how he gets when he is not the center of attention.

Way i see it you likely get two good post season runs with jimmy. That last post season run mileage might start showing too much but it’s the cost of doing business.

Not like he demanding a 4 year max here.

[jayjaysee]

How could they do that and still fill out their roster?

It’s easy to make a legal trade work with Milwaukee.

Whether they do it or Miami accepts it is the discussion I guess. But is legal.

How would they be able to fill their roster in a 3-for-1 type deal and not go above the second apron?

Rest of season contracts are smaller cap holds. Add in Johnson/Beauchamp who both make enough to count for two rest of season contracts (not an exact number obviously) and Midds actually counts for 34 mil under apron so a bit more wiggle room than most trade machines show..

there’s been a lot of examples around that make legal trades.

Theres also Milwaukee taking the risk and trading Brolo instead of Portis/Connaughton.. Makes the math about 2mil easier..

Brolo to Detroit
Midds, Simone, Moore, first to Miami
Butler to Milwuakee

Clears about 2 million more than Milwaukee needs to clear which means you can try and get “Jonas for Connaughton, Johnson” or stretch dollars for Timelord, Olynyk, etc.. Or try and just get lesser guys like Theis or some unexpected buyout. No idea.

You need someone interested in Brolo and someone who sees value in AJ Johnson.

But making a legal trade is easy.

[ChettheJet]

Jimmy isn't the same person that left Chicago. He's a lot more selfish and seems to be swinging the needle from solid towards the Ron Artest side. As good as he can be, especially deep in the playoffs, the Bulls have to give up too much to allow Jimmy to make a big difference and get TO the playoffs.

Just not a match.

[NYG]

It’s easy to make a legal trade work with Milwaukee.

Whether they do it or Miami accepts it is the discussion I guess. But is legal.

How would they be able to fill their roster in a 3-for-1 type deal and not go above the second apron?

Rest of season contracts are smaller cap holds. Add in Johnson/Beauchamp who both make enough to count for two rest of season contracts (not an exact number obviously) and Midds actually counts for 34 mil under apron so a bit more wiggle room than most trade machines show..

there’s been a lot of examples around that make legal trades.

Theres also Milwaukee taking the risk and trading Brolo instead of Portis/Connaughton.. Makes the math about 2mil easier..

Brolo to Detroit
Midds, Simone, Moore, first to Miami
Butler to Milwuakee

Clears about 2 million more than Milwaukee needs to clear which means you can try and get “Jonas for Connaughton, Johnson” or stretch dollars for Timelord, Olynyk, etc.. Or try and just get lesser guys like Theis or some unexpected buyout. No idea.

You need someone interested in Brolo and someone who sees value in AJ Johnson.

But making a legal trade is easy.

What about Middleton, Portis and Connaughton for Butler? How much room would that give them below the second apron and is that enough for two minimums?

[jayjaysee]

How would they be able to fill their roster in a 3-for-1 type deal and not go above the second apron?

Rest of season contracts are smaller cap holds. Add in Johnson/Beauchamp who both make enough to count for two rest of season contracts (not an exact number obviously) and Midds actually counts for 34 mil under apron so a bit more wiggle room than most trade machines show..

there’s been a lot of examples around that make legal trades.

Theres also Milwaukee taking the risk and trading Brolo instead of Portis/Connaughton.. Makes the math about 2mil easier..

Brolo to Detroit
Midds, Simone, Moore, first to Miami
Butler to Milwuakee

Clears about 2 million more than Milwaukee needs to clear which means you can try and get “Jonas for Connaughton, Johnson” or stretch dollars for Timelord, Olynyk, etc.. Or try and just get lesser guys like Theis or some unexpected buyout. No idea.

You need someone interested in Brolo and someone who sees value in AJ Johnson.

But making a legal trade is easy.

What about Middleton, Portis and Connaughton for Butler? How much room would that give them below the second apron and is that enough for two minimums?

The apron hit of those 3 is 56,002,155. Milwaukee is 6,499,639 over the second apron. Jimmy makes 48,798,677. So maybe.

Can you cycle 10 day contracts long enough to get a rookie/rest of season contract down to 700K? I think you likely can. But I don’t know.

Now if you dump Beauchamps or if Johnson is included (he likely has to be anyways).. then the match becomes a lot easier and the answer goes from probably to yes.

Is Milwaukee better off with Brolo and two rest of season contracts or Jonas, Portis, and a vet min? Lopez the better player this year obviously..

[hugepatsfan]

Celtics could, in theory, trade Holiday/Porzingis for Butler from a salary standpoint and backfill the open roster spot with a minimum salary player. Those two make abut $10M more than Butler and BOS is about $7.6M over the 2nd apron. So they'd get under to be able to aggregate the salaries and they're taking back less than they're sending out so they can make it as a 1st apron team. At least that's my understanding.

MIA can't take those guys back, so there'd have to be a multi team deal that reroutes one of both of them. It gets complicated and doubt either team wants to deal with each other on this, but just pointing it out to be a cap stickler.

[BBallFreak]

Rest of season contracts are smaller cap holds. Add in Johnson/Beauchamp who both make enough to count for two rest of season contracts (not an exact number obviously) and Midds actually counts for 34 mil under apron so a bit more wiggle room than most trade machines show..

there’s been a lot of examples around that make legal trades.

Theres also Milwaukee taking the risk and trading Brolo instead of Portis/Connaughton.. Makes the math about 2mil easier..

Brolo to Detroit
Midds, Simone, Moore, first to Miami
Butler to Milwuakee

Clears about 2 million more than Milwaukee needs to clear which means you can try and get “Jonas for Connaughton, Johnson” or stretch dollars for Timelord, Olynyk, etc.. Or try and just get lesser guys like Theis or some unexpected buyout. No idea.

You need someone interested in Brolo and someone who sees value in AJ Johnson.

But making a legal trade is easy.

What about Middleton, Portis and Connaughton for Butler? How much room would that give them below the second apron and is that enough for two minimums?

The apron hit of those 3 is 56,002,155. Milwaukee is 6,499,639 over the second apron. Jimmy makes 48,798,677. So maybe.

Can you cycle 10 day contracts long enough to get a rookie/rest of season contract down to 700K? I think you likely can. But I don’t know.

Now if you dump Beauchamps or if Johnson is included (he likely has to be anyways).. then the match becomes a lot easier and the answer goes from probably to yes.

Is Milwaukee better off with Brolo and two rest of season contracts or Jonas, Portis, and a vet min? Lopez the better player this year obviously..

I think they need BroLo for spacing, but Conaughton can't go to Miami. We're not going into the second apron for this trade. It's that aspect that complicates the hell out of things.

[_GH0ST_]

I would love to see Jimmy go to the Bucks and watch him destroy the Celtics once again in the ECF but the Bucks' package doesn't look good.

[slos]

How could they do that and still fill out their roster?

It’s easy to make a legal trade work with Milwaukee.

Whether they do it or Miami accepts it is the discussion I guess. But is legal.

Miami isn't going to go over the second apron and they're pretty close right now, so it would require a third team. The players leaving the Bucks would almost have to be Middleton and Portis to Miami and Conaughton to a third team. Then, it's just a matter of compensation - picks to whomever takes Pat Conaughton, and a pick to Miami...

It doesn't even HAVE to be Connaughton to a 3rd team..

Bucks in Butler
Miami in Middleton, Portis, Connaughton
Third team (let's say Toronto) in Richardson (TPE), Burks (TPE) + cash

Feel free to add the picks. That's a legal trade that leaves both Milwaukee and Miami enough money under the 2nd apron to convert a two way contract and complete their rosters.

[drosestruts]

My toxic trait is looking at how every team has at some point been "over" Jimmy and still liking the idea of Jimmy back in Chicago.


Heat in: Nikola Vucevic, Coby White, and Patrick Williams


Bulls in: Jimmy Butler and Josh Richardson


Heat add two young players in Coby and Williams. Williams is locked up long-term, has been bad this year. Many view him as a 3&D floor type player but with hopes for being more. If there's a franchise and coach that can get the most out of someone - isn't it Miami? On Coby White they're adding another combo-guard, in this instance one who finished 2nd in MIP last year. 1.5 years left on a very nice deal. Vuc helps makes the salary work - big question would be can he and Bam play at the time time - I'd imagine yes. Other will likely disagree.


For the Bulls

I just really like a starting 5 of Ball-LaVine-Butler-Craig-Smith not to mention keeping players like Giddey, Ayo, and Matas.

Yes Bulls will need to be players in the buyout market for a backup big man.

No one wants to see that starting 5 in a play-in or 1st round series.

[nykballa2k4]

I still think a possible scenario is a team wink wink agrees that he opts out this summer and they replace that year with a 2 year deal starting at a slightly lower, but still massive number. Not what Jimmy wants but securing another $40M or more on top of what his option is for next year might be the best he can get.

And if he comes to terms with that, then maybe Vegas is okay with that 2 year window and Dallas should bid. Problem is if he's willing to do that another team can and should make a more attractive offer.

IDK, I think that most competitive teams would be weary adding him on a longer contract knowing how he gets when he is not the center of attention.

Way i see it you likely get two good post season runs with jimmy. That last post season run mileage might start showing too much but it’s the cost of doing business.

Not like he demanding a 4 year max here.

Jimmy is consistent with wanting to be the alpha. The money validates him as the alpha, but he wants to be the guy the offense runs through. That's what he said when he went to Miami. He wanted it to be HIS team. And it was. Until this year when lesser guys who show up and work hard have been given the keys by Spo (and Miami doesn't want to pay him).

Jimmy is going to be uneven in his play as all players are when they get older. So yes -- for playoff runs perhaps he can dial it up and make a surge. The problem is, like last year he was hurt, will you even get to see that for your 50M/year?

But I agree that's the calculation a team could make.