Best SF/Wing for Daniel Gafford?

[penbeast0]

Dallas is not trading two rotation players for Holmes again. He was terrible here and was only a Mav because they wanted to get the 1st round pick from the Kings. Dallas can't afford to punt talent like this. Grimes and Kleber each play 20 minutes. Holmes wouldn't beat out Dwight Powell(he didn't last time).

Thought the idea was to deal away Grimes and Maxi's contracts to create room. Holmes is just a guy who can play center, fits the contract numbers, and isn't guaranteed money after this year. Not implying he has more value than that.

[Texas Chuck]

Dallas is not trading two rotation players for Holmes again. He was terrible here and was only a Mav because they wanted to get the 1st round pick from the Kings. Dallas can't afford to punt talent like this. Grimes and Kleber each play 20 minutes. Holmes wouldn't beat out Dwight Powell(he didn't last time).

Thought the idea was to deal away Grimes and Maxi's contracts to create room. Holmes is just a guy who can play center, fits the contract numbers, and isn't guaranteed money after this year. Not implying he has more value than that.

To create room for what? Dallas could just not issue a QO to Grimes if they want off him next year(I do not expect this, they tried to extend him earlier this year). Yes, Dallas might want to move Kleber's money off the books next year, but that's a problem for next year.

Just subtracting 40 minutes from the rotation to save Maxi's money next year feels really bad for a team that was just in the Finals and who looked really good when Luka was healthy.

I know this board is obsessed with Dallas dumping Maxi Kleber. He's a bad contract for sure. But he plays. He's the only backup forward and he also plays center when the team wants to go small or when one of the centers is hurt. Kidd trusts him.

He has negative value in trade but positive value on the court. Which makes him a terrible trade candidate.

[Scoot McGroot]

This is terrible for Washington.

JV is pretty good and cheap and fills a role in Washington nicely. Why would they trade him for Vincent's awful contract and a prospect who has earned just 123 total minutes of playing time in 1.5 seasons?

Feels like the bolded sections directly address each other?

It's a pretty big red flag when a prospect can't get off the pine in his second season. I just don't think JHS has the value to get this deal done. I don't think JHS is enough to simply dump Vincent's contract for nothing, much less get back a pretty good NBA player on a cheap contract in return.

Yeah, JHS isn’t the value. He’s just filler expiring. Seemed jayjaysee was asking what value needs to be added for Washington to consider it.

[cgf]

Can't see our FO trading OG, Mikal, or Josh, and dunno what kind of pick compensation would balance any of these...but could one of these options improve both teams?

Bridges + Achiuwa + Payne + Sims <---> Gafford + Washington + Grimes

Bridges + Achiuwa <---> Gafford + Washington

Bridges <---> Gafford + Grimes + Prosper

Hart <---> Gafford + Grimes

I dont think NY would consider any of these given the price they paid for Mikal, but as a Mavs fan I'd consider the 2 bolded ones. Dallas can ill afford to lose PJ as he's so crucial to their D; when his O is on, they're formidable, and he's a team leader and sets the tone.

Yeah I don't think our FO goes for any of those options even if we're getting picks as well; was mostly just a thought exercise about values & fits. The Gafford/PJ for Mikal/Precious premise felt worth exploring, so I tried scaling it up and down to see what the variants could look like.

Thinking more about the Bridges/Achiuwa for PJ/Gafford option does make me think it could actually benefit both teams, though I don't think either would go for it, and neither of us would like it.

DAL
Lively | Achiuwa | Powell
Doncic | Kleber | Morris
Bridges | Marshall | Prosper
Thompson | Grimes | Hardy
Irving | Dinwiddie | Exum

Irving - Thompson - Bridges - Doncic - Lively
Dinwiddie - Grimes - Marshall - Kleber - Achiuwa

NYK
Robinson | Gafford | Sims | Hukporti
Towns | Washington | Dadiet | Okeke
Anunoby |
Hart | McBride | Shamet
Brunson | Payne | Kolek

Brunson - Hart - Anunoby - Towns - Robinson
Payne - McBride - Washington - Gafford

[Skybox]

ORL sends: KCP
DAL sends: Gafford and Hardy

KCP is a lockdown defender-among the best I've seen...His shot's been off so far, but he's got a decade of excellent 3pt shooting. He's a solid tough vet with championship experience and poise. KCP is a long strong 6'5, so he can definitely hang with 3's

ORL could really use Gafford to platoon with Goga as defensive-minded Centers with Moe Wagner out for the year and WCJ unreliable lately. It would be somewhat contingent on ORL making another deal for a backcourt playmaker to better complement Suggs, who really is KCP's twin more than a complementary backcourt partner. KCP's defense is awesome, but Anthony Black's size and defensive skill makes KCP's loss palatable. Not crazy for Hardy, but ORL would be wise to look at a young bucket-getter to match salary.

[daoneandonly]

I dont think NY would consider any of these given the price they paid for Mikal, but as a Mavs fan I'd consider the 2 bolded ones. Dallas can ill afford to lose PJ as he's so crucial to their D; when his O is on, they're formidable, and he's a team leader and sets the tone.

Yeah I don't think our FO goes for any of those options even if we're getting picks as well; was mostly just a thought exercise about values & fits. The Gafford/PJ for Mikal/Precious premise felt worth exploring, so I tried scaling it up and down to see what the variants could look like.

Thinking more about the Bridges/Achiuwa for PJ/Gafford option does make me think it could actually benefit both teams, though I don't think either would go for it, and neither of us would like it.

DAL
Lively | Achiuwa | Powell
Doncic | Kleber | Morris
Bridges | Marshall | Prosper
Thompson | Grimes | Hardy
Irving | Dinwiddie | Exum

Irving - Thompson - Bridges - Doncic - Lively
Dinwiddie - Grimes - Marshall - Kleber - Achiuwa

NYK
Robinson | Gafford | Sims | Hukporti
Towns | Washington | Dadiet | Okeke
Anunoby |
Hart | McBride | Shamet
Brunson | Payne | Kolek

Brunson - Hart - Anunoby - Towns - Robinson
Payne - McBride - Washington - Gafford

Definitely be a no for the Mavs. Achiuwa doesn't have any value. PJ is essential to the Mavs and Klay can never play the 4. Gaff should only be traded for the right piece since Lively has availability concerns. Just can't lose both for just Mikal.

Interestingly though, I wish there were a sensible 3 way where Dallas trades Gaff to team x, team x sends a Pg to minn,and Dallas gets the other Nova guard Divencenzo

[scottyg]

Something built around Pat Williams and Torey Craig from Chicago ?

[mademan]

ORL sends: KCP
DAL sends: Gafford and Hardy

KCP is a lockdown defender-among the best I've seen...His shot's been off so far, but he's got a decade of excellent 3pt shooting. He's a solid tough vet with championship experience and poise. KCP is a long strong 6'5, so he can definitely hang with 3's

ORL could really use Gafford to platoon with Goga as defensive-minded Centers with Moe Wagner out for the year and WCJ unreliable lately. It would be somewhat contingent on ORL making another deal for a backcourt playmaker to better complement Suggs, who really is KCP's twin more than a complementary backcourt partner. KCP's defense is awesome, but Anthony Black's size and defensive skill makes KCP's loss palatable. Not crazy for Hardy, but ORL would be wise to look at a young bucket-getter to match salary.

KCP just isnt big enough. Grimes and Naji have been fine as POA defenders. Dallas needs a big wing defender besides PJ. Someone who can take up space, guard big forwards and be another secondary deterrent at the rim. Someone like Isaac

[Skybox]

ORL sends: KCP
DAL sends: Gafford and Hardy

KCP is a lockdown defender-among the best I've seen...His shot's been off so far, but he's got a decade of excellent 3pt shooting. He's a solid tough vet with championship experience and poise. KCP is a long strong 6'5, so he can definitely hang with 3's

ORL could really use Gafford to platoon with Goga as defensive-minded Centers with Moe Wagner out for the year and WCJ unreliable lately. It would be somewhat contingent on ORL making another deal for a backcourt playmaker to better complement Suggs, who really is KCP's twin more than a complementary backcourt partner. KCP's defense is awesome, but Anthony Black's size and defensive skill makes KCP's loss palatable. Not crazy for Hardy, but ORL would be wise to look at a young bucket-getter to match salary.

KCP just isnt big enough. Grimes and Naji have been fine as POA defenders. Dallas needs a big wing defender besides PJ. Someone who can take up space, guard big forwards and be another secondary deterrent at the rim. Someone like Isaac

Love to do some kind of 3-team deal where you get Isaac, we get Sexton or Simons, and the tanker gets picks, etc

That'd be about a perfect Trade Deadline for ORL, imo

I'm crazy about Isaac and will defend his value to the end, especially with his new deal that drops from $25m to $15 for a few years without any fully guaranteed years, in light of his injury history...Can't pretend the cloud isn't over him, but, even in limited minutes, I think he's the best, most versatile, impactful defender in the league...he can switch like nobody else and defend from perimeter to rim at an elite level. The ONLY thing between him and annual DPOY consideration is the minutes restrictions. I watch him and I can see all that he affects every minute on the floor. ORL is just overloaded with defenders and needs to rebalance their roster. Gafford isn't really critical, but I think he's the right type for ORL at Center, given how strong our forwards are offensively. Goga is great, but I'd like two of them.

Isaac for Gafford & Hardy seems to work?

[R-DAWG]

Yeah I don't think our FO goes for any of those options even if we're getting picks as well; was mostly just a thought exercise about values & fits. The Gafford/PJ for Mikal/Precious premise felt worth exploring, so I tried scaling it up and down to see what the variants could look like.

Thinking more about the Bridges/Achiuwa for PJ/Gafford option does make me think it could actually benefit both teams, though I don't think either would go for it, and neither of us would like it.

DAL
Lively | Achiuwa | Powell
Doncic | Kleber | Morris
Bridges | Marshall | Prosper
Thompson | Grimes | Hardy
Irving | Dinwiddie | Exum

Irving - Thompson - Bridges - Doncic - Lively
Dinwiddie - Grimes - Marshall - Kleber - Achiuwa

NYK
Robinson | Gafford | Sims | Hukporti
Towns | Washington | Dadiet | Okeke
Anunoby |
Hart | McBride | Shamet
Brunson | Payne | Kolek

Brunson - Hart - Anunoby - Towns - Robinson
Payne - McBride - Washington - Gafford

Definitely be a no for the Mavs. Achiuwa doesn't have any value. PJ is essential to the Mavs and Klay can never play the 4. Gaff should only be traded for the right piece since Lively has availability concerns. Just can't lose both for just Mikal.

Interestingly though, I wish there were a sensible 3 way where Dallas trades Gaff to team x, team x sends a Pg to minn,and Dallas gets the other Nova guard Divencenzo

P.J./Gafford for Anunoby would make more sense IMO. Gives Dallas a bigger defender and a cost controlled option. NY would need at least a 1st heading there way, and Kleber’s money would need to be involved.

Anunoby is a rich man’s P.J. Washington.

[jayjaysee]

ORL sends: KCP
DAL sends: Gafford and Hardy

KCP is a lockdown defender-among the best I've seen...His shot's been off so far, but he's got a decade of excellent 3pt shooting. He's a solid tough vet with championship experience and poise. KCP is a long strong 6'5, so he can definitely hang with 3's

ORL could really use Gafford to platoon with Goga as defensive-minded Centers with Moe Wagner out for the year and WCJ unreliable lately. It would be somewhat contingent on ORL making another deal for a backcourt playmaker to better complement Suggs, who really is KCP's twin more than a complementary backcourt partner. KCP's defense is awesome, but Anthony Black's size and defensive skill makes KCP's loss palatable. Not crazy for Hardy, but ORL would be wise to look at a young bucket-getter to match salary.

KCP just isnt big enough. Grimes and Naji have been fine as POA defenders. Dallas needs a big wing defender besides PJ. Someone who can take up space, guard big forwards and be another secondary deterrent at the rim. Someone like Isaac

Love to do some kind of 3-team deal where you get Isaac, we get Sexton or Simons, and the tanker gets picks, etc

That'd be about a perfect Trade Deadline for ORL, imo

I'm crazy about Isaac and will defend his value to the end, especially with his new deal that drops from $25m to $15 for a few years without any fully guaranteed years, in light of his injury history...Can't pretend the cloud isn't over him, but, even in limited minutes, I think he's the best, most versatile, impactful defender in the league...he can switch like nobody else and defend from perimeter to rim at an elite level. The ONLY thing between him and annual DPOY consideration is the minutes restrictions. I watch him and I can see all that he affects every minute on the floor. ORL is just overloaded with defenders and needs to rebalance their roster. Gafford isn't really critical, but I think he's the right type for ORL at Center, given how strong our forwards are offensively. Goga is great, but I'd like two of them.

As a fan of Isaac, it’s sad to want to turn trading for him down.. On a much smaller scale (poor man’s scale), Dallas knows the feeling with our Maxi, though a poor man’s version obviously..

Salary wise would have to be Gafford and Maxi to be close to legal. Probably trying for a three team deal with Klay/Maxi. And owing vslue.

But I’d love if Dallas took the risk. Just don’t think they would.