Boucher/Bruce B to Denver

[realball]

Is Boucher and a half season rental of Bruce B worth the nuggets last tradable pick? A first at that

What else are they going to use that pick for? It's not like the Nuggets can just trade for a star. They need players who can actually play, and they need to dump Naji.

Maybe the Wiz or the Bulls give them a more long-term contract, but I can't see a first apron team like the Nuggets looking forward to taking on more long-term salary.

[GatherStepGuru]

Is Boucher and a half season rental of Bruce B worth the nuggets last tradable pick? A first at that

What else are they going to use that pick for? It's not like the Nuggets can just trade for a star. They need players who can actually play, and they need to dump Naji.

Maybe the Wiz or the Bulls give them a more long-term contract, but I can't see a first apron team like the Nuggets looking forward to taking on more long-term salary.

I look at future unprotected firsts as assets to get a starting level player. I see Boucher as Bruce B depth, but not that. Bruce B of ‘25 isn’t the Bruce B of ‘22-‘23.

[ejftw]

Denver shouldn't consider this, but, as a fan of a Western team, I hope that they do. I also don't see Brown agreeing to a buy out to sign with Denver. I could see him verbally saying it but, then, reneging and signing elsewhere if waived.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

That was a long time ago. There's a risk the league blows up the deal. There's a risk the Raptors waive another player and trade Brown to another team. There's a risk Brown signs elsewhere. That's a lot of risk with an unprotected first attached to it.

Theres definitely risks involved. One thing that works in their favor is masai's former connection to the denver organization, but i agree with other teams fans that this is too risky for Denver.

I'd actually think that past relationship would hurt them if the league starts asking questions. If there is 1 team in the league he might be willing to do a wink/wink agreement with that could circumvent the CBA it would be Denver based on his past employment there.

Or he just liked his previous time in Denver?

[realball]

Is Boucher and a half season rental of Bruce B worth the nuggets last tradable pick? A first at that

What else are they going to use that pick for? It's not like the Nuggets can just trade for a star. They need players who can actually play, and they need to dump Naji.

Maybe the Wiz or the Bulls give them a more long-term contract, but I can't see a first apron team like the Nuggets looking forward to taking on more long-term salary.

I look at future unprotected firsts as assets to get a starting level player. I see Boucher as Bruce B depth, but not that. Bruce B of ‘25 isn’t the Bruce B of ‘22-‘23.

Like who? A starter is worth multiple 1sts these days. And this 1st is far away, from team that has one of the best players of all time. The Nuggets will not land a starting caliber player with their pick.

Besides, 1) the Nuggets don't have the matching contracts to add a starter, and 2) their starting lineup is already set with Murray/Braun/Porter/Gordon/Jokic. What they really need are a couple NBA-caliber players off the bench aside from Westbrook.

[Wigginstime]

What else are they going to use that pick for? It's not like the Nuggets can just trade for a star. They need players who can actually play, and they need to dump Naji.

Maybe the Wiz or the Bulls give them a more long-term contract, but I can't see a first apron team like the Nuggets looking forward to taking on more long-term salary.

I look at future unprotected firsts as assets to get a starting level player. I see Boucher as Bruce B depth, but not that. Bruce B of ‘25 isn’t the Bruce B of ‘22-‘23.

Like who? A starter is worth multiple 1sts these days. And this 1st is far away, from team that has one of the best players of all time. The Nuggets will not land a starting caliber player with their pick.

Besides, 1) the Nuggets don't have the matching contracts to add a starter, and 2) their starting lineup is already set with Murray/Braun/Porter/Gordon/Jokic. What they really need are a couple NBA-caliber players off the bench aside from Westbrook.

Their seems to be very different perspectives regarding what is the primary need for Denver

1. Scorer who can create their own shot and isn't reliant on Jokic
The on/off court numbers for Jokic are staggering. Many fans question if this is a personnel issue or a coaching issue; regardless, when Jokic is on the bench Denver doesn't know how to score. Murray, MPJ, and Gordon, specifically, all see significant drop offs in offensive production when not playing with Jokic. The thought here is for Denver to trade MPJ + 1st and try and get someone like Lavine who can create their own shot.

2. Bench Depth
Denver overall drastically lacks bench depth. Westbrook has been a surprise; however, the rest of the Nuggets bench leaves a lot to be desired. Saric and Nnaji specifically were terrible signings and the primary backup C for the nuggets is an immobile 36 year old DeAndre Jordan. Strawther is extremely inconsistent and becomes non-value added when his 3pt shot isn't falling. Peyton Watson's shooting has improved but he is completely unable to create his own shot.

Question for Denver - try and use the 1st to get someone who can create their own shot or try to improve bench depth.

[nomansland]

That was a long time ago. There's a risk the league blows up the deal. There's a risk the Raptors waive another player and trade Brown to another team. There's a risk Brown signs elsewhere. That's a lot of risk with an unprotected first attached to it.

Theres definitely risks involved. One thing that works in their favor is masai's former connection to the denver organization, but i agree with other teams fans that this is too risky for Denver.

I'd actually think that past relationship would hurt them if the league starts asking questions. If there is 1 team in the league he might be willing to do a wink/wink agreement with that could circumvent the CBA it would be Denver based on his past employment there.

Well, the Raptors would have to act independently and do whatever they're gonna do. Brown could ask them to cut him, but beyond that they're not going to do anything risky by colluding with Denver. That would be stupid. But if they cut him, what's the league gonna say?

Then with whatever cap space they have, the Nuggets can pay him. Maybe he gets a slightly better offer but from there, the league's not going to say anything, nor can they really. Dude just likes playing in Denver, he knows the team, and he has a shot at a championship again. Pretty simple.

[nomansland]

Is Boucher and a half season rental of Bruce B worth the nuggets last tradable pick? A first at that

What else are they going to use that pick for? It's not like the Nuggets can just trade for a star. They need players who can actually play, and they need to dump Naji.

Maybe the Wiz or the Bulls give them a more long-term contract, but I can't see a first apron team like the Nuggets looking forward to taking on more long-term salary.

2031 is a long way away. It's not much about what they can get right now, it's more that a lot can unfold over the next 6 years and they should probably be careful with the pick given that they've already traded away so much.

I mean, Jokic could retire at age 35 and suddenly that's a lottery pick.

[TGM]

I actually wouldn't be shocked if MPJ gets dealt. Denver has a lot of committed salaries on their starting 5 and with Jokic and Murray's max fully kicking in, can't seem them have MPJ and Gordon. They will struggle to extend guys like Braun and Watson. Both will easily command 10 plus a season. Wing is where they are strong, hence moving MPJ. Their wings are also better defenders.

Moving MPJ for a package of Brown, Boucher and Davion might seem like a crap return, but MPJs salary isn't exactly cheap and I feel the Nuggets are still a strong team without him. Maybe Toronto needs to include a young player like Dick or Jakobe.

Does either side bite?