Bulls - Heat - Suns - Another Butler Trade

[HomoSapien]

Who says no here?:

Bulls Trade: LaVine & Vucevic
Bulls Receive: Beal, Duncan Robinson, + Suns 3 new first-round picks

Suns Trade: Beal + 3 picks
Suns Receive: Jimmy Butler

Heat Trade: Jimmy Butler and Duncan Robinson
Heat Receive: LaVine & Vucevic.

Beal is the absolute worst part of this trade, so I think whoever gets him should get the picks. Miami doesn't want him and Butler's trade market is pretty limited. To walk away with LaVine and Vuc, seems pretty remarkable and gives them a ton of depth and talent heading into the 2nd half of the season.

A simplified version of this would cut out Vuc and Robinson, with 2 picks going to Chicago and 1 to Miami.

[jredsaz]

I don’t think Chicago is receiving all three of those firsts from the Suns for turning Lavine into Beal.

[DanishLakerFan]

Bulls probably say no. But not bad

[HomoSapien]

I don’t think Chicago is receiving all three of those firsts from the Suns for turning Lavine into Beal.

Am I wrong to assume that Phoenix is likely prepared to use all three picks to get Butler? If so, why wouldn't Chicago get those three non-lotto picks. In the version that they're getting three picks, they're also trading Vucevic which I would say is a pretty big return for Miami.

Beal's the worst player in the deal (besides Robinson who is more of a salary facilitator), is the most expensive player, and his no trade-clause that he retains is extremely prohibitive. I think taking him on warrants a minimum of two picks, and frankly I think it would warrant all three.

[jredsaz]

I don’t think Chicago is receiving all three of those firsts from the Suns for turning Lavine into Beal.

Am I wrong to assume that Phoenix is likely prepared to use all three picks to get Butler? If so, why wouldn't Chicago get those three non-lotto picks. In the version that they're getting three picks, they're also trading Vucevic which I would say is a pretty big return for Miami.

Beal's the worst player in the deal (besides Robinson who is more of a salary facilitator), is the most expensive player, and his no trade-clause that he retains is extremely prohibitive. I think taking him on warrants a minimum of two picks, and frankly I think it would warrant all three.

Maybe you’re right but I don’t think the Suns broke up the ‘31 first just to turn around and hand them all to Chicago. As far as the proposal, I hope the Suns can make a different Butler deal. If this is the deal, I’d like to see Burks and some second round draft capital included.

[Crives]

I don’t think Chicago is receiving all three of those firsts from the Suns for turning Lavine into Beal.

Am I wrong to assume that Phoenix is likely prepared to use all three picks to get Butler? If so, why wouldn't Chicago get those three non-lotto picks. In the version that they're getting three picks, they're also trading Vucevic which I would say is a pretty big return for Miami.

Beal's the worst player in the deal (besides Robinson who is more of a salary facilitator), is the most expensive player, and his no trade-clause that he retains is extremely prohibitive. I think taking him on warrants a minimum of two picks, and frankly I think it would warrant all three.

Doubt it. Likely want to trade nurkic as well with a first

[_GH0ST_]

We love our Ware. I don't think we'd be interested in Lavine either. Pass.

[VaDe255]

that would be a no

Make it Vuc/Ball + FRP going to the Heat (only Jimmy goes out, not Duncan) and it would be closer to a deal

[Daddy 801]

Beal says no probably. Apparently wants to play on a good team. I mean kudos to him for actually caring when it seems like some guys don’t care.

[jayjaysee]

Think Beal might say yes to Chicago if they keep LaVine or Vooch and continue their pretend win now. Maybe it’s just LaVine based.. That to me seems the most likely, having found a way to get two firsts for LaVine is a win.. even if you’re stuck with a Beal and they’re almost guaranteed late firsts..

But maybe it’s Vuc/Coby/Williams and Chicago gets two of the firsts and whatever value Coby has to a fourth team? Need a follow up deal for another rotation big, but there’s plenty on the market

All seems unlikely. But do think Miami deserves the very late, very little value 2025 first just so they can say they got a first.

[ChettheJet]

Before this goes through give the Bulls enough time to take I-94 up to Milwaukee and see of they want to take Beal and what they can send back south on the tollway. No way the Bulls want to upgrade from a $43M nearly untradable guy to an even bigger contract with a no trade clause, not for 3 who knows where picks. But if they can reroute Beal then maybe there's a chance.

The most unlikely part of this is the Bulls being able to move Lavine and Vucevic in the same trade. It could be done but needs more teams

[BBallFreak]

I don't see why Miami would accept this. LaVine is exactly what we don't want - a long contract. And what's the upside? He lives in the same space as Herro (their games are quite similar) and hasn't exactly led teams on deep playoff runs, so I don't get why we'd do it.

[HomoSapien]

I don't see why Miami would accept this. LaVine is exactly what we don't want - a long contract. And what's the upside? He lives in the same space as Herro (their games are quite similar) and hasn't exactly led teams on deep playoff runs, so I don't get why we'd do it.

Well, you're doing it for the following reasons:

1.) Zach Lavine is better than Bradley Beal.
2.) You are also getting Vucevic, who is also having a hell of a season. The two of them combined give this group a better chance to stay competitive than anything I've seen proposed in a Butler trade.

As for Zach, the guy hasn't been on a single good team. He gets blamed frequently, but he has had the bad luck of being on poorly constructed teams that are constantly in flux. He's honestly the definition of "Heat culture " and I have no doubt that he would thrive in Miami.

[BBallFreak]

I don't see why Miami would accept this. LaVine is exactly what we don't want - a long contract. And what's the upside? He lives in the same space as Herro (their games are quite similar) and hasn't exactly led teams on deep playoff runs, so I don't get why we'd do it.

Well, you're doing it for the following reasons:

1.) Zach Lavine is better than Bradley Beal.

We're not changing our plans for 2026 based on a guy being better than Beal. That's a terrible way to do business.

2.) You are also getting Vucevic, who is also having a hell of a season. The two of them combined give this group a better chance to stay competitive than anything I've seen proposed in a Butler trade.

So, he's going to come to Miami and play the same position as Bam and our fantastic young center? We're already shifting Bam out of position, trying to make him a power forward because Ware is just that good, but now you want us to hinder Ware's development for Vuc? And that's not even getting into Jovic and his stellar play recently. It's overkill. We need a fourth big, not another guy who needs starter's minutes.

As for Zach, the guy hasn't been on a single good team. He gets blamed frequently, but he has had the bad luck of being on poorly constructed teams that are constantly in flux. He's honestly the definition of "Heat culture " and I have no doubt that he would thrive in Miami.

So you think the way to fix LaVine is to move him to a well-constructed team? Great! Shouldn't that mean he goes to a team that wants to use him at his natural position? A team that doesn't have three starting caliber centers but no point guard? We're not a well constructed team after this, and we're not acquiring LaVine just so we can trade Herro to fix it, This just isn't a logical deal for us.

[SA37]

I don’t think Chicago is receiving all three of those firsts from the Suns for turning Lavine into Beal.

Am I wrong to assume that Phoenix is likely prepared to use all three picks to get Butler? If so, why wouldn't Chicago get those three non-lotto picks. In the version that they're getting three picks, they're also trading Vucevic which I would say is a pretty big return for Miami.

Beal's the worst player in the deal (besides Robinson who is more of a salary facilitator), is the most expensive player, and his no trade-clause that he retains is extremely prohibitive. I think taking him on warrants a minimum of two picks, and frankly I think it would warrant all three.

I like Vucevic, but I am not sure Miami wants to play big ball. Lavine is Bradley Beal light, imo. Obscene contract and redundant with Herro. Herro-Lavine would not be better than Lillard-McCollum, Wall-Beal, or Curry-Thompson before them.

Chicago is smart to try to trade Vucevic and, especially Lavine, while they're having very good seasons. But I think Miami would only consider a deal with Chicago for something like Vucevic, Dosmonu, and maybe Ball for cap relief. And even then Miami would still need some draft capital.

[BBallFreak]

I don’t think Chicago is receiving all three of those firsts from the Suns for turning Lavine into Beal.

Am I wrong to assume that Phoenix is likely prepared to use all three picks to get Butler? If so, why wouldn't Chicago get those three non-lotto picks. In the version that they're getting three picks, they're also trading Vucevic which I would say is a pretty big return for Miami.

Beal's the worst player in the deal (besides Robinson who is more of a salary facilitator), is the most expensive player, and his no trade-clause that he retains is extremely prohibitive. I think taking him on warrants a minimum of two picks, and frankly I think it would warrant all three.

I like Vucevic, but I am not sure Miami wants to play big ball. Lavine is Bradley Beal light, imo. Obscene contract and redundant with Herro. Herro-Lavine would not be better than Lillard-McCollum, Wall-Beal, or Curry-Thompson before them.

Agreed, and they're ill fitting. It would be an awkward combination because they don't compliment each other at all.

Chicago is smart to try to trade Vucevic and, especially Lavine, while they're having very good seasons. But I think Miami would only consider a deal with Chicago for something like Vucevic, Dosmonu, and maybe Ball for cap relief. And even then Miami would still need some draft capital.

Agreed. Vuc just isn't really needed here. Not with Bam, Ware, and Jovic. He's a great player not his value is wasted on us. Best to flip him to a third team that actually needs him. LaVine just isn't the guy for us.