Cavs/Hawks/Pistons

[oldncreaky]

I have the Hawks as the wrong third team here. I'd want Boucher back from the Raptors in any LeVert trade. Detroit sends the Raptors their second back with expiring filler. Done and dusted.

Are you suggesting
TOR out: Boucher
TOR in: expiring filler, 2025 TOR SRP

IMO that should be a lightning fast "yes" from Toronto as long as the expiring filler was less than $16-18M and used up only 1 or 2 roster spots

Can you provide more detail about what you are thinking if it was CLE-DET-TOR ?

I mean the Pistons only need to send out $4M in filler to take back LeVert? It seems pretty inconsequential what that filler is.

Agree.

Gotta be honest: if TOR can get a second and cut salary for Boucher that's pretty generous. For DET, I'd probably negotiate to send a worse SRP, but that's minor.

From my post #17 above itt

DET has $14M in cap space, not the $16.5M needed for Lavert. DET needs to send out $2.5M to make it legal (per spotrac). Either Moore or Sasser fit and are enough.

CLE in: Boucher
CLE out: Lavert

DET in: Lavert
DET out: Sasser, 2025 SRP

TOR in: Sasser, 2025 SRP
TOR out: Boucher

Tried it in spotrac, and on a CLE-DET-TOR deal, DET has to send out Sasser. If DET also adds Moore, it's whatever for both DET and TOR

[mcfly1204]

How attached is Detroit to Stewart/what's the delta of a LeVert for Stewart swap?

[jbk1234]

How attached is Detroit to Stewart/what's the delta of a LeVert for Stewart swap?

Stewart makes a lot of money for a guy you probably can't play with Allen. You make that trade and I don't think you can afford to bring back Ty next summer.

[oldncreaky]

How attached is Detroit to Stewart/what's the delta of a LeVert for Stewart swap?

Stewart makes a lot of money for a guy you probably can't play with Allen. You make that trade and I don't think you can afford to bring back Ty next summer.

And DET is very attached to Stewart. We are offering to take contract dumps, not send out young rotation players

[jbk1234]

How attached is Detroit to Stewart/what's the delta of a LeVert for Stewart swap?

Stewart makes a lot of money for a guy you probably can't play with Allen. You make that trade and I don't think you can afford to bring back Ty next summer.

And DET is very attached to Stewart. We are offering to take contract dumps, not send out young rotation players

A $15M per backup center is a luxury you can afford when your starting center is still on a rookie contract. Less so when you're paying Allen and Mobley $60M.

[mcfly1204]

Stewart makes a lot of money for a guy you probably can't play with Allen. You make that trade and I don't think you can afford to bring back Ty next summer.

And DET is very attached to Stewart. We are offering to take contract dumps, not send out young rotation players

A $15M per backup center is a luxury you can afford when your starting center is still on a rookie contract. Less so when you're paying Allen and Mobley $60M.

The Cavs are going to be paying Garland and Mitchell nearly $90M next season, does that mean they should be limited to guards earning an exception or minimum deal off the bench?

[jbk1234]

And DET is very attached to Stewart. We are offering to take contract dumps, not send out young rotation players

A $15M per backup center is a luxury you can afford when your starting center is still on a rookie contract. Less so when you're paying Allen and Mobley $60M.

The Cavs are going to be paying Garland and Mitchell nearly $90M next season, does that mean they should be limited to guards earning an exception or minimum deal off the bench?

The aprons will eventually do that for you if you're not careful about what you pay your bench guys. If Stewart could shoot, like at all, you could make him part of a three big rotation and maybe justify it. He can't though. He's strictly a center. You still need Wade to play backup PF after this trade.

[toooskies]

A $15M per backup center is a luxury you can afford when your starting center is still on a rookie contract. Less so when you're paying Allen and Mobley $60M.

The Cavs are going to be paying Garland and Mitchell nearly $90M next season, does that mean they should be limited to guards earning an exception or minimum deal off the bench?

The aprons will eventually do that for you're not careful about what you pay your bench guys. If Stewart could shoot, like at all, you could make him part of a three big rotation and maybe justify it. He can't though. He's strictly a center. You still need Wade to play backup PF after this trade.

Stewart was a pretty good shooter last year. Not sure why he decided to stop taking them.

[jbk1234]

The Cavs are going to be paying Garland and Mitchell nearly $90M next season, does that mean they should be limited to guards earning an exception or minimum deal off the bench?

The aprons will eventually do that for you're not careful about what you pay your bench guys. If Stewart could shoot, like at all, you could make him part of a three big rotation and maybe justify it. He can't though. He's strictly a center. You still need Wade to play backup PF after this trade.

Stewart was a pretty good shooter last year. Not sure why he decided to stop taking them.

I'm guessing that 38% on less than 4 attempts didn't create enough gravity without the ability to put the ball on the floor. Pistons fans would know better than me, but I think they really limit his minutes with Duran now. He's only got 3 starts this season (compared with 45 last year).

[Snakebites]

The aprons will eventually do that for you're not careful about what you pay your bench guys. If Stewart could shoot, like at all, you could make him part of a three big rotation and maybe justify it. He can't though. He's strictly a center. You still need Wade to play backup PF after this trade.

Stewart was a pretty good shooter last year. Not sure why he decided to stop taking them.

I'm guessing that 38% on less than 4 attempts didn't create enough gravity without the ability to put the ball on the floor. Pistons fans would know better than me, but I think they really limit his minutes with Duran now. He's only got 3 starts this season (compared with 45 last year).

He had absolutely no gravity last year. They knew they could leave him alone completely and it was well worth the cost of one or two wide open threes to absolutely trash our spacing.

He's a center this year and has focused on rim protection and every Piston fan will agree that he's a much more positive impact player this year.

[dms269]

No, it should not. We’re not paying a first of any kind for Caris. We’re in no position to do that.

Why would anyone give Lavert for Fontechino and a 2nd. Lavert at least gets 4 2nds on the open market. Fontecchio and a 2nd gets you Niang. Regardless, more value needs to be coming from the Pistons in Op suggestion. Probably 4 2nds from Detroit and 1 2nd from Cleveland and Detroit keeps Fontecchio.

Detroit: 4 2nds
Detroit: Lavert

Cleveland: Lavert, Niang, and a 2nd
Cleveland: Hunter

Atlanta: Hunter
Atlanta: Niang and 5 2nds

Atlanta definetly asks to he swapped out of this deal if that is there return.

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[tmorgan]

I continue to be amused by “Stewart makes too much money for a backup, Stewart can’t shoot, is Stewart even good?” In various threads, followed by “Here’s an offer for Stewart”.

The guy is easily the most talked about Piston on the trade board. Everybody seems to want his sucky, overpaid, unskilled carcass.

[cgf]

I really like this concept. Get why Cavs may worry about paying a pick that far away for Hunter, as he's been a really let down in his career so far...a guy who looked the part of an elite 3&D wing, who wasn't actually a particularly good defender or shooter...but this season he's just been killing it off the bench, so should be a straight upgrade on LeVert.

I can also get Atlanta not wanting to move him until Rissacher is readier to contribute, but I do think they'd be smart to sell high in case this is just a career year. Wonder if this could be tweaked to send Sasser to Atlanta to back Trae up?

[mcfly1204]

I really like this concept. Get why Cavs may worry about paying a pick that far away for Hunter, as he's been a really let down in his career so far...a guy who looked the part of an elite 3&D wing, who wasn't actually a particularly good defender or shooter...but this season he's just been killing it off the bench, so should be a straight upgrade on LeVert.

I can also get Atlanta not wanting to move him until Rissacher is readier to contribute, but I do think they'd be smart to sell high in case this is just a career year. Wonder if this could be tweaked to send Sasser to Atlanta to back Trae up?

With Hunter, was the start of the season more of a fluke, or has he just been in a shooting slump this month? History would lean towards the former, so there is a healthy amount of risk when you're on the hook for $23+ the next couple of seasons.

[zeebneeb]

I continue to be amused by “Stewart makes too much money for a backup, Stewart can’t shoot, is Stewart even good?” In various threads, followed by “Here’s an offer for Stewart”.

The guy is easily the most talked about Piston on the trade board. Everybody seems to want his sucky, overpaid, unskilled carcass.

Stewarts defense at the rim, is the best in the league, and a full two points higher then VW, who is in second place.

Stewart has really become a wall, and feared defender, who can guard 1-5. His value is only going to skyrocket.

[jbk1234]

I continue to be amused by “Stewart makes too much money for a backup, Stewart can’t shoot, is Stewart even good?” In various threads, followed by “Here’s an offer for Stewart”.

The guy is easily the most talked about Piston on the trade board. Everybody seems to want his sucky, overpaid, unskilled carcass.

That seems like a pretty unfair characterization of the discussion that's occurred in this thread. The reality is that $15M is a lot of money for a backup center. That will be a bigger issue for some teams than others. Given his limited offensive skill set, Stewart doesn't shoot enough from 3 to space the floor and the Pistons are playing much better with him in the backup center role.

[tmorgan]

I continue to be amused by “Stewart makes too much money for a backup, Stewart can’t shoot, is Stewart even good?” In various threads, followed by “Here’s an offer for Stewart”.

The guy is easily the most talked about Piston on the trade board. Everybody seems to want his sucky, overpaid, unskilled carcass.

That seems like a pretty unfair characterization of the discussion that's occurred in this thread. The reality is that $15M is a lot of money for a backup center. That will be a bigger issue for some teams than others. Given his limited offensive skill set, Stewart doesn't shoot enough from 3 to space the floor and the Pistons are playing much better with him in the backup center role.

Two things:

One, it’s not just *this* thread, as I very specifically said above. This is happening over and over. People talking down Stewart while wondering about his availability.

Two, Stewart is a “backup” center in a very loose sense on the Pistons, but has been a starter pretty much his whole career until now. It speaks to his priorities that he doesn’t care about the starting. He got a solid contract, he’s doing whatever the team asks.

Which is… playing mostly center, 21 mpg, closing a lot of games. Best block rate of his career. Incredible rim protection numbers. Best assist rate of his career. Lowest turnover rate of his career. He’s not shooting threes now (rate down 70%), I assume by JBB’s design, and he hasn’t shot them well, but it’s a known skill he has.

I’m pretty sure Detroit isn’t trading Stewart. But if they are, these “overpaid backup” narratives and offers need to stop.