Vuc Deals

[pipfan]

He's having his best year in four years. He's a consistent scorer, rebounder who plays nightly, sets good screens and is a good passer. But, he's bad on D (better this year than others, but still bad) and getting old. His contract is fair and expires in '26.

Which of these deals for Vuc (and sometimes Craig) make sense for the other teams?

Bulls looking to get some positive asset, clear some $ for next year and lose more games (great time to be a Bulls' fan!)

Atl-Capela and worse of Sac/LAL picks for Vuc/Port pick
Hawks get a better center who can play with Okongwu some

LAL-(with Clips) Vuc to LAL, Rui to Clips, Tucker (buyout), Coffey, Hayes to Bulls, along with Lakers giving Bulls an unprotected 2026 1st swap (HIGHLY doubtful that it converts, but you never know)

Miami-Vuc for Robinson, Jovic
Miami can play Bam at the 4 and go bigger

GS-Vuc plus Port pick for Looney/GP2/GS top 12 protected 2025 1st
GS could use a guy like him in the middle

SA-Vuc and Port pick for Collins/Bulls' pick back
SA could play Wemby/Vuc together a bit, and they should try for the playoffs this year

Orl-Vuc, Craig and White for Isaac/Wagner/Howard/Den 1st
Vuc fits their financial timeline and would help them score. White is a perfect 6th man for them

So, which ones seem like good ideas for the other team?

[BBallFreak]

Makes no sense for Miami. Why would we give up Jovic to impede Kel'el Ware's development? Are we really going to give up value for a position we don't need? Not to mention, losing the gravity that Robinson creates?

If Ware weren't showing out right now, and looked more like a long-term development project, then maybe, but not with the way he's playing.

[nykballa2k4]

Makes no sense for Miami. Why would we give up Jovic to impede Kel'el Ware's development? Are we really going to give up value for a position we don't need? Not to mention, losing the gravity that Robinson creates?

If Ware weren't showing out right now, and looked more like a long-term development project, then maybe, but not with the way he's playing.

It's not a bad concept, it is a bad fit because Robinson has a purpose on the team. Adding Vuc would not really do anything adverse to Ware. Maybe if anything protect him a bit. It would be reasonable to do a 3 big rotation
C: Vuc(30)Ware(18)
PF Bam(36) Ware(12)

Still it's fixing a problem that wasn't really there and it's creating a new problem without offering a solution.

[NW]

Besides the Lakers/Clippers deal, I don't see the other teams doing these trades

[BBallFreak]

Makes no sense for Miami. Why would we give up Jovic to impede Kel'el Ware's development? Are we really going to give up value for a position we don't need? Not to mention, losing the gravity that Robinson creates?

If Ware weren't showing out right now, and looked more like a long-term development project, then maybe, but not with the way he's playing.

It's not a bad concept, it is a bad fit because Robinson has a purpose on the team. Adding Vuc would not really do anything adverse to Ware. Maybe if anything protect him a bit. It would be reasonable to do a 3 big rotation
C: Vuc(30)Ware(18)
PF Bam(36) Ware(12)

Still it's fixing a problem that wasn't really there and it's creating a new problem without offering a solution.

Putting Ware at power forward isn't protecting him. It's not his natural position. We literally can do exactly the same thing, now. Bam is a pretty capable center, with Jovic playing 30 minutes a night, and we have Kevin Love as an insurance policy.

Cc: Ware (32) / Bam (16)
Pf: Bam (18) / Jovic (30)

[nykballa2k4]

Makes no sense for Miami. Why would we give up Jovic to impede Kel'el Ware's development? Are we really going to give up value for a position we don't need? Not to mention, losing the gravity that Robinson creates?

If Ware weren't showing out right now, and looked more like a long-term development project, then maybe, but not with the way he's playing.

It's not a bad concept, it is a bad fit because Robinson has a purpose on the team. Adding Vuc would not really do anything adverse to Ware. Maybe if anything protect him a bit. It would be reasonable to do a 3 big rotation
C: Vuc(30)Ware(18)
PF Bam(36) Ware(12)

Still it's fixing a problem that wasn't really there and it's creating a new problem without offering a solution.

Putting Ware at power forward isn't protecting him. It's not his natural position. We literally can do exactly the same thing, now. Bam is a pretty capable center, with Jovic playing 30 minutes a night, and we have Kevin Love as an insurance policy.

Cc: Ware (32) / Bam (16)
Pf: Bam (18) / Jovic (30)

It's protecting him in that it takes some element of reliance off his plate.

You guys are spoiled. Your coach actually lets your kids play through some mistakes and believes in depth. Our coach acts like every day is game 7
Because of that, having the option of Vuc there means if Ware is hitting a wall and needs a minute cut to catch his legs, it's more affordable for the team.

Again, I still feel like it's an excess rather than filling a need. Better use of similar assets would be Rozier, Robinson, Jovic for CJ McCollum, Hawkins (to replace shooting) and cap filler.

[BBallFreak]

It's not a bad concept, it is a bad fit because Robinson has a purpose on the team. Adding Vuc would not really do anything adverse to Ware. Maybe if anything protect him a bit. It would be reasonable to do a 3 big rotation
C: Vuc(30)Ware(18)
PF Bam(36) Ware(12)

Still it's fixing a problem that wasn't really there and it's creating a new problem without offering a solution.

Putting Ware at power forward isn't protecting him. It's not his natural position. We literally can do exactly the same thing, now. Bam is a pretty capable center, with Jovic playing 30 minutes a night, and we have Kevin Love as an insurance policy.

Cc: Ware (32) / Bam (16)
Pf: Bam (18) / Jovic (30)

It's protecting him in that it takes some element of reliance off his plate.

You guys are spoiled. Your coach actually lets your kids play through some mistakes and believes in depth. Our coach acts like every day is game 7
Because of that, having the option of Vuc there means if Ware is hitting a wall and needs a minute cut to catch his legs, it's more affordable for the team.

Again, I still feel like it's an excess rather than filling a need. Better use of similar assets would be Rozier, Robinson, Jovic for CJ McCollum, Hawkins (to replace shooting) and cap filler.

That's why we have Kevin Love, who can come in and take 10 to 15 minutes a night. We also have Haywood Highsmith who plays at power forward. No need to make a move like this. It would just be a waste resources.

The trade is interesting but I don't know that I'm giving up Jovic.

[wemby]

Overall most these trades severely overrate Vucevic's trade value. IMO it's 2/3 SRPs + filler at most.

SA-Vuc and Port pick for Collins/Bulls' pick back
SA could play Wemby/Vuc together a bit, and they should try for the playoffs this year

Yeah, not giving that 1st round pick back for Vucevic, even if it may not convey this year. Vucevic is 34 and his fit on defense with Wemby isn't great, plus I don't think Spurs are making win now moves with the playoffs in sight.

[ejftw]

Besides the Lakers/Clippers deal, I don't see the other teams doing these trades

And the Clippers wouldn't do that deal, so back to the drawing board. I mean, taking on an extra 1.5M in the salary this year, not including the LT increase and 18M next....isn't worth whatever upgrade Rui is from Amir.

Even Bones instead adds $1.2M before the LT, but would be more understandable that way for the Clips.

[JB2]

Rui, JHS, LAL 2nd, LAC 2nd for Vuc feel like the right deal for all parties involved. Maybe I'm off but Rui actually provides something of need for Chicago, and on his own is worth a couple 2nds, then they get two 2nds plus a couple month look at JHS.

[pipfan]

Overall most these trades severely overrate Vucevic's trade value. IMO it's 2/3 SRPs + filler at most.

SA-Vuc and Port pick for Collins/Bulls' pick back
SA could play Wemby/Vuc together a bit, and they should try for the playoffs this year

Yeah, not giving that 1st round pick back for Vucevic, even if it may not convey this year. Vucevic is 34 and his fit on defense with Wemby isn't great, plus I don't think Spurs are making win now moves with the playoffs in sight.

But, you do add the Port pick-which could be a #15-18 pick easily in 2017/18

I really think SA could be a surprise playoff team, and win a round. They could just use a little more punch. Could add White for Jones and someone, and let the Bulls keep the Port pick, getting our own back for the double Vuc/Coby upgrade

CP3/White
Vassell/Castle/White
Barnes/Johnson/Vassell
Sochan/Wemby/Barnes
Wemby/Vuc

That could be a dangerous team

[nykballa2k4]

Overall most these trades severely overrate Vucevic's trade value. IMO it's 2/3 SRPs + filler at most.

SA-Vuc and Port pick for Collins/Bulls' pick back
SA could play Wemby/Vuc together a bit, and they should try for the playoffs this year

Yeah, not giving that 1st round pick back for Vucevic, even if it may not convey this year. Vucevic is 34 and his fit on defense with Wemby isn't great, plus I don't think Spurs are making win now moves with the playoffs in sight.

I also think Collins is sneaky good, so there is that piece of it too.

[ChettheJet]

at least you're trying to be realistic instead of blowing up 7 teams

ATL is good, don't see the Hawks wanting to swap the picks while helping CHI with the expiring Capela contract

LAL, when you admit the pick swap is fiction it's just a salary dump only upside is the Bulls get a center in Hayes

MIA forget it, another guard and no question that Robinson opts in and no backup for Smith

Same Looney and Payton but no way GSW gives up a pick, you're giving them exactly what they need top 12 is in the rear view , they play PORT and know they're 10 years away

I doubt SAS see Vuc being able to play with Wemby as worth giving up that pick, even if the Spurs see the Bulls are tanking they just wait a year or two 1-8 to get that pick, at least Collins is tall

The ORL trade is great for the Bulls, though Wagner is out for the year and the Bulls NO backup center. I like Issac maybe he's done with the injuries if so awesome at the 4, have to give White to get, Even if that pick is 24 the Magic completely hosed the Bulls on a Vuc trade they aren't going to go backwards even if they'd still be laughing

[DanishLakerFan]

Lakers should push hard for a Vuc deal with Rui being the main piece going back. Vuc may struggle defensively, but he should be able to play next to AD which can cover up for some.

[KuzControl]

Yeah if Kessler/Turner are off the table, this is where LAL should turn next

[SlimShady83]

Not giving a FRP for Vuc, good player but his 34/5 years old

[SlimShady83]

Yeah if Kessler/Turner are off the table, this is where LAL should turn next

Kessler/Turner/Poeltl/Sharp/Vuc ... I like Vuc but his 34/5 years old and shouldn't be worth a FRP to get him IMO.

[ejftw]

Yeah if Kessler/Turner are off the table, this is where LAL should turn next

Kessler/Turner/Poeltl/Sharp/Vuc ... I like Vuc but his 34/5 years old and shouldn't be worth a FRP to get him IMO.

Good thing it's just a swap next draft then!

I don't think Vuc would fit well, but at this cost, I think the Lakers would have to jump on it. Even if the swap does convey, I can't see it being more than a few spot difference (unless both are in lotto and one jumps of course)