Suns/Blazers sigh its Robert Williams

[Myth]

I think Ayton and Nurkic in the same locker room for a season and a half could become a really unhealthy dynamic for developing young guys on the team. I don’t think the 30th pick is worth that, the extra salary, and 2 not great 2nds.

[Mr Puddles]

Similar trades for Rob Will have been batted around the Suns forum as well. Including more ambitious scenarios with Grant heading to Phoenix and Beal + more trade capital heading to Portland.

I'd prefer the Suns to take this route of adding role players to address weaknesses instead of putting all chips on the table for Butler.

[BlazersBroncos]

It hurts me that Beal + 2 FRP for Simons + Grant is off by like 600K incoming for PHX. And since they can’t aggregate idk how it could be fixed.

If PHX could do that then use Nurkic and the leftover FRP on Vuc.

But the ending roster is pretty ideal for the Suns IMO.

G - Tyus Jones / Anfernee Simons / Monte Morris
G - Devin Booker / Grayson Allen / Anfernee Simons
F - Jerami Grant / Ryan Dunn / Grayson Allen
F - Kevin Durant / Royce O’Neal / Oso Ighodaro
C - Nikola Vucevic / Nick Richards / Mason Plummer

[Apz]

As a last resort on deadline day, this looks okay. I think that it gets outbid by someone like the Mavs with Maxi and FRP(better one) or maybe Mavs, OKC, etc.
But I would not be shocked to see something like this on the WT

Okc maybe. No chance mavs pay a 1st for 3rd center to cover til lively is back, and that center being rwIII that embiid look healthy counters the whole idea. Think they will do with powell, and play some smallball if needed with maxi, morris and pj if needed. Do mavs still have that tall center in the g league btw?

[Myth]

Similar trades for Rob Will have been batted around the Suns forum as well. Including more ambitious scenarios with Grant heading to Phoenix and Beal + more trade capital heading to Portland.

I'd prefer the Suns to take this route of adding role players to address weaknesses instead of putting all chips on the table for Butler.

Even if the Suns gave enough incentive for the Blazers to take on Beal, why would Beal waive his no trade clause to go to Portland?

[Mr Puddles]

Similar trades for Rob Will have been batted around the Suns forum as well. Including more ambitious scenarios with Grant heading to Phoenix and Beal + more trade capital heading to Portland.

I'd prefer the Suns to take this route of adding role players to address weaknesses instead of putting all chips on the table for Butler.

Even if the Suns gave enough incentive for the Blazers to take on Beal, why would Beal waive his no trade clause to go to Portland?

That's a key issue, but basically any Beal trade can be dismissed for that reason.

An incentive that could be part of the trade is that Portland guarantees Beal a starting spot, assuming Beal would rather start for the Blazers than come off the bench for Phoenix.

Beal (50 mil) for Grant + Williams (42mil) and two first rounders works numbers wise I believe. The Suns could potentially use their remaining first round pick from the Utah trade to try and turn Nurkic into a playable back-up PF.

[Myth]

Similar trades for Rob Will have been batted around the Suns forum as well. Including more ambitious scenarios with Grant heading to Phoenix and Beal + more trade capital heading to Portland.

I'd prefer the Suns to take this route of adding role players to address weaknesses instead of putting all chips on the table for Butler.

Even if the Suns gave enough incentive for the Blazers to take on Beal, why would Beal waive his no trade clause to go to Portland?

That's a key issue, but basically any Beal trade can be dismissed for that reason.

An incentive that could be part of the trade is that Portland guarantees Beal a starting spot, assuming Beal would rather start for the Blazers than come off the bench for Phoenix.

Beal (50 mil) for Grant + Williams (42mil) and two first rounders works numbers wise I believe. The Suns could potentially use their remaining first round pick from the Utah trade to try and turn Nurkic into a playable back-up PF.

But why would Portland be willing to guarantee a starting spot when they are trying to develop young guards/wings of their own? Blazers have to be one of the least intriguing places for Beal as they are bad and have multiple players at his positions that the team would value more than him. As a side note, those aren’t particularly interesting 1sts that the Suns have to trade and this puts Portland into the tax. This doesn’t work on multiple levels.

[Mr Puddles]

Even if the Suns gave enough incentive for the Blazers to take on Beal, why would Beal waive his no trade clause to go to Portland?

That's a key issue, but basically any Beal trade can be dismissed for that reason.

An incentive that could be part of the trade is that Portland guarantees Beal a starting spot, assuming Beal would rather start for the Blazers than come off the bench for Phoenix.

Beal (50 mil) for Grant + Williams (42mil) and two first rounders works numbers wise I believe. The Suns could potentially use their remaining first round pick from the Utah trade to try and turn Nurkic into a playable back-up PF.

But why would Portland be willing to guarantee a starting spot when they are trying to develop young guards/wings of their own? Blazers have to be one of the least intriguing places for Beal as they are bad and have multiple players at his positions that the team would value more than him. As a side note, those aren’t particularly interesting 1sts that the Suns have to trade and this puts Portland into the tax. This doesn’t work on multiple levels.

Portland gets rid of Grant's contract, which is longer than Beal's. They could add in another player if they're looking to add more salary to stay under the tax.

Two firsts is plenty of compensation considering that Grant's contract isn't much better than Beal's and Robert Williams has missed more games than he's played through out his career.

I'm also not sure where this plethora of young guard talent is that you speak off. The Blazers are currently playing with three forwards in their starting line-up, Beal would simply get Grants' minutes and Deni and Camara would remain the forwards.

[Myth]

That's a key issue, but basically any Beal trade can be dismissed for that reason.

An incentive that could be part of the trade is that Portland guarantees Beal a starting spot, assuming Beal would rather start for the Blazers than come off the bench for Phoenix.

Beal (50 mil) for Grant + Williams (42mil) and two first rounders works numbers wise I believe. The Suns could potentially use their remaining first round pick from the Utah trade to try and turn Nurkic into a playable back-up PF.

But why would Portland be willing to guarantee a starting spot when they are trying to develop young guards/wings of their own? Blazers have to be one of the least intriguing places for Beal as they are bad and have multiple players at his positions that the team would value more than him. As a side note, those aren’t particularly interesting 1sts that the Suns have to trade and this puts Portland into the tax. This doesn’t work on multiple levels.

Portland gets of off Grant's contract, which is longer than Neal's. They could add in another player if they're looking to add more salary to stay under the tax.

Two firsts is plenty of compensation considering that Grant's contract isn't much better than Beal's and Robert Williams has missed more games than he's played through his career.

I'm also not sure where this plethora of young guard talent is that you speak off. The Blazers are currently playing with three forwards in their starting line-up, Beal would simply get Grants' minutes and Deni and Camara would remain the forwards.

Blazers need to be developing youth, not catering to Beal’s expectations. Most Blazers fans want Scoot and Sharpe playing for development sake, and they still have Simons on the team as it is. Guaranteeing a starting spot and minutes to Beal is bad for the rebuilding process of this team.

[DaVoiceMaster]

That's a key issue, but basically any Beal trade can be dismissed for that reason.

An incentive that could be part of the trade is that Portland guarantees Beal a starting spot, assuming Beal would rather start for the Blazers than come off the bench for Phoenix.

Beal (50 mil) for Grant + Williams (42mil) and two first rounders works numbers wise I believe. The Suns could potentially use their remaining first round pick from the Utah trade to try and turn Nurkic into a playable back-up PF.

But why would Portland be willing to guarantee a starting spot when they are trying to develop young guards/wings of their own? Blazers have to be one of the least intriguing places for Beal as they are bad and have multiple players at his positions that the team would value more than him. As a side note, those aren’t particularly interesting 1sts that the Suns have to trade and this puts Portland into the tax. This doesn’t work on multiple levels.

Portland gets rid of Grant's contract, which is longer than Beal's. They could add in another player if they're looking to add more salary to stay under the tax.

Two firsts is plenty of compensation considering that Grant's contract isn't much better than Beal's and Robert Williams has missed more games than he's played through out his career.

I'm also not sure where this plethora of young guard talent is that you speak off. The Blazers are currently playing with three forwards in their starting line-up, Beal would simply get Grants' minutes and Deni and Camara would remain the forwards.

And Sharpe rides the bench? That's the guy who needs 34-minutes per game at SG. Beal is not coming to Portland. No way he waives his no trade clause for Portland and no way Portland tries to acquire him.

[Mr Puddles]

But why would Portland be willing to guarantee a starting spot when they are trying to develop young guards/wings of their own? Blazers have to be one of the least intriguing places for Beal as they are bad and have multiple players at his positions that the team would value more than him. As a side note, those aren’t particularly interesting 1sts that the Suns have to trade and this puts Portland into the tax. This doesn’t work on multiple levels.

Portland gets rid of Grant's contract, which is longer than Beal's. They could add in another player if they're looking to add more salary to stay under the tax.

Two firsts is plenty of compensation considering that Grant's contract isn't much better than Beal's and Robert Williams has missed more games than he's played through out his career.

I'm also not sure where this plethora of young guard talent is that you speak off. The Blazers are currently playing with three forwards in their starting line-up, Beal would simply get Grants' minutes and Deni and Camara would remain the forwards.

And Sharpe rides the bench? That's the guy who needs 34-minutes per game at SG. Beal is not coming to Portland. No way he waives his no trade clause for Portland and no way Portland tries to acquire him.

How is what I wrote any different from the status quo? Grant, Deni or Camara are all in the starting lineup at the moment.

Beal plays Grants minutes in the starting line-up and Deni and Camara move to the forward spots.

Beal/ Sharpe in the starting line-up is also a possibility.

Getting two picks to swap Grant's contract for a shorter one seems like a pretty good deal to me.

Anyway, I don't want to further detail this thread. I only mentioned that similar concepts had been kicked around the Suns forum.

[OutsidetheNBA]

I've asked this before in the Random Thoughts thread and never gotten an answer --

If the Blazers negotiate a buyout with Beal, could he just agree to waive his player option year? And could that make sense for Beal?

Let's say the Blazers agree to pay him full salary over the next two years to go away. Is it possible Beal could make the $55m in his waived player option year over the next 2.5 years? Say the Pistons sign him for the rest of the season at $12m (possible) and then he signs a 2/$43m (also possible -- look at the contract Tobias just got). He gets to choose his destination and might even be able to work his way to a legit contender.

If that scenario is possible, then I could see a Beal-to-Blazers deal so long as Grant is going out. I can't imagine either Beal or the Blazers agree to a deal where Beal remains on the Blazers.

[Walton1one]

Beal is not waiving his no trade clause to go to POR

Now if he was re-routed to CHI or MIL? Then, maybe it could work

[Myth]

I've asked this before in the Random Thoughts thread and never gotten an answer --

If the Blazers negotiate a buyout with Beal, could he just agree to waive his player option year? And could that make sense for Beal?

Let's say the Blazers agree to pay him full salary over the next two years to go away. Is it possible Beal could make the $55m in his waived player option year over the next 2.5 years? Say the Pistons sign him for the rest of the season at $12m (possible) and then he signs a 2/$43m (also possible -- look at the contract Tobias just got). He gets to choose his destination and might even be able to work his way to a legit contender.

If that scenario is possible, then I could see a Beal-to-Blazers deal so long as Grant is going out. I can't imagine either Beal or the Blazers agree to a deal where Beal remains on the Blazers.

I would be more on board with this, but I have serious doubts that Beal waves the $55M. I think it is too risky. Also, he may prefer to stay on a contract with a no trade clause with tons of say in where he goes.

[DaVoiceMaster]

Portland gets rid of Grant's contract, which is longer than Beal's. They could add in another player if they're looking to add more salary to stay under the tax.

Two firsts is plenty of compensation considering that Grant's contract isn't much better than Beal's and Robert Williams has missed more games than he's played through out his career.

I'm also not sure where this plethora of young guard talent is that you speak off. The Blazers are currently playing with three forwards in their starting line-up, Beal would simply get Grants' minutes and Deni and Camara would remain the forwards.

And Sharpe rides the bench? That's the guy who needs 34-minutes per game at SG. Beal is not coming to Portland. No way he waives his no trade clause for Portland and no way Portland tries to acquire him.

How is what I wrote any different from the status quo? Grant, Deni or Camara are all in the starting lineup at the moment.

Beal plays Grants minutes in the starting line-up and Deni and Camara move to the forward spots.

Beal/ Sharpe in the starting line-up is also a possibility.

Getting two picks to swap Grant's contract for a shorter one seems like a pretty good deal to me.

Anyway, I don't want to further detail this thread. I only mentioned that similar concepts had been kicked around the Suns forum.

For starters. You didnt even mention Sharpe and said something about a lack of guards. Scoot and Sharpe are the future guards, Camara and Deni are the future forwards. Beal doesnt fit in. They all need to be the starters, getting the bulk of minutes, to develop, not splitting time with Simon's and Grant, let alone Beal. I don't know why Beal to Portland is even being discussed. He's never going to waive his trade clause to come to a rebuilding team.

[Scoot McGroot]

Fair point.

WAS looks like might be a few years away and IND has had some struggles.

Maybe. But we’re also talking enough years away that we have to assume bad teams now will be good teams then. Indy is young, and already successful. Right now, they’re 2nd is 50? Have to assume that with all their young 20’s players, they’ll continue to be pretty good going forward?

Unless a team has a young superstar locked up, I don’t think it’s safe to assume anything about 4 years from now.
And even then it’s just safer, not safe.

I’d do the protected Memphis ‘26 second and keep the ‘29 second.

Good thing Indy has Haliburton locked up for 5 years

[DiegoChara]

Maybe. But we’re also talking enough years away that we have to assume bad teams now will be good teams then. Indy is young, and already successful. Right now, they’re 2nd is 50? Have to assume that with all their young 20’s players, they’ll continue to be pretty good going forward?

Unless a team has a young superstar locked up, I don’t think it’s safe to assume anything about 4 years from now.
And even then it’s just safer, not safe.

I’d do the protected Memphis ‘26 second and keep the ‘29 second.

Good thing Indy has Haliburton locked up for 5 years

I said superstar.

[Scoot McGroot]

Unless a team has a young superstar locked up, I don’t think it’s safe to assume anything about 4 years from now.
And even then it’s just safer, not safe.

I’d do the protected Memphis ‘26 second and keep the ‘29 second.

Good thing Indy has Haliburton locked up for 5 years

I said superstar.

Right. Good thing!

[PDXKnight]

So i agree there's zero chance beal waives the ntc especially for a near certain shot to be a 6th man on a subpar team. Either that or it's someone playing out of position.

If somehow beal would waive his ntc in a firsts to absorb beal's contract sort of trade theres definitely something here. But getting past that ntc will be plenty of work and I'd guess it'd take a 3 team trade with Chicago where lavine goes to Portland and beal to Chicago but then it gets complicated