Kings move Fox but find replacement

[sackings916]

In a vacuum maybe. Not after saying he's leaving and is a FA in 26.

Fox never said he’s leaving and never demanded a trade. That’s the facts, not sure where you’re getting this from. Sacramento has leverage because if Fox waits and just leaves as a FA in 26 the max he can get is 4/229, he can only get 5/295 extending with Sac or with whatever team he gets traded to.

Do you not get how Shams works? His whole business model, like Woj before him, hinges on every single thing he says being gospel. If he leaks anything that isn't, he's boned.

So when Sham tweets that Fox has told them he's not extending and to start looking for a trade, because he has a destination in mind, you can take that to the bank. There hasn't even been a public denial.

Where did Shams tweet that Fox told the Kings he’s not extending and to look for a trade? Can’t find that tweet.

[HornetJail]

I like the idea but Trae is worth more than this. I think both star PGs are being undervalued here, but Trae moreso, as he was more valuable even before Fox requested a trade.

My spin on this:

ATL: Trae for all Hawks picks returned (25, 26 swap and 27), SAC 1st, Castle, Keldon
SAS: 2 ATL 1sts, ATL swap, Castle, Keldon for Fox
SAC: Fox, future 1st, lowered prot on existing 1st (top 4?) for Trae

[jayjaysee]

Maybe I am too low on the Hawks but they are essentially playing .500 basketball with Trae this year in a putrid eastern conference. I think the Kings roster is better than Hawks roster as of today.

They are also letting the team grow instead for making win now moves around Trae?

Dyson Daniels has the 2nd most minutes on the team.. kept Zacc starting… Made no win now moves and just wanted the kids to develop around Trae.

Maybe that’ll work out and the team will be better for it next season. But hard to judge the season when they made those choices.

Yeah I don't think anyone would be shocked if they ran it back, but are we pretending that Hawks weren't open to trading Trae Young last summer? Rumors were multiple teams were offering more for Dejounte then Trae. What has Trae done this year that is lifting his value? The Hawks got major improvement from Jalen Johnson this year, Dyson was way better than anyone expected, DeAndre Hunter is having a career year and the Hawks jumped in the lottery from 10 to #1 and they are still 22-25.

How many breaks need to go their way before it works out in Atlanta with Trae?

I am not pretending anything. Sort of pretending is holding a win now narrative to lower Trae’s value despite his team not trying to win now?

I just responded that it’s weird to list the record of a team that clearly choose the long road this summer. They traded an ill-fitting really great player for a really raw young player (and picks/Nance)..

Hunter is having a career year because he gets to come off bench.. Daniels has developed nicely in year 3 but win now teams would’ve wanted him as a third guard this season?

They should have been a bit more win now because Jalen and Trae are really great. They should’ve gotten a little aggressive and added talent and maybe now they wouldn’t be on a six game losing streak..

But the plan seemed to be hope Daniels and Zacc develop into pieces that fit really well between Trae and Jalen and see what 2026 or 2027 look like I guess. Really don’t like that plan, but seems like it is what they did?

That plan doesn’t support winning 50 games this year.

[JMAC3]

No, they're not more valuable to the point where you forgo further value. They don't replace the flexibility in regards to the Stepien rule, the ability to make trades using some of those extra picks, or the lost opportunity cost of winning next year when Johnson comes back and you've traded Trae away.

This deal is two or three firsts short. No one intentionally trades a star in their prime to be horrible.

I am on the side of the convo that getting their own picks back isn't a negative. I have seen that posted that is somehow makes it worse then them getting different 1sts. Which I disagree with. If anything, getting their own firsts back to me is slight + EV over random firsts. That is my point.

Maybe the offer is not enough for Trae but I also don't think teams are lining up to trade 4-5 firsts for a guy that hasn't been that impactful outside of one decent playoff run. He is a #2 option on offense who is one of the worst defenders in the league and his efg% is sub 50%.

Getting their picks back is fine. My issue isn't with them getting their picks back. My issue is that they should be getting much more than just their picks back. Trae Young is a star. As TC pointed out, he can lead your team on a deep playoff run. He can be your top scorer and you can succeed. Those guys aren't a dime a dozen. You're undervaluing him, big time

Which team is giving up 4-5 first round picks for Trae?

[One_and_Done]

Fox never said he’s leaving and never demanded a trade. That’s the facts, not sure where you’re getting this from. Sacramento has leverage because if Fox waits and just leaves as a FA in 26 the max he can get is 4/229, he can only get 5/295 extending with Sac or with whatever team he gets traded to.

Do you not get how Shams works? His whole business model, like Woj before him, hinges on every single thing he says being gospel. If he leaks anything that isn't, he's boned.

So when Sham tweets that Fox has told them he's not extending and to start looking for a trade, because he has a destination in mind, you can take that to the bank. There hasn't even been a public denial.

Where did Shams tweet that Fox told the Kings he’s not extending and to look for a trade? Can’t find that tweet.

You know what's even more telling? Fox's reply to it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/kings/comments/1id1qwk/fox_speaks_on_the_trade_rumors/
'Fox also didn’t rule [out] the team making the necessary improvements that could lead to him staying...

“I think anything’s possible in this league. Like I said, crazier things have happened,” he said.'

'Crazier things have happened', and not 'I want to be here'.

When asked if you have a preferred destination, it's also easy to say 'I love playing for the Kings, this is where I plan to retire, etc', and not whatever this is:

“For sure, I think everybody has a preferred destination,” Fox said. “I think everybody has a preferred destination if they’re not in the place that — or if they’re not going to be in the place where they are in the moment. I think it’s natural.”

[BBallFreak]

I am on the side of the convo that getting their own picks back isn't a negative. I have seen that posted that is somehow makes it worse then them getting different 1sts. Which I disagree with. If anything, getting their own firsts back to me is slight + EV over random firsts. That is my point.

Maybe the offer is not enough for Trae but I also don't think teams are lining up to trade 4-5 firsts for a guy that hasn't been that impactful outside of one decent playoff run. He is a #2 option on offense who is one of the worst defenders in the league and his efg% is sub 50%.

Getting their picks back is fine. My issue isn't with them getting their picks back. My issue is that they should be getting much more than just their picks back. Trae Young is a star. As TC pointed out, he can lead your team on a deep playoff run. He can be your top scorer and you can succeed. Those guys aren't a dime a dozen. You're undervaluing him, big time

Which team is giving up 4-5 first round picks for Trae?

I would, happily, if Miami had the picks. Are you kidding? He'd be incredible with Herro, Bam, and Ware

[One_and_Done]

Getting their picks back is fine. My issue isn't with them getting their picks back. My issue is that they should be getting much more than just their picks back. Trae Young is a star. As TC pointed out, he can lead your team on a deep playoff run. He can be your top scorer and you can succeed. Those guys aren't a dime a dozen. You're undervaluing him, big time

Which team is giving up 4-5 first round picks for Trae?

I would, happily, if Miami had the picks. Are you kidding? He'd be incredible with Herro, Bam, and Ware

He makes sense for a team trying to win 48 games. If you're trying to build the next dynasty under Wemby you probably don't want a starter with such a huge weakness on D.

[sackings916]

Do you not get how Shams works? His whole business model, like Woj before him, hinges on every single thing he says being gospel. If he leaks anything that isn't, he's boned.

So when Sham tweets that Fox has told them he's not extending and to start looking for a trade, because he has a destination in mind, you can take that to the bank. There hasn't even been a public denial.

Where did Shams tweet that Fox told the Kings he’s not extending and to look for a trade? Can’t find that tweet.

You know what's even more telling? Fox's reply to it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/kings/comments/1id1qwk/fox_speaks_on_the_trade_rumors/
'Fox also didn’t rule [out] the team making the necessary improvements that could lead to him staying...

“I think anything’s possible in this league. Like I said, crazier things have happened,” he said.'

'Crazier things have happened', and not 'I want to be here'.

When asked if you have a preferred destination, it's also easy to say 'I love playing for the Kings, this is where I plan to retire, etc', and not whatever this is:

“For sure, I think everybody has a preferred destination,” Fox said. “I think everybody has a preferred destination if they’re not in the place that — or if they’re not going to be in the place where they are in the moment. I think it’s natural.”

That’s not the same as what you said. Which was that “Fox told the Kings he’s leaving and to trade him.” Is he ecstatic where the Kings are? No, he’s disappointed the team hasnt made upgrades and he’s been asking for over a year now. But he’s not ruling out staying IF the team upgrades the roster and/or makes a playoff run.

[JMAC3]

Getting their picks back is fine. My issue isn't with them getting their picks back. My issue is that they should be getting much more than just their picks back. Trae Young is a star. As TC pointed out, he can lead your team on a deep playoff run. He can be your top scorer and you can succeed. Those guys aren't a dime a dozen. You're undervaluing him, big time

Which team is giving up 4-5 first round picks for Trae?

I would, happily, if Miami had the picks. Are you kidding? He'd be incredible with Herro, Bam, and Ware

I mean sure if you live in a fantasy world where you just imagine teams don't have the picks then sure.... lol

I bet Milwaukee and Lakers would give up imaginary picks they don't have too.

[jayu70]

Hawks sell a lot of Trae jerseys and he's signed long term. That stuff is important to their ownership.

For whatever reason Klutch is fine keeping Trae in ATL but they want Fox out of SAC. I doubt they would want Trae in SAC either.

Trae is no longer with Klutch. He only ended up there because Omar Wilkes of Octagan joined Klutch. Trae left and is now with CAA.

And yeah...this isn't a trade the Hawks would do for lots of reasons noted in previous posts.

[BBallFreak]

Which team is giving up 4-5 first round picks for Trae?

I would, happily, if Miami had the picks. Are you kidding? He'd be incredible with Herro, Bam, and Ware

I mean sure if you live in a fantasy world where you just imagine teams don't have the picks then sure.... lol

I bet Milwaukee and Lakers would give up imaginary picks they don't have too.

Keep moving the goal posts

[jayjaysee]

Which team is giving up 4-5 first round picks for Trae?

I would, happily, if Miami had the picks. Are you kidding? He'd be incredible with Herro, Bam, and Ware

I mean sure if you live in a fantasy world where you just imagine teams don't have the picks then sure.... lol

I bet Milwaukee and Lakers would give up imaginary picks they don't have too.

Miami has 2 firsts. JJJ is worth a good pick. Butler is worth a pick. Jovic worth a pick. Probably 4 firsts worth of value there when tossed together.

Lakers should give Dalton, Reaves and their two picks/swaps. Feels like it totals to what you asked for?

Ainge should make a big offer.

[bgrep14]

Trae for Fox and Lyles would be interesting. Spurs are kind of pointless here.

[SNPA]

Doug Christie would hate the OP. Young is the opposite of what Doug would want.

The Kings have tried everything over the years. None of it has worked. None of it was defense first focused. Just let Doug cook. Get him length and defense.

[dms269]

I don't believe the reports that the Hawks were "shopping Trae but the offers were bad". Teams might have had more interest in DJM, but it was probably due to Trae not necessarily being available. Ressler is not going to tank. He wants to make money and trading Trae kills any chance at that

The OP offer is too little for Atlanta. They would be without their 27 so a complete blow up wouldn't be realistic. Yes 25 and 27 might be lotto picks, but realistically they are probably around 10. Atlanta had been playing around. 500 ball, but injuries have killed them. Best case this year with everyone healthy was likely top 6 seed, but multiple players have missed significant time. Vessel isn't likely valued because Atlanta would be forcing to choose between him and Dyson, and it would probably be Dyson.

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[OxAndFox]

Do you not get how Shams works? His whole business model, like Woj before him, hinges on every single thing he says being gospel. If he leaks anything that isn't, he's boned.

So when Sham tweets that Fox has told them he's not extending and to start looking for a trade, because he has a destination in mind, you can take that to the bank. There hasn't even been a public denial.

Where did Shams tweet that Fox told the Kings he’s not extending and to look for a trade? Can’t find that tweet.

You know what's even more telling? Fox's reply to it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/kings/comments/1id1qwk/fox_speaks_on_the_trade_rumors/
'Fox also didn’t rule [out] the team making the necessary improvements that could lead to him staying...

“I think anything’s possible in this league. Like I said, crazier things have happened,” he said.'

'Crazier things have happened', and not 'I want to be here'.

When asked if you have a preferred destination, it's also easy to say 'I love playing for the Kings, this is where I plan to retire, etc', and not whatever this is:

“For sure, I think everybody has a preferred destination,” Fox said. “I think everybody has a preferred destination if they’re not in the place that — or if they’re not going to be in the place where they are in the moment. I think it’s natural.”

Kind of like his wife confirming to all that he has not requested a trade from the Kings. Just saying. Just like Fox hasn't said he wants a trade away from the Kings. Just like Klutch hasn't said this. I'm not naive to think he isn't prepared for anything, orthere are talks behind the scenes, as he mentions in the article regarding anything can happen, but it's a long bow to draw from those comments that Fox has told the Kings he won't extend, which is what YOU said. That's just you making things up. Simple as that. Nothing more, nothing less.

At the end of the day, the Kings sacked Mike Brown who was extremely close with Fox. Is it any wonder that RealGM came out in quick time and suggested Fox got Mike Brown fired? And was completely wrong. Like the absolute, reverse.
The only thing that is close at the moment is that Fox, after Brown's firing, is open to being moved or the Kings move forward now with putting a contender together. That's it. It's closer the FO feels to get there, it may just have to be him that is moved and have started looking around.

[JMAC3]

I don't believe the reports that the Hawks were "shopping Trae but the offers were bad". Teams might have had more interest in DJM, but it was probably due to Trae not necessarily being available. Ressler is not going to tank. He wants to make money and trading Trae kills any chance at that

The OP offer is too little for Atlanta. They would be without their 27 so a complete blow up wouldn't be realistic. Yes 25 and 27 might be lotto picks, but realistically they are probably around 10. Atlanta had been playing around. 500 ball, but injuries have killed them. Best case this year with everyone healthy was likely top 6 seed, but multiple players have missed significant time. Vessel isn't likely valued because Atlanta would be forcing to choose between him and Dyson, and it would probably be Dyson.

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Pretty much every major reporter was saying they were shopping him and the offers were bad. I don't know what Woj, Shams, others would gain by putting out false information about Trae.

The Hawks starters have been one of the healthier groups this year in the league, I don't think they are below .500 because 1 starter has missed 10 games.